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Pouring screed around door frame

  • 04-07-2011 1:01pm
    #1
    sas
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    I have to install additional insulation and pour a screed in my build.

    The screed will be poured after the house is scratch coated. This is non negotiable.

    We will be painting our door frames. I'm told it's good to install the frames prior to starting plastering in order to give a line for the plasterers to work to.

    So the order of things is
    1. Install frames:
    2. Scratch coat
    3. Screed.

    The bottom of the frames would therefore end up submerged somewhat in the screed when it's poured. Is there a risk of buckling in the frames if we are using softwood? I'm told it's safe to do but would like additional opinions.


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  • #2
    gman2k
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    Why not wrap the bottom of the frames in DPC you could trim off excess with a blade one the screed is set, or dip the bottom of the frames in liquid latex?


  • #3
    sas
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    I had been considering painting them all around. Some type of liquid coverage is likely to be more effectly than DPC I feel.


  • #4
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    sas wrote: »
    I have to install additional insulation and pour a screed in my build.

    The screed will be poured after the house is scratch coated. This is non negotiable.

    We will be painting our door frames. I'm told it's good to install the frames prior to starting plastering in order to give a line for the plasterers to work to.

    So the order of things is
    1. Install frames:
    2. Scratch coat
    3. Screed.

    The bottom of the frames would therefore end up submerged somewhat in the screed when it's poured. Is there a risk of buckling in the frames if we are using softwood? I'm told it's safe to do but would like additional opinions.

    Sorry, but I don't agree with fitting door frames prior to plastering.

    Fit plastering 'liners'. Essentially, WPB cut to frame width(s), and fixed into opes, and plaster up against. Too much damage WILL occur to frames, otherwise, in my experience.

    Then put in your screed.

    Then, your floor finishes (wood/tiles/etc).

    Finally fit your frames, cut to finish OVER your floor finishes. You can run your wood/tile/other floor finishes straight through. Infinately easier, faster, neater.

    I've got good pics at home I can dig out, to show what I mean.

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  • #5
    mickdw
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    Sorry, but I don't agree with fitting door frames prior to plastering.

    Fit plastering 'liners'. Essentially, WPB cut to frame width(s), and fixed into opes, and plaster up against. Too much damage WILL occur to frames, otherwise, in my experience.

    Then put in your screed.

    Then, your floor finishes (wood/tiles/etc).

    Finally fit your frames, cut to finish OVER your floor finishes. You can run your wood/tile/other floor finishes straight through. Infinately easier, faster, neater.

    I've got good pics at home I can dig out, to show what I mean.

    I would agree with all that. it also gives the option of prehung doors.

    When I have seen frames fitted prior to plastering, they are usually cut to exact length and fitted at correct height to leave bottom of frame at finished floor level.
    They will get damaged though with all the trades that are following fitting and also alot of plaster will need to be cleaned off the frame when finished if going that way unless you manage to protect them somehow.


  • #6
    sas
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    Yeah, I was afraid you guys would say that.

    I wanted to avoid the liners for cost purposes.

    As is par for the course on a self build, the budget isn't looking quite as realistic as I'd thought ;)

    Liners it is.

    Thank you.


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  • #7
    galwaytt
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    sas wrote: »
    Yeah, I was afraid you guys would say that.

    I wanted to avoid the liners for cost purposes.

    As is par for the course on a self build, the budget isn't looking quite as realistic as I'd thought ;)

    Liners it is.

    Thank you.

    Liners, cost ????? A lot less than cleaning /painting door frames, afterwards.

    I would estimate cost, per door, for liners, to be.....(materials only)... € 3.78

    You won't buy a tin of White Spirit for that !!!

    Liner solution is much cheaper.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #8
    sas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭sas


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Liners, cost ????? A lot less than cleaning /painting door frames, afterwards.

    I would estimate cost, per door, for liners, to be.....(materials only)... € 3.78

    You won't buy a tin of White Spirit for that !!!

    Liner solution is much cheaper.

    I was more concerned with the labour. A days labour is a days labour.

    It's all adding up. I can't fit the liners. I can clean\paint the frames.

    My evenings and weekends don't cost me money. That's my point.


  • #9
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    sas wrote: »
    I was more concerned with the labour. A days labour is a days labour.

    It's all adding up. I can't fit the liners. I can clean\paint the frames.

    My evenings and weekends don't cost me money. That's my point.

    Ah. Ok, I see.

    Mmm. The issue with not using liner's, quite apart from the above, is that frame's get exposed to humidity (swelling), physical damage (chunks knocked out of them, so ruining edges), not just dirt/staining. There will be a lot more labour involved (whether yours or someone else's), in remedying damaged frames.

    I know you say you can't fit liner's, but I think you're making the job more complicated than it really is: not questioning your abilities or anything, but would you be confident to drill the liner, and use screw & rawlplug (like for putting up a shelf) ? It really is that simple, and involves a level and tape measure. The liner's could all be pre-cut - no carpentry involved !!

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #10
    sas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭sas


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Ah. Ok, I see.

    Mmm. The issue with not using liner's, quite apart from the above, is that frame's get exposed to humidity (swelling), physical damage (chunks knocked out of them, so ruining edges), not just dirt/staining. There will be a lot more labour involved (whether yours or someone else's), in remedying damaged frames.

    I know you say you can't fit liner's, but I think you're making the job more complicated than it really is: not questioning your abilities or anything, but would you be confident to drill the liner, and use screw & rawlplug (like for putting up a shelf) ? It really is that simple, and involves a level and tape measure. The liner's could all be pre-cut - no carpentry involved !!

    I completely take your point.

    As regards my general DIY skills, I wouldn't risk it :)


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