Wexford v Dublin Leinster Football Final [*** Mod Note Post #1 & #104***]

will1977

Can Wexford get revenge after drawing against 14 man Dublin after loosing a 7 point lead ?

Can Dublin do what they did in 2008 and hammer Wexford ?

I think Wexford have improved significantly from last year and 2008 and believe Dublin have gone back slightly.

Wexfords undoing over the last few years were its midfield and dependence on Matty Forde.

Wexford now have 2 mobile ball winning midfield players which should have an advantage over Dublins midfield and also now have a free scoring forward line.

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castletownman

To be honest, I don't think Wexford's midfield are great ball winners for their height, and are a bit naive still to cope with a decent midfield, although Dublin's midfielders didn't look particularly brilliant last day out either. However, Wexford have a great chance, provided the whole playing Dublin in Croke Park factor doesn't over-awe them like it did in 2008.

corny

Definitely think there won't be a repeat of 08 but i still can't see a Wexford victory. Dublin to try and lay down a marker and win by 6.

legendary.xix

It'll be hard to look past Dublin. It'd be great to see a new team win though.

TheMilkyPirate

Words can't begin to describe how much i want us to win this game. The cockiness and general dis-regard been shown to wexford is unbelieveable and i just hope wexford go out sunday next and prove a lot of people wrong.

Reading a piece in the sunday world yesterday and they didn't even acknowledge the fact that dublin still had to play wexford in the final, Talking about it as if it was a foregone conclusion saing they will have learned from their matches against wexford and kildare and can start to look forward to the all-ireland championship proper.

I mean WTF? Were not minnows anymore we are a very good football team. We've scored 7-52 in our last three championship games without conceding a goal the opposition was nowhere near what were going to face sunday next but that's still a sensational return for any team. We brought dublin to extra time last year after losing colm morris through injury and we are bigger and a lot better this year.

People read too much into the leinster final in 08' Yeah we got our asses firmly handed to us by the dubs but it's clear that wasn't a true representation of our form, The occasion got to us. We went on to beat down and armagh on our way to an all-ireland semi-final against tyrone who we held to two points until late in the game. Meanwhile dublin had taken a good beating off tyrone in their quarter-final.

I'm not saying wexford are going to win next sunday maybe they will maybe they won't but people definitely need to start showing this team a lot more respect.

corny

baraca wrote: »

Words can't begin to describe how much i want us to win this game. The cockiness and general dis-regard been shown to wexford is unbelieveable and i just hope wexford go out sunday next and prove a lot of people wrong.

Reading a piece in the sunday world yesterday and they didn't even acknowledge the fact that dublin still had to play wexford in the final, Talking about it as if it was a foregone conclusion saing they will have learned from their matches against wexford and kildare and can start to look forward to the all-ireland championship proper.

I mean WTF? Were not minnows anymore we are a very good football team. We've scored 7-52 in our last three championship games without conceding a goal the opposition was nowhere near what were going to face sunday next but that's still a sensational return for any team. We brought dublin to extra time last year after losing colm morris through injury and we are bigger and a lot better this year.

People read too much into the leinster final in 08' Yeah we got our asses firmly handed to us by the dubs but it's clear that wasn't a true representation of our form, The occasion got to us. We went on to beat down and armagh on our way to an all-ireland semi-final against tyrone who we held to two points until late in the game. Meanwhile dublin had taken a good beating off tyrone in their quarter-final.

I'm not saying wexford are going to win next sunday maybe they will maybe they won't but people definitely need to start showing this team a lot more respect.

Just one thing for ye. The Sunday World don't represent 'people'. Their job is sell newspapers and it seems telling the largest market in the country they're great is one way of achieving this. The 'people' in said market would rather they didn't.

The Rooster

baraca wrote: »

Words can't begin to describe how much i want us to win this game. The cockiness and general dis-regard been shown to wexford is unbelieveable and i just hope wexford go out sunday next and prove a lot of people wrong.

Reading a piece in the sunday world yesterday and they didn't even acknowledge the fact that dublin still had to play wexford in the final, Talking about it as if it was a foregone conclusion saing they will have learned from their matches against wexford and kildare and can start to look forward to the all-ireland championship proper.

I mean WTF? Were not minnows anymore we are a very good football team.

Honest to jaysus. Someone buying the Sunday World gets upset by the tabloid journalism found inside it :rolleyes:

Of course everyone knows Wexford are a decent team. I'd rate them jnt 3rd in Leinster and certainly capable of beating Dublin on their day. Surprised though they didnt get out of Division 3 this year. What went wrong there?

Badabing

The hype machine around Wexford is on the up after their last 2 games, Shane Roche and Ciaran Lyng are playing great stuff and Colm Morris is defying his years. Wexford have a great chance i'm going for a Dublin win tho by 2-3.

bruschi

The Rooster wrote: »

Honest to jaysus. Someone buying the Sunday World gets upset by the tabloid journalism found inside it :rolleyes:

Of course everyone knows Wexford are a decent team. I'd rate them jnt 3rd in Leinster and certainly capable of beating Dublin on their day. Surprised though they didnt get out of Division 3 this year. What went wrong there?

obviously without getting the opinion of every Dublin person, its hard to say what everyone is thinking, but even on here, and over on other fora, it seems to be consensus that Dublin are hoping they get a good game from Wexford in preparation for their 3 week break to the quarter final. the result is not in question, and that Wexford have only beaten the worst teams in Leinster this year. the bookies have Dublin at a 6 point advantage.

to be honest, despite not understanding the rationale for giving such long odds (I got Wexford at 8/1 on Sunday afternoon, down to 5/1 now), or not understanding why Wexfords chances are being completley blown off, I am happy enough. The media are completley focusing on Dublin, and are predicting the 08 final all over again. never mind last years game. our team has changed significantly since 08, and tactics even more so.

In the league campaign, I wasnt expecting us to be like this. We played ok in some games, but poor in others. Promotion was there for us, but Ryan persisted in playing all his fringe players and kept trying them out, rather than ensuring wins to gurantee promotion. It was disappointing not to go up, as this is the third time for Wexford where we havent got promoted due to scoring differences.

So I think that has made the team realise they have to go out and make each shot count. Against Offaly and Westmeath, we were clinical in front of goal. Not many wides, and sensible shooting. The Carlow game was a load of toss, the players did enough to win, and the demeanour of them and the manager after was almost like losing the game.

I think we can win. Our midfield is good, and has good backup to it. Our forwards are excellent, and we dont rely on on or 2 players, but rather a whole unit. Brosnan got 6 against Offaly and 7 against Westmeath, Lyng got 1-7 against Offaly, 10 against Westmeath and Roche got 2-4 against Carlow. We have had 10 different scorers this year. its not often we have had such a spread.

Much has been made of our weak full back line, but it is really Wadding that was the issue. Molloy is playing very well, and he will pick up Bernard. As a unit, we defend ok, but need to close down attacks quicker. Probably not a cynical enough team, and only go out to play football, but at least its good to watch anyway.

will1977

I agree that a lot has been made of our weak full back line.
I dont think most people realise that Wadding had been absent through injury for most of the league campaign and his first proper game back was against Offaly.

I think he has shown steady improvment over the last 3 games and is niow back up to full match fitness which he will need against Brogan etc.

Molloy is probably one of the best full backs, great man marker and best reader of the game in the country this year and I think he will be given A Brogan to look after.

Our style of play has changed over the last 2-3 years beyond all recognition.
Gone are the days that they hand pass out of defence at a snails pace and then lack options once they get to midfield.

The pace of our game has improved hugely and quich long and short passes are capable of opening up any defence on their day.

Roll on Sunday week.

On another note, was in a North side Dublin pub after the game last Sunday and watched as a group of about 20 Dublin fans all in jerseys crowded around the telly watching the 2nd round qualifier draw. After it was over they thought that there was some mistake the fact Dublin had not been drawn out of the hat !!!!!!

dcr22B

will1977 wrote: »

On another note, was in a North side Dublin pub after the game last Sunday and watched as a group of about 20 Dublin fans all in jerseys crowded around the telly watching the 2nd round qualifier draw. After it was over they thought that there was some mistake the fact Dublin had not been drawn out of the hat !!!!!!

Your post was going well until that last point.

When are people going to get over the fact that every county has a bandwagon element who may not fully understand the full machinations of a Championship summer?

On the game itself, Wexford shouldn't have anywhere near the amount of joy in the forward line compared to their previous three games. The Dublin system should put paid to that but there is no doubt in my mind that this game will not be the cakewalk that the media and bookies would have you believe.

My tip is for Dublin to win by between 4-6 points.

average_runner

If wexford backs can stay tight on the Dublin forwards, then we have a great chance. Dublin forwards are poor under pressure except for Brogan.

Did you see the wides Dublin had, some were closer to the side line than the goal.

If our backs dont put pressure on them we will lose by 6 or more.

2008 Wexford were two points down at half time and then nerves got too us, we proved that by going on to the semi that year and losing less to Tyrone than Dublin.

Last year we threw away the match but then in the last min, the dublin player did a professional foul knowing he be sent off as on yellow already but it didnt matter as only 30 secs were left.



Look forward to the craic in the Red Parrot before hand with Dub fans, no matter what people say of ye, I find the majority of ye are great fans like every other county.

DARK-KNIGHT

Would love to see Wexford win this to prove to those that write them off as no hopers! I believe they will make a good account of themselves and although the teams they played to get there were not the highest in the province they still won every match convincingly!

Well done Wexford I'll be cheering for you as will 31 other counties just hope the ref is fair for you!!

hisholinessnb

I don't think many Dublin fans are writing off Wexford at all. What you read in a tabloid paper is to be taken as the tabloid trash it is.
But, given that Wexford didn't get out of division 3 and Dublin contested the division one final, you can hardly feign disgust when so many people predict a Dublin win.
I too think Dublin will win, but the notion that this somehow translates into taking it for granted that they will win is nonsense.

corny

average_runner wrote: »

If wexford backs can stay tight on the Dublin forwards, then we have a great chance. Dublin forwards are poor under pressure except for Brogan.

Did you see the wides Dublin had, some were closer to the side line than the goal.

Time to call a spade a spade here. Dublin were playing a side noted for their work rate in winning back the ball, in searing heat and with 14 men. Wexford were playing Carlow ffs.

You've a great chance if Dublin don't turn up. If they do you'll see a Division 3 side play a side that went unbeaten in Division 1 and has only been beaten by the best side in the country in the last year, both times by the narrowest margin. Bit of realism for ye.

wixfjord

I think that what someone above mentioned may be the crux of it. Simply put, Wexford aren't cynical enough, and are probably too open a team to really challenge.

We've amazing footballers, and play probably the best brand of football in the country, but a few more tough nuggets wouldn't go astray.

In saying that, if Lyng, Barry, Brosnan Roche et al get going, we'll have a fair go at Dublin on Sunday week. Lyng and Barry would arguably get on any team in the country, and the other two are brilliant on their day.

Really looking forward to it!

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corny wrote: »

Time to call a spade a spade here. Dublin were playing a side noted for their work rate in winning back the ball, in searing heat and with 14 men. Wexford were playing Carlow ffs.

You've a great chance if Dublin don't turn up. If they do you'll see a Division 3 side play a side that went unbeaten in Division 1 and has only been beaten by the best side in the country in the last year, both times by the narrowest margin. Bit of realism for ye.

Dose of realism for you. This isnt the league this is championship. By the way i know you might not have bothered noting but wexford played two other matches as well besides the Carlow game. They were pretty shocking against Carlow in periods yet still won by 14 points. Your not calling a spade a spade you are trying to translate league form into championship form for some reason.

corny

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Dose of realism for you. This isnt the league this is championship. By the way i know you might not have bothered noting but wexford played two other matches as well besides the Carlow game. They were pretty shocking against Carlow in periods yet still won by 14 points. Your not calling a spade a spade you are trying to translate league form into championship form for some reason.

For some reason!:rolleyes: I'm sure beating Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow were arduous tasks but personally i'd rather a 6 point win against the All Ireland champions and victory against Kerry in a very keenly contested game. I'm happy Wexford are coming to Croker looking to put the record straight from 08 but you want championship form? Ok. How about winning 5 of the last 6 Leinster Championships and recently beating the second best side in Leinster with 14 men.

The Dublin forwards may be poor under pressure, as it was put, certainly not as good as the marvelous Wexford forwards who put 4-12 on the tigerish Carlow defenders but they have very strong, consistent form in Leinster.

jack67

i really hope wexford push dublin all the way,can they win,absolutely anything can happen on the day,however i feel wexford will need everything to go right for them ,and dublin to have an off day (wouldnt be the first time)on form dublin should win ,i just hope its a great game and may the best team win.

castletownman

corny wrote: »

For some reason!:rolleyes: I'm sure beating Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow were arduous tasks but personally i'd rather a 6 point win against the All Ireland champions and victory against Kerry in a very keenly contested game. I'm happy Wexford are coming to Croker looking to put the record straight from 08 but you want championship form? Ok. How about winning 5 of the last 6 Leinster Championships and recently beating the second best side in Leinster with 14 men.QUOTE]

Not trying to start an arguement or anything, but that's a typical Dublin attitude. When Dublin steamrolled through Leinster in the last few years they played teams as bad in form as Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow were against us, there was nothing said. It's Dublin sure. But when Wexford beat the same teams, who lets face it are regarded as being at their level, their dismissed as having ONLY beaten poor teams. This Wexford team dragged themselves back after a particularly poor 2009 and a disappointing Leinster campaign last year by playing a refreshing brand of football, and rest my words will give Dublin a great rattle (like they did last year when only for a bit of thuggery from Ger Brennan on Colm Morris they would've have won)

dcr22B

castletownman wrote: »

(like they did last year when only for a bit of thuggery from Ger Brennan on Colm Morris they would've have won)

Come on you're like a broken record on that one.

Last year is history, this is the present. Do you think that Jason Ryan will use this "thuggery" as his motivation for the team on Sunday week? I'd doubt it.

castletownman

Yeah last year is history, but so is the league and championship form over the last year. Yet all I hear Dublin fans harp on about is how well they've played in the league and over the last year......

dcr22B

castletownman wrote: »

Yet all I hear Dublin fans harp on about is how well they've played in the league and over the last year......

You might want to read my first post on this thread as well as hisholinessnb's posts.

We have shown nothing but respect to Wexford in our posts thus far but we are well entitled to feel confident that we'll win out on the day.

corny

castletownman wrote: »

Not trying to start an arguement or anything, but that's a typical Dublin attitude. When Dublin steamrolled through Leinster in the last few years they played teams as bad in form as Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow were against us, there was nothing said. It's Dublin sure. But when Wexford beat the same teams, who lets face it are regarded as being at their level, their dismissed as having ONLY beaten poor teams. This Wexford team dragged themselves back after a particularly poor 2009 and a disappointing Leinster campaign last year by playing a refreshing brand of football, and rest my words will give Dublin a great rattle (like they did last year when only for a bit of thuggery from Ger Brennan on Colm Morris they would've have won)

Look. Dublin have beaten all comers for 6 years now in Leinster bar the transition period last year (Wexford and Meath) where new players were finding their feet in an alien defensive system. Wexford haven't. My response was to the notion that the Dublin forwards were poor under pressure and hence Wexford had a great chance if they put them under pressure. I simply don't agree with that. I think if Dublin apply themselves (i see no reason why they won't) they'll win. I'm sorry if that plays to your stereotype but if Dublin were playing Cork or Kerry and they played to form i'd say Dublin lose. No arrogance or any other bull**** here.

Dublin have lost once in 6 years, are 1 to 6 with the bookmakers (never met a stupid bookmaker) and i think a hard game against the second best team in Leinster will put them spot on. Compare that to Wexford who've been playing division 3 football and as yet are completely untested in the championship and i don't see how anyone can objectively say the victory is in Wexfords hands. Its not over confidence and like i said in my first post i expect Wexford to give a good account of themselves in a good game of football. Anyway heres hoping i'm wrong. The curse of the Leinster champions and a three week break will see the winner make a swift exit in the quarter final me thinks.

dcr22B

corny wrote: »

The curse of the Leinster champions and a three week break will see the winner make a swift exit in the quarter final me thinks.

I don't see it that way this time around.

The three week break (if we win) will serve to get our injured squad members back to full fitness hopefully.

hisholinessnb

castletownman wrote: »

Not trying to start an arguement or anything, but that's a typical Dublin attitude.

Ah come off it, you have taken the posts you want to see as a "typical Dublin attitude" to suit your agenda and call it that, while ignoring all the respectful posts from Dublin fans.

One might call it a "typical anti Dublin attititude" :rolleyes:

A bit of cop on is needed here.

corny

dcr22B wrote: »

I don't see it that way this time around.

The three week break (if we win) will serve to get our injured squad members back to full fitness hopefully.

Hopefully. I think if the winner, be it Wexford or Dublin, gets stiffed with Cork (have come through the qualifiers) they won't get away it. An easier draw and maybe. There's just no substitute substitute for hard games for me. Dublin proved that last year, the year before and the year before that (beating Tyrone and losing badly to Tyrone and Kerry)

looseygoosey

i'm a kildare man and looked at the wexford match and to be honest if Dublin show up on the day at all, we'll be looking at a hammering here.
Hard words i know, but if dublin really go in to win the game convincingly they will win by 15+

dats_right

baraca wrote: »

Words can't begin to describe how much i want us to win this game. The cockiness and general dis-regard been shown to wexford is unbelieveable and i just hope wexford go out sunday next and prove a lot of people wrong.

The teams are a million miles apart so I can't see it.

baraca wrote: »

Reading a piece in the sunday world yesterday and they didn't even acknowledge the fact that dublin still had to play wexford in the final, Talking about it as if it was a foregone conclusion saing they will have learned from their matches against wexford and kildare and can start to look forward to the all-ireland championship proper.

Fair point, that is disrespectful.

baraca wrote: »

I mean WTF? Were not minnows anymore we are a very good football team. We've scored 7-52 in our last three championship games without conceding a goal the opposition was nowhere near what were going to face sunday next but that's still a sensational return for any team. We brought dublin to extra time last year after losing colm morris through injury and we are bigger and a lot better this year.

I am afraid you are still minnows. Division 3 and beaten by 7 points by Tipperary is not the stuff of a decent team. Yes, you made a Leinster final but you are not even the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even 5th best team in the province. The reality is that you have done very well in a very weak part of the draw.

Dublin have moved on a lot since that game last year. We were narrowly beaten by Cork in AI S/F, a match we should have won, narrowly beaten in the League Final, again we should have won. We are easily at least the 3rd best team in the Country. The gulf between where both teams are is enormous, and whilst I agree you should always respect your opposition, the reality is that it would be the upset of the century if Wexford beat the Dubs.

baraca wrote: »

People read too much into the leinster final in 08' Yeah we got our asses firmly handed to us by the dubs but it's clear that wasn't a true representation of our form, The occasion got to us. We went on to beat down and armagh on our way to an all-ireland semi-final against tyrone who we held to two points until late in the game. Meanwhile dublin had taken a good beating off tyrone in their quarter-final.

That's 3 years ago, purely historic now. But me thinks it far more likely to be closer to the scoreline in 2008 then last year's.

baraca wrote: »

I'm not saying wexford are going to win next sunday maybe they will maybe they won't but people definitely need to start showing this team a lot more respect.

Respect is earned and you don't get it in Division 3 or without winning silverware. You haven't won Leinster since 1945 or won a minor since 1969, and whilst you did win your first u-21 this year, that sort of record really is truly the stuff of minnows. So I would respectfully suggest that rather than moan about the lack of respect your team are shown that you look at the reasons why this might be the case.

Het-Field

hisholinessnb wrote: »

Ah come off it, you have taken the posts you want to see as a "typical Dublin attitude" to suit your agenda and call it that, while ignoring all the respectful posts from Dublin fans.

One might call it a "typical anti Dublin attititude" :rolleyes:

A bit of cop on is needed here.

Ultimately, I believe a number of the Wexford posters on this board are citing non-existent hype, and a non-existent lack of respect. Most Dublin GAA fans will respect the men from Wexford, and will remember last year's contest.

The 2008 tie is irrelevant. Most Dublin fans accept that. In 2008 we were a hype-machine, and it was almost taken as gospel, in the capital, that we were on our way to Sam. In the intervening three years, we have suffered heavy Championship losses to Tyrone, Kerry and Meath. The squad has ungone a massive reconstruction, and the bulk of the team which faced Wexford in 2008 is no longer in the panel. Equally, the management team which was responsible for Dublin's Leinster Final Victory in 2008 is long gone.. I have not spoken to any Dublin fan who would view the 2008 game as more relevant than the 2010 tie, which is fresh in the Dub's mindset, and was contributed to by many of Dublin's current panelists. Dublin are far more self-depricating than they once were, and afford due respect to each and every team they face.

It is true that Wexford almost beat Dublin in 2010. However, it should also be noted that Dublin turned up for the last 10 mins of the game, and ultimately won it with relative ease in extra time. This was with a team which contained a large number of debutantes, sprung a number of debutantes from the bench, and contained a number of players who had been redeployed from positions which they had become accustomed to in the past. It was an oddball situation, and Wexford will be expected to face a similar Dublin team, with a years experience under its belt. Although the 2010 game is a more useful yardstick for next Sunday's game, it is also a game which is of little use when considering the tie, as much of the landscape has changed.

I will readily admit that I believe Dublin should be favourites. Between the League Campaign, and the hard fought victory over Kildare, it would be impossible to view them as underdogs. However, that should not be seen as "disrespectful" to Wexford.

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dats_right wrote: »

The teams are a million miles apart so I can't see it.



Fair point, that is disrespectful.



I am afraid you are still minnows. Division 3 and beaten by 7 points by Tipperary is not the stuff of a decent team. Yes, you made a Leinster final but you are not even the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even 5th best team in the province. The reality is that you have done very well in a very weak part of the draw.

Dublin have moved on a lot since that game last year. We were narrowly beaten by Cork in AI S/F, a match we should have won, narrowly beaten in the League Final, again we should have won. We are easily at least the 3rd best team in the Country. The gulf between where both teams are is enormous, and whilst I agree you should always respect your opposition, the reality is that it would be the upset of the century if Wexford beat the Dubs.



That's 3 years ago, purely historic now. But me thinks it far more likely to be closer to the scoreline in 2008 then last year's.



Respect is earned and you don't get it in Division 3 or without winning silverware. You haven't won Leinster since 1945 or won a minor since 1969, and whilst you did win your first u-21 this year, that sort of record really is truly the stuff of minnows. So I would respectfully suggest that rather than moan about the lack of respect your team are shown that you look at the reasons why this might be the case.

Alot of shoulda woulda coulda in there. Looking at the games leading up to this years final ye have been tested once by a kildare team who arent exactly strong in the forward line. Johnny doyle is sorely missed in there.
I acknowledge that wexford havent come up against a top class team. But they hammered two teams that were in division 3 with them and were expected to beat them( i know offaly were heavily tipped before the game). So just because wexford were in division 3 doesnt mean that they are the same level of some of the teams in there.

Now if dublin are the 3rd best team in the country as you say I would expect them to have a better midfield. With cluxton avoiding kicking out more than a few yards i presume that management think its not great either. So if wexford arent in the top 5 in leinster, who do you think is in the top five?

MickShamrock

I think Dublin will win it handily enough, to be honest.

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Het-Field wrote: »

Ultimately, I believe a number of the Wexford posters on this board are citing non-existent hype, and a non-existent lack of respect. Most Dublin GAA fans will respect the men from Wexford, and will remember last year's contest.

The 2008 tie is irrelevant. Most Dublin fans accept that. In 2008 we were a hype-machine, and it was almost taken as gospel, in the capital, that we were on our way to Sam. In the intervening three years, we have suffered heavy Championship losses to Tyrone, Kerry and Meath. The squad has ungone a massive reconstruction, and the bulk of the team which faced Wexford in 2008 is no longer in the panel. Equally, the management team which was responsible for Dublin's Leinster Final Victory in 2008 is long gone.. I have not spoken to any Dublin fan who would view the 2008 game as more relevant than the 2010 tie, which is fresh in the Dub's mindset, and was contributed to by many of Dublin's current panelists. Dublin are far more self-depricating than they once were, and afford due respect to each and every team they face.

It is true that Wexford almost beat Dublin in 2010. However, it should also be noted that Dublin turned up for the last 10 mins of the game, and ultimately won it with relative ease in extra time. This was with a team which contained a large number of debutantes, sprung a number of debutantes from the bench, and contained a number of players who had been redeployed from positions which they had become accustomed to in the past. It was an oddball situation, and Wexford will be expected to face a similar Dublin team, with a years experience under its belt. Although the 2010 game is a more useful yardstick for next Sunday's game, it is also a game which is of little use when considering the tie, as much of the landscape has changed.

I will readily admit that I believe Dublin should be favourites. Between the League Campaign, and the hard fought victory over Kildare, it would be impossible to view them as underdogs. However, that should not be seen as "disrespectful" to Wexford.

Good post and I agree that previous ties have very little relevance to this one. I have to say that dublin are favourites and rightly so but to be honest this wexford team has improved dramatically and I think this will be a close game.

corny

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Alot of shoulda woulda coulda in there. Looking at the games leading up to this years final ye have been tested once by a kildare team who arent exactly strong in the forward line. Johnny doyle is sorely missed in there.
I acknowledge that wexford havent come up against a top class team. But they hammered two teams that were in division 3 with them and were expected to beat them( i know offaly were heavily tipped before the game). So just because wexford were in division 3 doesnt mean that they are the same level of some of the teams in there.

Now if dublin are the 3rd best team in the country as you say I would expect them to have a better midfield. With cluxton avoiding kicking out more than a few yards i presume that management think its not great either. So if wexford arent in the top 5 in leinster, who do you think is in the top five?

That just doesn't make sense. You make reference to Dublin only being tested once as if its to their detriment and then concede Wexford haven't been tested at all. Are you making the point Wexford lack match sharpness? Surely not.

Take the Kildare and Wexford performances from last week and there is no comparison. Kildare, poor forwards and all:rolleyes:, (i love the constant undertone in this thread of Wexford having the best forward line in the country btw) would mop the floor with Wexford. Dublin beat them with 14 men in a hard fought game.

One more thing, the bit highlighted. Actually it does mean they are the same level. If they were at higher level they'd be in a higher division.

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corny wrote: »

That just doesn't make sense. You make reference to Dublin only being tested once as if its to their detriment and then concede Wexford haven't been tested at all. Are you making the point Wexford lack match sharpness? Surely not.

Take the Kildare and Wexford performances from last week and there is no comparison. Kildare, poor forwards and all:rolleyes:, (i love the constant undertone in this thread of Wexford having the best forward line in the country btw) would mop the floor with Wexford. Dublin beat them with 14 men in a hard fought game.

One more thing, the bit highlighted. Actually it does mean they are the same level. If they were at higher level they'd be in a higher division.

No im not making the point that wexford are lacking match sharpness that would be you in your post above. I made the point that wexford havent come up against a top class side so havent been tested to their limit. Kildare forwards are poor and their own fans have admitted this. If you cant see well.... Im not saying Kildare are a poor team if that is what you are insinuating. As for wexfords forwards well i didnt mention them but there does seem to be a good large spread of scores between most of their forward line unlike kildares. Mop the floor? Ya sure:rolleyes:

They didnt go up to division 2 this year but that doesnt mean that they are ****e. They actaully blooded alot of new players during the league so the team now if very different. I would say the league is probably a time for most teams to do that. I mean like monaghan who are a division one team(=good on your logic) were hammered by offaly (=bad on your logic) in the qualifiers. Down who finished fourth in division 1 were almost humbled by Clare who were nearly bottom of division 4. I could have swore this thread was about a leinster championship game though not about the quality of the league

DARK-KNIGHT

corny wrote: »

That just doesn't make sense. You make reference to Dublin only being tested once as if its to their detriment and then concede Wexford haven't been tested at all. Are you making the point Wexford lack match sharpness? Surely not.

Take the Kildare and Wexford performances from last week and there is no comparison. Kildare, poor forwards and all:rolleyes:, (i love the constant undertone in this thread of Wexford having the best forward line in the country btw) would mop the floor with Wexford. Dublin beat them with 14 men in a hard fought game.

One more thing, the bit highlighted. Actually it does mean they are the same level. If they were at higher level they'd be in a higher division.

still coming back to kildare?? the dubs are not all ireland contenders get used to that fact kerry will eat them for breakfast. and the lillies given another shot hopefully will beat you as your just all hype nothing else imo

will1977

dats_right wrote: »

The teams are a million miles apart so I can't see it.



Fair point, that is disrespectful.



I am afraid you are still minnows. Division 3 and beaten by 7 points by Tipperary is not the stuff of a decent team. Yes, you made a Leinster final but you are not even the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even 5th best team in the province. The reality is that you have done very well in a very weak part of the draw.

Dublin have moved on a lot since that game last year. We were narrowly beaten by Cork in AI S/F, a match we should have won, narrowly beaten in the League Final, again we should have won. We are easily at least the 3rd best team in the Country. The gulf between where both teams are is enormous, and whilst I agree you should always respect your opposition, the reality is that it would be the upset of the century if Wexford beat the Dubs.



That's 3 years ago, purely historic now. But me thinks it far more likely to be closer to the scoreline in 2008 then last year's.



Respect is earned and you don't get it in Division 3 or without winning silverware. You haven't won Leinster since 1945 or won a minor since 1969, and whilst you did win your first u-21 this year, that sort of record really is truly the stuff of minnows. So I would respectfully suggest that rather than moan about the lack of respect your team are shown that you look at the reasons why this might be the case.

Would you like to tell us what 5 teams in Leinster you would rate higher than Wexford at the moment !?

corny

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

still coming back to kildare?? the dubs are not all ireland contenders get used to that fact kerry will eat them for breakfast. and the lillies given another shot hopefully will beat you as your just all hype nothing else imo

Divorce Referendum made reference to Kildares poor forwards. I, through the sarcastic smiley, was actually defending Kildare. I think they've decent forwards and if i'm not mistaken as a unit they were top scorers in last years championship. Doesn't matter. Through bitter eyes you'll see exactly what you want to see.

The Rooster

dcr22B wrote: »

I don't see it that way this time around.

The three week break (if we win) will serve to get our injured squad members back to full fitness hopefully.

Agreed

2 week break to this game and 3 week break to the next one (or 2 if we lose) is perfect.

If we a lose a quarter-final this year, it'll be nothing to do with too much rest. A number of our players (not those carrying any sort of an injury of course) played a club league game last Wednesday. And if we do beat Wexford I'm sure Gilroy will allow them play in a club game the week after.

Provincial winners being at a disadvantage is miles overplayed IMO (though if it happens to us this year, we won't play that down as it'll be useful to calm the hype) but managers are bound to cop on that keeping their players wrapped in cotton wool after winning a provincial title isnt good preparation.

TheMilkyPirate

dats_right wrote: »

Yes, you made a Leinster final but you are not even the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even 5th best team in the province.

Laughable.

Dublin and kildare are ahead of us, Also meath that puts us fourth. Don't try and tell me louth, laois or offaly are better teams than wexford.

dats_right

baraca wrote: »

Laughable.

Dublin and kildare are ahead of us, Also meath that puts us fourth. Don't try and tell me louth, laois or offaly are better teams than wexford.

Laois finished 2nd in Division 2 and beat some good teams this year. They beat Donegal, Derry, Meath for example and were only beaten by a point in the Div 2 final. They are now a division 1 team. Also they have actually won a Leinster and have appeared in 3 other final in the past decade and have appeared in 3 other finals. So yes, I most certainly am saying Laois are better than Wexford.

On this year's championship you could certainly say that you are ahead of Louth and Westmeath, but they are Division 2 teams. Westmeath have also won a Leinster in the past decade and been very competitive in Div 2 & 1 most years. Louth are nearer your level alright but overall I would just about have them above Wexford at the moment.

So that's:
1. Dublin.
2. Kildare.
3. Meath.
4. Laois.
5. Westmeath.
6. Louth.

Wexford, Offaly and Carlow generally not much between them. They are the sort of 3rd tier teams. Mediocre Division 3/4 teams.

Don't get me wrong wexford have had a few decent results this year, but I wouldn't run away with myself if I were you. On form you would have to say that Dublin should win by a stroll perhaps 8-10 points.

blackbelt

I disagree that Wexford are 6th in Leinster but you'd have a fine argument debating whether they are 4th or 5th anyway.Dublin and Kildare are the cream of the crop in Leinster while Meath are dangerous when they click.So that leaves Laois and Wexford.

I'd certainly rate Wexford ahead of Laois when it comes to championship football and if they were to meet in Croke Park.I think Wexford have the better forwards for sure but midfield is a concern for Wexford.I think Wexford are a better team that what they produce in the early stages of the year.

I'd have to say Dublin will win this game by 6 or 7 points if they can play their brand of football and not go down to 14 men.

bruschi

dats_right wrote: »

Laois finished 2nd in Division 2 and beat some good teams this year. They beat Donegal, Derry, Meath for example and were only beaten by a point in the Div 2 final. They are now a division 1 team. Also they have actually won a Leinster and have appeared in 3 other final in the past decade and have appeared in 3 other finals. So yes, I most certainly am saying Laois are better than Wexford.

On this year's championship you could certainly say that you are ahead of Louth and Westmeath, but they are Division 2 teams. Westmeath have also won a Leinster in the past decade and been very competitive in Div 2 & 1 most years. Louth are nearer your level alright but overall I would just about have them above Wexford at the moment.

So that's:
1. Dublin.
2. Kildare.
3. Meath.
4. Laois.
5. Westmeath.
6. Louth.

Wexford, Offaly and Carlow generally not much between them. They are the sort of 3rd tier teams. Mediocre Division 3/4 teams.

Don't get me wrong wexford have had a few decent results this year, but I wouldn't run away with myself if I were you. On form you would have to say that Dublin should win by a stroll perhaps 8-10 points.

sorry, just to be clear, you rate a team that Wexford beat by 12 points as being better than them?

in any case, rankings are a pointless exercise. all that matters is who wins the silverware at the end of a championship.

some good points on here, and as the Dublin lads say, they are favorites and rightly so. I just dont agree it will be as comfortable as some think, or that it will be a stroll for Dublin. wexford played a very different team and tactics for the league, and some players who played during it arent near the team now. I wouldnt go on league form at all for championship, just ask Dublin and Kilkenny what the league results mean. but its all opinions anyway sure and a bit of craic.

as long as it is a decent game and no one throws the ball into the goal at the end to win it it should be ok!

Divorce Referendum

dats_right wrote: »

Laois finished 2nd in Division 2 and beat some good teams this year. They beat Donegal, Derry, Meath for example and were only beaten by a point in the Div 2 final. They are now a division 1 team. Also they have actually won a Leinster and have appeared in 3 other final in the past decade and have appeared in 3 other finals. So yes, I most certainly am saying Laois are better than Wexford.

On this year's championship you could certainly say that you are ahead of Louth and Westmeath, but they are Division 2 teams. Westmeath have also won a Leinster in the past decade and been very competitive in Div 2 & 1 most years. Louth are nearer your level alright but overall I would just about have them above Wexford at the moment.

So that's:
1. Dublin.
2. Kildare.
3. Meath.
4. Laois.
5. Westmeath.
6. Louth.

Wexford, Offaly and Carlow generally not much between them. They are the sort of 3rd tier teams. Mediocre Division 3/4 teams.

So what if Louth and Westmeath are division 2 teams doesnt mean they are better than wexford. Its laughable that you didnt realise that wexford beat westmeath in the league as well and westmeath were at home. I have shown in another post that the basis of ascertaining a teams quality by their division in the league is a load of bollox. You only had to watch the westmeath wexford game to see how far ahead of them wexford are. As for Louth well I dont know how Carlow beat them if they are a tier below them in quality:rolleyes:

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corny wrote: »

Divorce Referendum made reference to Kildares poor forwards. I, through the sarcastic smiley, was actually defending Kildare. I think they've decent forwards and if i'm not mistaken as a unit they were top scorers in last years championship. Doesn't matter. Through bitter eyes you'll see exactly what you want to see.

Yes any team that has 19 wides against meath and 17 against wicklow is defintely full of accurate forwards. As far as i know this isnt last years championship we are talking about here:rolleyes:

corny

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

Yes any team that has 19 wides against meath and 17 against wicklow is defintely full of accurate forwards. As far as i know this isnt last years championship we are talking about here:rolleyes:

Back up. I didn't say they were world beaters. I simply put you straight by saying they are not poor. James Kavanagh (was unlucky not to get All Star) and Eamonn Callaghan (4 points from play against Meath, a fine 1-something against Dublin) are not poor forwards and even though you conveniently glossed over the fact, with your much loved sarcasm smiley, poor forwards don't rack up scores to make them top scorers in any Championship.

The Rooster

I'm hearing that Ross O'Carroll, who had left the panel to go back to Crokes to try and get himself fit, has now rejoined the panel.

Michael Dara Macauley the only panelist officially ruled out for Sunday. Philly McMahon still rated very doubtful though. Cian O'Sullivan is back fit.

Gilroy has tended to name his teams on Friday mornings this year, but supposedly he'll name it earlier this time around, maybe Wednesday.

will1977

Anyone know how Bocky Doyles injury is ?
Looked like his shoulder went the last day. Will he be fit to take his place on the bench ??

Morrisseeee

I hope it's an entertaining/enjoyable/high scoring game. I can Dublin getting off to a good start but Wexford have finished games off well this year and if Dublin go-to-sleep at any stage, they might regret it !!

Wendell Gee

It's important to look at wexfrod's Championship record in recent years when evaluating them.
2008 beat Meath Laois, hammered by Dublin, beat Down Armagh lost in SF to Tyrone who won All-Ireland
2009 Lost to Kildare (badly), beaten by Roscommon in qualifiers in replay -team were off colour all year, preparation fell down, some key players Wallace and Foagarty in particular over the hill- matty suffering chronic injury a shadow
2010 Lost to Dublin AET (should have won in normal time) beat Galway in galway befoe losing to Cork in low scoring game. Cork went on to win the All-Ireland
In short, Wexford are a very experienced team, some of whom have played in a league final, almost all played in the 2008 campaign. They have, with the exception of a disappointing 2009 and the blowout in the 08 Leinster Final, been competitive against the best teams in the country. Their weaknesses are at midfield, (improved this year) can be porous up the middle, (expect Bradley to play around the 6 position at times) and in the full back line, where Molloy, who is quality, has made a huge difference.
They will be ready to have a go, and after last last year will have no fear of Dublin. As long as they don't overdo the short handpassing in defence, especially up the middle, it will be close enough.
Are Dublin favourites? Of course they are. But are Wexford worthy challengers? Yes. They underachieved in Division 3 for 2 seasons now, and should be Div 2 every year, at least.
In terms of ranking in Leinster, there are half a doxen teams who are capable of beating each other, then Kildare, then Dublin, who are clear of the pack, but can be fragile in tight finishes. Meath are back in the pack, and I would fancy Wexford to beat them most days.
In relation to Dublin, one poster said they should have beaten Cork in last years Sf and the League final. That might be true, but there are a litany of close games Dublin should or could have won in the last 10 years, and lost. It's easier to count the close ones they won- last years Tyrone and Wexfrod games, Longford away, Lienster finals vs Kildare. Until Dublin win an All-ireland, the question marks remain, just like with Cork until last September.

will1977

Wendell Gee wrote: »

It's important to look at wexfrod's Championship record in recent years when evaluating them.
2008 beat Meath Laois, hammered by Dublin, beat Down Armagh lost in SF to Tyrone who won All-Ireland
2009 Lost to Kildare (badly), beaten by Roscommon in qualifiers in replay -team were off colour all year, preparation fell down, some key players Wallace and Foagarty in particular over the hill- matty suffering chronic injury a shadow
2010 Lost to Dublin AET (should have won in normal time) beat Galway in galway befoe losing to Cork in low scoring game. Cork went on to win the All-Ireland
In short, Wexford are a very experienced team, some of whom have played in a league final, almost all played in the 2008 campaign. They have, with the exception of a disappointing 2009 and the blowout in the 08 Leinster Final, been competitive against the best teams in the country. Their weaknesses are at midfield, (improved this year) can be porous up the middle, (expect Bradley to play around the 6 position at times) and in the full back line, where Molloy, who is quality, has made a huge difference.
They will be ready to have a go, and after last last year will have no fear of Dublin. As long as they don't overdo the short handpassing in defence, especially up the middle, it will be close enough.
Are Dublin favourites? Of course they are. But are Wexford worthy challengers? Yes. They underachieved in Division 3 for 2 seasons now, and should be Div 2 every year, at least.
In terms of ranking in Leinster, there are half a doxen teams who are capable of beating each other, then Kildare, then Dublin, who are clear of the pack, but can be fragile in tight finishes. Meath are back in the pack, and I would fancy Wexford to beat them most days.
In relation to Dublin, one poster said they should have beaten Cork in last years Sf and the League final. That might be true, but there are a litany of close games Dublin should or could have won in the last 10 years, and lost. It's easier to count the close ones they won- last years Tyrone and Wexfrod games, Longford away, Lienster finals vs Kildare. Until Dublin win an All-ireland, the question marks remain, just like with Cork until last September.

Your analysis of Wexford is pretty spot on and I agree totally that they need to have the kind of diplay in the last few games re the handpassing and long ball and not go back to last year and start slowinging the whole game down