The Pokemon General Discussion Thread

Fergus_

I didn't really see one of these so I thought I'd stick one in here >.<

I'm thinking of doing a Caterpie only playthrough of Yellow but I heard it was impossible because of Ghost type pokemon and Agatha of the Elite 4

Is this true?

popzmaster

You could always Struggle and heal constantly but I'd imagine Caterpie's BST would be too low, you could always give it a shot tho, and keep me posted!

TheChrisD

Not sure, really. Conflicting information from what I can see.

Struggle on Bulbapedia says that in Gen 2: "Struggle now inflicts normal damage to Steel-type Pokémon as well as Rock-type, and hits Ghost-type Pokémon even if the user has not previously used Foresight." That to me says that it used to not affect Ghost-types and did ineffective damage to Rock-types in Gen 1, but I'm not sure about that.


Actually, this pretty much confirms you can't do it. On the Normal-type page on BP:

Every Pokémon uses [Struggle] when unable to use regular moves, cannot miss, not affected by resistances or immunities (not the case in Gen 1), user loses 25% of maximum HP (in Gen 1-3, 50% recoil).

Combined with the fact that the CPU Pokémon don't ever run out of PP...

Buzzthebatgirl

The best way to find out is to play!

Viva lá

Urizen

Actually, while this thread is fresh, is Swinub released in Dream World yet? I want me a Thick Fat Mamoswine with Icicle Crash. It is proving brain hurty.

Mr.Saturn

Replaying SoulSilver on a long trip, caught an Unown for the ****z and the giggles, I'd be better off tapping the screen with a spoon.

chopperbyrne

The worst pokemon that can be used to complete RBY is Weedle as Poison Sting can hit Ghosts.

Technically Kakuna is probably worse because it has a lower speed stat.

TheChrisD

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Technically Kakuna is probably worse because it has a lower speed stat.

15 less Speed AND 10 less Attack

Mr.Saturn

Anybody forsee a Ruby/Sapphire remake on the horizon? I understand that they weren't as popular as R/B/Y/G/S/C, but they still went on, including Emerald, to sell around 20 million units, which isn't that far behind. Also, there's kind of a connectivity issue, considering getting your Gen 3 squads onto a Gen 5 cart is somewhat convoluted. I guess I really just want to have another jaunt around Hoenn.

Atavan-Halen

I'd say its kinda likely what with the newer DS systems not being able to connect to GBA games. Wouldn't hold my breath though. Sapphire is my favouritest game ever BTW so it would be nice to see an update

Angron

I'd definitely get a R/S/E remake, as long as it's not 3DS only.

Banjo

They should do the decent thing, make Gen 1-3 available via the 3DS eShop with added GTS and wireless trading support as well as a stand-alone free export application that let's you move 'mon from those games to the DS/3DS cart in the slot. They'd make a mint and their distribution overheads would be minimal.

TheChrisD

Yea, that's what I think will end up happening. They'll be brought back as downloadable games. While I think we'd all love a remake, I doubt it will happen since they still have some loose tie between Gen 3 and Gen 5 with the people who still have GBA slots.

Plus the advent of GTS and with the 'mon being made available through other games has kinda eliminated the need for even Gen 3.

Bear in mind the main reason FR/LG and HG/SS were made is because Gen 1-2 are isolated from the others since you can't go GBC to GBA.

Mr.Saturn

TheChrisD wrote: »

Bear in mind the main reason FR/LG and HG/SS were made is because Gen 1-2 are isolated from the others since you can't go GBC to GBA.

Yeah, weren't they also supposed to celerbate the anniversaries of said games? I mean, it'd be cheap enough to re-do Ruby and Sapphire, there's
not nearly as much design work to do as one would on a typical game, just an engine update, the Pokemon/Nintendo premium's there too and I think there might be a temptation to get something Poke-related onto the 3DS, just to make sure it's got a future.

It could work, I guess.

Atavan-Halen

So I'm kind of considering going for a full living dex on Black. I reckon it's achieveable enough, just getting legendaries should be the only problem. Any advice? :pac:

wobbles

Have a full living dex on diamond (bar the unobtainables). Still working through the white dex. Much more difficult than doing it on diamond as most pokemon seem to evolve at much higher levels than previous generations. Best of luck, its gonna be a long road to completling it

SamIAmNot

Be careful of catching too many mon like I did in my white game. Well not so much catching them as opposed to sending over nearly every pokémon from the previous games. I must have three if not four sets of legendary dogs

Buzzthebatgirl

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Anybody forsee a Ruby/Sapphire remake on the horizon? I understand that they weren't as popular as R/B/Y/G/S/C, but they still went on, including Emerald, to sell around 20 million units, which isn't that far behind. Also, there's kind of a connectivity issue, considering getting your Gen 3 squads onto a Gen 5 cart is somewhat convoluted. I guess I really just want to have another jaunt around Hoenn.

I wouldn't have imagined a remake but some of the new merchandise seems to indicate it:
Pokemon Time RSE
Starter Keychains/charms

gnfnrhead

I didn't want to make a new thread for something that might be answered in a few words.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Celebi_Egg_glitch

Has anyone done that and more importantly, did it work with no issues? The hardest part looks like getting the two level 57 Sneasel's needed. Nobody else seems to learn Beat Up and it isn't a TM.

Mr.Saturn

Apparently, there's a big announcement regarding Pokemon's future coming on the 8th of January. Granted, this news is skimmed from the end of a Black 2/White 2 trailer, and offers no hint as to whether it's game/movie/spin-off related, but hey, internet + reasons to be baselessly speculate most often equals fun times.

http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=193547

- info comes from the end of a Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 trailer
- details say next big news regarding Pokémon will be revealed on January 8th 2013
- no details on if the info is game related or something else having to do with Pokemon

Mark the day on your calendars, friends. Let's hope we don't end up disappointed! Thanks to VGAMER for the heads up.

Money seems to be on Ruby/Sapphire remakes, but if that's the case, they'd most likely be DS games, as I don't envision Ninty blowing the main-series' 3DS debut on a pair of remakes, and given the amount of dev time still involved, I don't see'em continuing DS support for that much longer.

It could also be a tease for Gen 6 for 2014, considering Nintendo tends to announce these things over a year in advance, and generation cycles tend to be 4 years.

Mostly likey, it's just a new movie or some such.

Angron

I'd be quite happy with a remake of Ruby/Sapphire, I'd actually been expecting them before the announcement of Black 2 and White 2.

Just Like Heaven

Ruby/Sapphire hopefully. 3ds has been out for 20 months now. Where's ma pogiez?

Mr.Saturn

I think there's definitely something Ruby/Sapphire related in the works, as I checking out Egoraptor's latest 'Did You Know' Pokemon vid, and the Bulbapedia article on B2/W2's beta, and there's data relating to Gen-3 items, not present in any Gen-4/early Gen-5 title, such as the Fame Checker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aftr_dWrht8

I'd link the Bulbapedia article, but Google's flashing me a malware warning, if anyone's got a decent anti-virus and is curious.

I'm honestly a little surprised if they go ahead with them, considering the original justification behind the remakes was that it opened up Pokemon that weren't available in current gens, due to the tech-gap, but that's been compensated for heavily with the mixings of Gen-4 and bits of Gen-5, and Gen-3, despite being a fave of mine, is considered to be the era in which a lot of the original followers of the franchise checked out, thus I'd not consider them prime candidates for a re-do, but I'll take it with joy if they do pop up.

gnfnrhead

Just did my first ever play through of Red with one single Pokemon Charmander too just to make it harder to begin with. Had a Charmeleon going into Brock and a level 52 Charizard by the time I got to Erika meaning I had very little trouble along the way.

Also had a female Nidoran that I evolved to Nidoqueen because obviously Charmander cant learn surf. I only picked Nidoran because I misread Bulbapedia and thought they could learn cut, surf and strength. Turns out they cant learn cut until later gen's. She never saw a trainer battle and was dumped into the PC when I got to the Pokemon league, along with Lapras whom I accidently got. I forgot who gave her to you Charmander was the only one to see competitive action.

Lance was the only person I had any issues with. Dragonite almost did me in before a Mega Punch KO'd him. Was PRAYING you got to use potions before going into the rival battle, as I couldnt remember if you did or if it just pushed you straight through. Thankfully I did and was able to dispose of him with seven hits, five one hit KO's

I now have a level 79 Charizard and no clue what to do next :pac:

gnfnrhead

Learn something new every day.

I always thought the most effective method of beating Brock in Yellow was with a Butterfree. It turns out Mankey + Low Kick = Awesome. Only found out because I forgot to put Butterfree at the top of the lift so decided to see how Mankey did when he popped out.

All the effort I used to put into Butterfree and he would often lose to Onix anyway....

Is their any more like that which I've been missing out on?
Misty: Bulbasaur/Pikachu
Surge: Geodude/Diglett/Mankey??
Erika: Charmander/Pidgey
Sabrina: Think I usually use a Haunter for her? Along with hope :pac:
Koga: Charmander
Blane: Squirtle
Giovanni: Squirtle/Bulbasaur

Or whatever their evolution is at the time.

Angron

Haunter was no good in RBY. Ghost couldn't hit psychic at all in those games even though it was supposed to, and its part poison typing meant it was boned.

Mr.Saturn

Trailer for Pokemon Movie 16: Mewtwo's Awakening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpn6nibaTSE

Badass-hero Mewtwo, f**k yeah.

IvySlayer

I just realised that Venonat looks like Butterfree. I looked even further and saw that Metapod looks like Venomoth.

This puts all my beliefs into question. I don't know who I am anymore.

gnfnrhead

Trying to watch all the episodes and movies in order but I'm having trouble finding out where the movies fit in. I know the first one follows on from The Battle of the Badge episode but after that the best I can find without spoilers is one movie per season. That isnt exactly helpful. I know the movies for the most part dont overlap into the TV show but I still want to watch them. When would be the best time to watch each? Start of the season, middle of the season, end of the season?

Phareon

Movies are generally released in the summer, and there's 15 of them I think, so end of the seasons, Japanese-wise, as far as I can tell

wobbles

Can honestly say, the only movie ive seen is the first one, and that was in cinema where you got a free pokemon card with your ticket.

Are they worth watching, or are the like the tv show.

Angron

Are you saying the TV show isn't worth watching?

looking_around

they're like an extra long tv show :P ..
Worth watching if you don't find it irritating. It being for kids and all s:

deathrider

Just discovered the "Whitehand" tale on youtube. I reckon I'll dig into that tomorrow.

gnfnrhead

looking_around wrote: »

they're like an extra long tv show :P ..
Worth watching if you don't find it irritating. It being for kids and all s:

The only thing I find irritating is Ash being a fcuking retard most of the time. How does he manage to dress himself, let alone keep himself alive? :pac: Also annoyed at how Pikachu can defeat rock Pokemon (like Golem in the 8th gym) with electric attacks. At least Brock's Onix got wet and Team Rocket's Rhydon got hit in the horn. Golem is just destroyed. :mad:

Watched the first movie yesterday and realised that Ash still only has five in his party. He never replaced Butterfree despite releasing it ages ago. He has Krabby and Tauros in the PC but ignores them. Bulabasuar stopped himself evolving, but Squirtle hasnt. Does that mean he is still less than level 16? How does he have eight badges? :pac:

Angron

The thing with Squirtle and not evolving is levels were never really included in the anime. I mean Ash's Charmander evolved twice in the space of 4 or so episodes, and it only evolved into Charizard so it could fly after an Aerodactyl. Sometimes it just won't make sense for the sake of advancing the story :P

The ground/electric thing did always annoy me though, but since around the Diamond and Pearl series in the anime, it's worked properly I believe.

wobbles

Angron wrote: »

Are you saying the TV show isn't worth watching?

Team rocket annoy me. They have wasted years trying to catch pikachu and hes not really that special. With all team rockets disposal behind them, how can they still not outsmart a 10 year old. Dont get me started on that stupid intro each time they show up.

gnfnrhead

wobbles wrote: »

Team rocket annoy me. They have wasted years trying to catch pikachu and hes not really that special. With all team rockets disposal behind them, how can they still not outsmart a 10 year old. Dont get me started on that stupid intro each time they show up.

They brought Togepi to Giovanni in one of the episodes I recently watched and he wasnt impressed. He wanted Pikachu because of it's strength, or else something super rare like Mewtwo. Pikachu would be easier.

I love the motto

looking_around

gnfnrhead wrote: »

The only thing I find irritating is Ash being a fcuking retard most of the time. How does he manage to dress himself, let alone keep himself alive? :pac: Also annoyed at how Pikachu can defeat rock Pokemon (like Golem in the 8th gym) with electric attacks. At least Brock's Onix got wet and Team Rocket's Rhydon got hit in the horn. Golem is just destroyed. :mad:

Watched the first movie yesterday and realised that Ash still only has five in his party. He never replaced Butterfree despite releasing it ages ago. He has Krabby and Tauros in the PC but ignores them. Bulabasuar stopped himself evolving, but Squirtle hasnt. Does that mean he is still less than level 16? How does he have eight badges? :pac:

Ash..my god..yeah..he doesn't seem to know anything! U_U. how does he ever win any battles?

As for the rock thing, I just thought his pikachu was special....it also explains why team rocket is always after him!.
(ming the newest series, rocket goes other pokes as well/& makes makes plans for others & seems less interested in pikachu.)

It bugs me when pikachu seems so strong and other times so weak! ugh ..

IvySlayer

I started watching pokemon again, I never watched anything past season 4 though.

Going through Season 1, there's so many episodes where nothing happens! Lost in a forest --> Team Rocket build a robot to capture Pikachu --> Battle --> Team Rocket blast off again --> Rinse and repeat

Coming up to Orange Islands...I hate Tracey :mad:

Charmeleon evolving into Charizard though, all time favourite moment

wobbles

Would love if someone took the time to edit out all the useless parts, and just have important bits to continue some kind of story and all the battles from each season. Might only be an hour long but what an hour....

gnfnrhead

Trying a Ralts solorun in Emerald and I think I'm fcuked at only the second trainer (first being May). He has a Poochyena. My Ralts only knows Growl and Confusion. Confusion doesnt affect Poochyena. Having checked Ralts move set, he only learns Psychic attacks! I've spent all my money on Potions and only have 1 left so wont be able to Struggle like I did to level six to learn Confusion. Level 2 Wurmple only gives 15 EXP so it'll take forever to get to a high enough level to be able to survive long enough to Struggle. Dont know how long I'll be able to stick it before starting with someone else.

Angron

Never actually done a solo run of a game before, I might try one with a Charizard.

gnfnrhead

Angron wrote: »

Never actually done a solo run of a game before, I might try one with a Charizard.

They are great once you get started. Can be a pain for the first bit depending on who you choose. I've done Charmander twice. Once in Red and again in Fire Red. Brock is tough unless you're already Charmeleon. Each time I finished with him over level 85. Just did a Cyndaquil run on Crystal and was about the same level by the end.

Went with Ralts this time because he only starts with Growl. Wanted a challenge. Once I got past the first part I flew along. Five badges now. Think I'll do a Nuzlocke run next time.

Angron

Yeah, Brock would be easy enough once you learn Metal claw in FR/LG. I might do a Nuzlocke of Diamond, Platinum, or Pearl soon enough, or maybe even Black or White. How'd you manage to get past the Poocheyna? :P

gnfnrhead

Struggle :pac:

Ran away from any wilds but then met another one in that cave where the Wingull is stolen. Had to struggle for that too! Have a level 44 Gardevoir now with Psychic, Confusion, Thief and Shock Wave so she is able to kick ass now. Purposely went back to murder a load of Poocheyna once I learned Thief :pac:

Angron

Ah, sweet sweet revenge :P

looking_around

Do a caterpie run..and don't evolve caterpie ..now that's a challenge :P

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Think I'll do a Nuzlocke run next time.

Nuzlocke is good fun.

Pllanning to do one in SoulSilver soon.

Angron

Starting a Nuzlocke of Diamond now, starting with a Turtwig.

gnfnrhead

Caterpie is fcuked against Ghost types. Literally no hope.

Considered a Magikarp one but didnt fancy having to struggle all the way to level 15 :pac:

Did two Nuzlocke attempts. One fully randomised, one normal. The randomised I hardly made it to Veridian Forest before my Electric/Fire Rhydon died. Hadnt trained anyone else up yet so the rest quickly followed. The normal one made it to Brock's Onix (Picked Charmander) before getting destroyed.

I'll be back to my Ralts solo run in Emerald and my Living Pokedex Challenge in Platinum tomorrow.

looking_around

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Caterpie is fcuked against Ghost types. Literally no hope.

Considered a Magikarp one but didnt fancy having to struggle all the way to level 15 :pac:

Did two Nuzlocke attempts. One fully randomised, one normal. The randomised I hardly made it to Veridian Forest before my Electric/Fire Rhydon died. Hadnt trained anyone else up yet so the rest quickly followed. The normal one made it to Brock's Onix (Picked Charmander) before getting destroyed.

I'll be back to my Ralts solo run in Emerald and my Living Pokedex Challenge in Platinum tomorrow.

God yeah magikarp struggle ...is a struggle!

Randomized nuzlocke?? take it thats on a rom with some kind of settings? o0
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Nuzlocke is good, but you have to be a careful..that's what I like about it. Also, the pokemon seem to be, like, "alive" when you go through one.