Should the sex offenders list be public?

7sr2z3fely84g5

Looking at some states in america,like new york,the website of sex offenders register is listed to the public,should ireland do the same?.

Tauriel

Yes. I think it is every womans and every parents right to protect themselves and their children.

who the fug

Ruby Curved Ax wrote: »

Looking at some states in america,like new york,the website of sex offenders register is listed to the public,should ireland do the same?.

Nope.

vicwatson

Yes.

Poll time ??

Biggins

Yes.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Yes, absolutely without a shadow of a doubt YES.

I want to know what rocks these monster's are hiding under, and their predatory nature mean's they'll lurk for years - fantasizing about their victims - before striking again, and again, and again if they're not caught and locked up for a very long time.

Did I say YES?..

Pyr0

We've all seen the stories of people being put on to the sexual offenders list in other countries for completely stupid reasons, should these people be subjected to possible "retribution" or gangs of people/whole communities harassing them?

ball

who the fug wrote: »

Nope.

Something to hide?

leeroybrown

Shur don't the church publish it for every parish...

arybvtcw0eolkf

Pyr0 wrote: »

We've all seen the stories of people being put on to the sexual offenders list in other countries for completely stupid reasons

No actually, we haven't ALL seen these stories - care to enlighten us as to what you'd consider to be a stupid sex offence?.

Morlar

Yes with bells on.

who the fug

So lads are ye going to all lead the lynch mob against someone in your own family, maybe do the castration with your mother pinking shears or would you prefer to hand them over to the state to deal with.

runawaybishop

Pyr0 wrote: »

We've all seen the stories of people being put on to the sexual offenders list in other countries for completely stupid reasons, should these people be subjected to possible "retribution" or gangs of people/whole communities harassing them?

what stupid reasons?

Yes to poll.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Davian Uptight Track-and-field wrote: »

No actually, we haven't ALL seen these stories - care to enlighten us as to what you'd consider to be a stupid sex offence?.

Think refers to america,teenage couples caught at it..

Tauriel

How many newspapers have revealed that child rapists are living close to schools without public knowledge.

Seachmall

Until we can guarantee a method that will prevent people from re-offending they are threats to society and society should be aware of them.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ruby Curved Ax wrote: »

Think refers to america,teenage couples caught at it..

Let the lad speak for himself.

MagicSean

No. It would serve absolutely no useful purpose. Just look at the Larry Murphy situation. He was "sighted" so many places after he got out and people all over the country thought he was stalking their towns.

But if someone is convcited of a serious sexual offence they should have to spend a mandatory period in a mental asylum receiving full time treatment and not be released until they are considered rehabilitated by a mental health expert. There should also be more resources put into monitoring them after they are released.

EDIT: I also believe in chemical castration for a certain period after release and actual castration for repeat offenders.

who the fug

runawaybishop wrote: »

what stupid reasons?

Yes to poll.

UK 16 year old boy looked at pictures of a 16 year old girl on the internet

Pyr0

Quick google does the job.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/a-young-man-struggles-with-the-sex-offender-label/

Just a snippet from the article.

Freeman pleaded guilty to fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct involving force or coercion and was sentenced to probation in September 2003, court records show. By pleading guilty to the misdemeanor charge, he admitted to having sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend, who was two years younger. In Michigan, the legal age of consent is 16.

studdlymurphy

Davian Uptight Track-and-field wrote: »

No actually, we haven't ALL seen these stories - care to enlighten us as to what you'd consider to be a stupid sex offence?.

In the US in some states urinating in public gets you put on the list. I think the list should be public as we all have the right to know who are neighbours are not for the sake of being nosy but to protect ourselves

Seachmall

who the fug wrote: »

UK 16 year old boy looked at pictures of a 16 year old girl on the internet

His life being ruined is a fault of the legal definition of a sex offender, not a fault of the registry being public.

who the fug

ball wrote: »

Something to hide?

Yes I keep having these libreal ideas , like mob justice is wrong but I would love the catering contract

lambox

less of the pen and more of the rope.

Sykk

No, 7, 31.82%

Sorry but what the hell? I'd have thought we'd all like to know if good oul' Joe is a sexual predator...

runawaybishop

who the fug wrote: »

UK 16 year old boy looked at pictures of a 16 year old girl on the internet

That's an issue with what is classed as a sex offense then - not really an issue with offenders being listed. Thanks for the example though

who the fug

Seachmall wrote: »

His life being ruined is a fault of the legal definition of a sex offender, not a fault of the registry being public.

Somebody asked for a stupid reason, I gave one

DJCR

On a serious note, definately, for security reasons.

OutlawPete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbd0GcWm8xE

Logical Fallacy

Part of me thinks yes, another part of me thinks in our alarmist society you would have people assuming there is only one "Mr. I Didntactuallytouchthosekids" in the world and you'd have a lot of problems caused for people with the same names, reputations and lives destroyed.

The concerned public is a ****ing idiot after all.

Degsy

Everybody knows the difference between a child molestor and some 15 year old riding his bird.

The same goes for people caught with kiddie porn on thier computers..THEY might argue they're not abusing anybody but they're still dirty fcucking perverts who get thier jollies from children.

If i had kids and there was some pervert living on my road i would like to know about it.

Tauriel

By not making the sex offenders list public you are protecting these sick excuses of human beings and increasing the chance of them reoffending

MagicSean

Degsy wrote: »

Everybody knows the difference between a child molestor and some 15 year old riding his bird.

The same goes for people caught with kiddie porn on thier computers..THEY might argue they're not abusing anybody but they're still dirty fcucking perverts who get thier jollies from children.

If i had kids and there was some pervert living on my road i would like to know about it.

Why? What would you do?

El Weirdo

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

The concerned public is a ****ing idiot after all.

Exactly.

deisedave

Davian Uptight Track-and-field wrote: »

No actually, we haven't ALL seen these stories - care to enlighten us as to what you'd consider to be a stupid sex offence?.

statutory rape where the male is 15 and the girl is 16 and the male gets charged, has happened:)

Seachmall

We can't guarantee a sex offender will change his ways. Attraction to minors isn't a decision they made, it's a psychological problem that needs to be dealt with and until we can guarantee they won't re-offend we need to know where they are.

deisedave wrote:

statutory rape where the male is 15 and the girl is 16 and the male gets charged, has happened

Problem with the legal definition of a sex offender, not with the registry.

Morlar

So long as they do not choose to live beside a primary school I am not seeing much of a problem. Neighbours he asks to babysit for may want to be able to confirm he's not on any list. Single women with young children who he starts a relationship with may also want to know he is not on any list. I thinkthere is a balance here and it should be shifted totally in the direction of rights of victims and potential victims to protect themselves and their children.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Seachmall wrote: »

We can't guarantee a sex offender will change his ways. Attraction to minors isn't a decision they made, it's a psychological problem that needs to be dealt with and until we can guarantee they won't re-offend we need to know where they are.

As i said,what if there was genuine remorse?..

Pyr0

Degsy wrote: »

Everybody knows the difference between a child molestor and some 15 year old riding his bird.

The same goes for people caught with kiddie porn on thier computers..THEY might argue they're not abusing anybody but they're still dirty fcucking perverts who get thier jollies from children.

If i had kids and there was some pervert living on my road i would like to know about it.

Lets say your 15 year old rode his bird and was put on the sexual offenders list, would you want his name being made public?

humanji

I'd only say yes if the way to get on the list was revised. As pointed out above, there's many people who are on these lists for silly reasons. I don't know the format of the lists, but I was under the impression that it's a list of names and no crimes. The crimes are only accessible by authorities.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Pyr0 wrote: »

Lets say your 15 year old rode his bird and was put on the sexual offenders list, would you want his name being made public?

This is my point too,if its a 15 year old people would think ah jaysus thats terrible,but in eyes of law it still would be a sex offender..

runawaybishop

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Why? What would you do?

advise they to not play doctor with him i guess.

Lord TSC

No.

I think the lists should be freely available to organisations or groups like schools, etc, whereby someone is coming into contact with kids. In cases like that, the schools should be able to vet someone with the Gardai and make sure they are not putting "bad" people into serious positions.

After that though, I think parents need to take some personal responsibility and just keep an eye on their own kids. If you're worried about your kids, don't let them wander off with strangers, into strangers houses. Strikes me there are some parents who are happy to kick their kids out the door as soon as they can walk, and then when something bad happens their little Jimmys, they kick up a fuss as if they were the best parents in the world.

Agree with the person who said offenders should get treatment but after that, after they have cleared that, they should not have to worry about being hounded out of whatever homes they take up, worry about being mobbed, etc. Police should keep eyes on them to make sure they aren't stalking schools, etc. Police should make sure they aren't allowed buy houses or work in jobs that puts them into contact with kids.

But that's the police's job, not the publics. All that would happen with lists being made public is that mobbings, murders, etc would become far more common place.

28064212

Why only sex offenders? Why not make all criminal convictions public knowledge? I'd like to know if there are any drunk drivers on my road, so I can make sure my children aren't in danger of being run over

deisedave

Seachmall wrote: »

We can't guarantee a sex offender will change his ways. Attraction to minors isn't a decision they made, it's a psychological problem that needs to be dealt with and until we can guarantee they won't re-offend we need to know where they are.

Problem with the legal definition of a sex offender, not with the registry.

At what point did I say it was a problem with the registry, Makikomi just asked for an example of a stupid sex offence and i gave him one;)

RayM

They should be immediately castrated upon release. Then they should be fried on the electric chair. Their bodies should then be placed before a firing squad, before being strung up and sent back to jail to rot forever. You just can't be too careful.

Seriously, for reasons that have already been mentioned, I think it would be crazy to release a list of sex offenders to the public. There are too many bloodthirsty idiots out there, who wouldn't think twice about taking the law into their own hands.

muboop1

Degsy wrote: »

Everybody knows the difference between a child molestor and some 15 year old riding his bird.

The same goes for people caught with kiddie porn on thier computers..THEY might argue they're not abusing anybody but they're still dirty fcucking perverts who get thier jollies from children.

If i had kids and there was some pervert living on my road i would like to know about it.

See this is the issue. When that teenager is 40 he may still be on the list. If so will the list say "on registrar for sleeping with someone a year his junior?"

If so then yes. If not then no I am not for it.

OR If there is a list for sex offenders, let the list say what crime they have been proven guilty of! That way it will at least make the random stupid ones clear and let those people go on living their lives.

Fremen

Davian Uptight Track-and-field wrote: »

No actually, we haven't ALL seen these stories - care to enlighten us as to what you'd consider to be a stupid sex offence?.

Underage kid takes sexy photo of himself and sends it to his underage girlfriend. This actually happened in the states. don't want to look for the link because I'm in work.

Seachmall

Ruby Curved Ax wrote: »

As i said,what if there was genuine remorse?..

It's not a "This guy isn't sorry for his actions" registry it's a "This guy has priors for sexual deviancy and may re-offend" registry.

They can be sorry all they want and they may never re-offend but while the chance is there I'd like to know about it.

philologos

mustang shelly wrote: »

Yes. I think it is every womans and every parents right to protect themselves and their children.

Who says all sex offenders are male?

hooradiation

humanji wrote: »

I'd only say yes if the way to get on the list was revised. As pointed out above, there's many people who are on these lists for silly reasons. I don't know the format of the lists, but I was under the impression that it's a list of names and no crimes. The crimes are only accessible by authorities.

That's pretty much it. Which highlights why it's such a fucking stupid idea to make this public.