32'' LED LCD or 32'' 1080p LCD?

IrishKev

Hi all,
I'm hoping to upgrade my TV to a HD model that has Saorview built into it. There are two models that I'm mainly interested in: the LG 32LE3300 32'' HD Ready LED LCD (http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/5297131/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CEntertainment%7C14419512/c_2/3%7Ccat_19780832%7CTelevisions%7C14419667.htm)
and the LG 32LD450 32'' Full HD 1080p LCD TV (http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/5296338/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CEntertainment%7C14419512/c_2/3%7Ccat_19780832%7CTelevisions%7C14419667.htm).
One of the TVs is both LCD and LED, but is not 1080p Full HD. The other is not an LED TV but is Full 1080p HD. Which one do you all think would be the best one to get? The price does not really matter as there is only a tenner is between the two.
They are both the same make, although the frame of the LED one seems to be kind of chunky compared to the 1080p one. Regardless, which one do you think would be the best to get in terms of picture quality?
Cheers

Johnboy1951

I'm hoping to upgrade my TV to a HD model that has Saorview built into it.

I would say neither.

Get a Saorview Approved TV, preferably with 1920x1080 display.

Trevord

The LD450 is known to work very well with Saorview (although not saorview approved).

Have a look around to see if you can get it for less than €339. Currys had it for €299 for a bit. It occasionally sells for as little as €250 on Amazon (but its back up to 280 pounds at the moment)

NIMAN

Widely accepted that for TVs as small as 32" full HD is irrelevant.

Only really needed on the big big screens.

At 32" the difference between 720p and 1080p won't be too noticeable.

foxire

What is the smallest size TV to get all the benefits of full HD?

foxire

Kristopherus

foxire wrote: »

What is the smallest size TV to get all the benefits of full HD?

foxire

37in, 40in, 42in. You'll notice the difference the bigger you go. I have 2 x 32in. tvs and there's no difference between 720 & 1080.

IrishKev

IrishKev wrote: »

Hi all,
I'm hoping to upgrade my TV to a HD model that has Saorview built into it. There are two models that I'm mainly interested in: the LG 32LE3300 32'' HD Ready LED LCD (http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/5297131/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CEntertainment%7C14419512/c_2/3%7Ccat_19780832%7CTelevisions%7C14419667.htm)
and the LG 32LD450 32'' Full HD 1080p LCD TV (http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/5296338/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CEntertainment%7C14419512/c_2/3%7Ccat_19780832%7CTelevisions%7C14419667.htm).
One of the TVs is both LCD and LED, but is not 1080p Full HD. The other is not an LED TV but is Full 1080p HD. Which one do you all think would be the best one to get? The price does not really matter as there is only a tenner is between the two.
They are both the same make, although the frame of the LED one seems to be kind of chunky compared to the 1080p one. Regardless, which one do you think would be the best to get in terms of picture quality?
Cheers

Dont worry about full hd on a tv that size.LED would be better because you will get better black levels.
On regular lcd tv's the screen is lit with a giant light panel so for example films with black bars ,the bars do not come up very black they always have light behind them because the light cant turn off the part of the screen displaying black.

LED use a backlight that can switch off every part of the screen, so when black appears on any part of the screen it turns the light off on the pixels that are black.

NIMAN

foxire wrote: »

What is the smallest size TV to get all the benefits of full HD?

foxire

Some reading for you

http://www.myce.com/news/beware-the-1080p-hd-scam-on-small-screens-33243/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101118130333AAXFDtp

http://www.highdefforum.com/high-definition-lounge/83681-small-full-hd-1080p-lcd-hdtv-22-28-a.html

desaparecidos

Generally speaking, a 1080p 32in will have all round higher spec than a "HD Ready" 32in. So likely better image and less "dragging blacks" and other afflictions of low end LCDs.

John mac

IrishKev wrote: »

One of the TVs is both LCD and LED, but is not 1080p Full HD. The other is not an LED TV but is Full 1080p HD. Which one do you all think would be the best one to get? The price does not really matter as there is only a tenner is between the two.
They are both the same make, although the frame of the LED one seems to be kind of chunky compared to the 1080p one. Regardless, which one do you think would be the best to get in terms of picture quality?
Cheers

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056302619

LED IS LCD.....

No1J

Whats the view on the Samsung UE32C4000LED at €300.

IrishKev

Cheers for the replies. So the LED LCD one is better to get at that size than the 1080p LCD one, only thing is none are available in Argos, I'll have to look elsewhere. Like No1J says above, what do people think of the Samsung UE32C4000? Again it's out of stock in Argos but at €300 and LED seems a very good deal.

mrquiteaguy

No1J
I have one.
Well well worth it at that price.
Very rich vivid colours and nice blacks.
Is 720p only but then again i dont have anything 1080p to use it for.

Is best watched straight on and you might have to fiddle a bit to set up the picture to your liking.
Also i find it best to watch it in a darkened room rather than where i have it,the sun coming in the window behind it.:)

Some people might find the sound not so powerful but i find it okay in clear voice.

It will play a lot of media downloaded files. mp4,avi,mkv.
Sport is very watchable for 50hz.
My brother has a sony led tv,100hz motionflow and he has to turn the 100hz off as it is so jerky.

I found it juddered a bit when watching analogue tv but Digital Saorview improved it tremendously.
Is better with HD than SD sources.

For 300 euros you cant go wrong.

No1J

mrquiteaguy wrote: »

No1J
I have one.
Well well worth it at that price.
Very rich vivid colours and nice blacks.
Is 720p only but then again i dont have anything 1080p to use it for.

Is best watched straight on and you might have to fiddle a bit to set up the picture to your liking.
Also i find it best to watch it in a darkened room rather than where i have it,the sun coming in the window behind it.:)

Some people might find the sound not so powerful but i find it okay in clear voice.

It will play a lot of media downloaded files. mp4,avi,mkv.
Sport is very watchable for 50hz.
My brother has a sony led tv,100hz motionflow and he has to turn the 100hz off as it is so jerky.

I found it juddered a bit when watching analogue tv but Digital Saorview improved it tremendously.
Is better with HD than SD sources.

For 300 euros you cant go wrong.

Thanks mrquiteaguy
I got one today and just got it hooked up to upc analogue, nice clear picture good set for the money. I have not fiddled with it yet but will check hdtvtest.co.uk for fine tuning. Are you using an aerial (ears or a booster)for the Saorview?

mrquiteaguy

Congratulations on your purchase No1J.

I am using an ordinary old Rte coaxial brown cable lead connected to an outdoor roof aerial

I have a indoors rabbit ears booster aerial but i found the old Rte coaxial brown cable lead to be more useful as the rabbit ears booster aerial Saorview glitched/froze when i went near it.

When i first tried to tune the tv to Saorview i could tune the saorview channels by having the old Rte coaxial brown cable lead in the back.
It wouldnt tune in the channels when i just had the rabbit ears booster aerial connected only to the tv.
But once the tv had the saorview channels stored.I could watch them using either.

No1J

mrquiteaguy wrote: »

Congratulations on your purchase No1J.

I am using an ordinary old Rte coaxial brown cable lead connected to an outdoor roof aerial

I have a indoors rabbit ears booster aerial but i found the old Rte coaxial brown cable lead to be more useful as the rabbit ears booster aerial Saorview glitched/froze when i went near it.

When i first tried to tune the tv to Saorview i could tune the saorview channels by having the old Rte coaxial brown cable lead in the back.
It wouldnt tune in the channels when i just had the rabbit ears booster aerial connected only to the tv.
But once the tv had the saorview channels stored.I could watch them using either.

Cheers, nice to see the old one's are still working.
Stupid question, to tune in the new Saorview channels do I have to disconnect my upc cable, put in ears etc, hopefully be able to receive and store, and then reconnect upc and they should be there?

John mac

No1J wrote: »

Cheers, nice to see the old one's are still working.
Stupid question, to tune in the new Saorview channels do I have to disconnect my upc cable, put in ears etc, hopefully be able to receive and store, and then reconnect upc and they should be there?

try using a splitter, although you may have interference with the upc .

you wont get it using the upc cable on its own.

Sam Russell

No1J wrote: »

Cheers, nice to see the old one's are still working.
Stupid question, to tune in the new Saorview channels do I have to disconnect my upc cable, put in ears etc, hopefully be able to receive and store, and then reconnect upc and they should be there?

What you need is a diplexer. Depending on where you are, and on the local Saorview channel no., a diplexer will combine the two signals without loss. In Dublin (and possibly elsewhere) a Triax TFC3537 will work for you. Put the UPC cable in one port, the Saorview aerial into the other, and take the output from the third. UPC do not use channels as high as 37, and if you Saorview is above 37, preferably above 40, you should be OK.

You can get them from tvtrade.ie and others. I can supply one if you like.

No1J

Sam Russell wrote: »

What you need is a diplexer. Depending on where you are, and on the local Saorview channel no., a diplexer will combine the two signals without loss. In Dublin (and possibly elsewhere) a Triax TFC3537 will work for you. Put the UPC cable in one port, the Saorview aerial into the other, and take the output from the third. UPC do not use channels as high as 37, and if you Saorview is above 37, preferably above 40, you should be OK.

You can get them from tvtrade.ie and others. I can supply one if you like.

Hi Sam
Thanks for all the the info. I had a look on tvtrade.ie and watched other links on you tube. My set up is a bit mad but works for me at the moment.
First sitting room has UPC digital basic package (first digital in house)
Second sitting room has Sky.
Kitchen and bed rooms are run off a splitter at the upc entry point, then into a booster, split 1 to the Kitchen, 1 to the bed rooms and splitters to each one after that, strangely enough picture quality is not bad. When the old signal goes end of 2012 or if I want to receive Soarview now do I have to put up an old style ariel on the roof as I don't want to have those plug in booste ones all over the house?
I don't want multiroom as there would be 7, (to expensive) will I have to get a reciever (box) for the kitchen and each of the bed rooms (could run 3 cables of the sky dish) any ideas.
By the way do you not need planning permission to put up ariels in the city, i'm in dublin N/NW.
Thanks again and if this set up wrecks your head to much, leave it, cheers.
No1J

Sam Russell

@No1J
At the point before where the NTL is spilt, put the diplexer. Add the aerial to the input of the diplexor. The whole signal will then be set around with the NTL analogue. Any TV can tune the Saorview if they are compatible, or you get a box for that particular TV. Come ASO, NTL currently plan to continue the analogue.

You could expriment by putting the diplexor before the digital box and see if you lose anything.

No, you do not need planning for an aerial.

No1J

Sam Russell wrote: »

@No1J
At the point before where the NTL is spilt, put the diplexer. Add the aerial to the input of the diplexor. The whole signal will then be set around with the NTL analogue. Any TV can tune the Saorview if they are compatible, or you get a box for that particular TV. Come ASO, NTL currently plan to continue the analogue.

You could expriment by putting the diplexor before the digital box and see if you lose anything.

No, you do not need planning for an aerial.

Thanks Sam
I am starting to get my head around things. Just to clarify a few things.
For those who have the basic UPC package at the moment and are not that interested in the extra Soarview channels, do UPC intend to continue this package/service?
If you want Soarview
1 you will have to put up an external aerial and run it to your tv.
2 if you have UPC and want Soarview as well you will have to add the diplexer at the Upc entry point, run a wire from the aerial to this point and connect the two.
In my area a few months ago everyone that had a Sat dish at the front of their houses or on chimneys had to remove them as planning permission is required once someone makes a complaint. They all had to be fitted to the back of the houses below roof level. Do you think aerials would work at these levels, thinking of both Soarview and Freeview

Thanks
No1J

Sam Russell

No1J wrote: »

Thanks Sam
I am starting to get my head around things. Just to clarify a few things.
For those who have the basic UPC package at the moment and are not that interested in the extra Soarview channels, do UPC intend to continue this package/service?
If you want Soarview
1 you will have to put up an external aerial and run it to your tv.

If you want Saorview, you will need an aerial. You may be able to use a simple aerial, but that depends on you location. An aerial should be at roof level and on the side of the house facing the transmitter. In Dublin the signal is good for most people, so experiment with a €2 aerial from a Euro shop.

2 if you have UPC and want Soarview as well you will have to add the diplexer at the Upc entry point, run a wire from the aerial to this point and connect the two.

That is correct.

In my area a few months ago everyone that had a Sat dish at the front of their houses or on chimneys had to remove them as planning permission is required once someone makes a complaint. They all had to be fitted to the back of the houses below roof level. Do you think aerials would work at these levels, thinking of both Soarview and Freeview.

If you have a sat dish, you can bring the aerial signal down the same cable as the sat using a splitter/combiner at each end. So you locate your aerial near the dish and point it at the transmitter, combine both signals onto the one cable. At the TV end, another one is used to split the signals again. This will work if you are going Freesat, because the sat signal goes to the Freesat box, and the aerial signal goes to the Saorview box/TV.

Planning is not needed for aerials, but it is a long time since aerials figured in Dublin's skyline, so maybe they do now.

No1J

Hi Sam
The sat dish is used for SKY, will it still work if I get an UHF aerial,cable it and the sky cable to a combiner and attach to the sky dish, then at the Sky tv connect a splitter, one into SKY tv the other to the diplexer then into the UPC analogue cable so then the Soarview should travel to the other tv's.
How hard is it to tune in the aerial, should I use a cable directly to 1 tv and get OH to check for signal as I move it around?

Thanks
No1J

Sam Russell

No1J wrote: »

Hi Sam
The sat dish is used for SKY, will it still work if I get an UHF aerial,cable it and the sky cable to a combiner and attach to the sky dish, then at the Sky tv connect a splitter, one into SKY tv the other to the diplexer then into the UPC analogue cable so then the Soarview should travel to the other tv's.
How hard is it to tune in the aerial, should I use a cable directly to 1 tv and get OH to check for signal as I move it around?

Thanks
No1J

Yes but you might need a distribution amp somewhere or a masthead amp. It needs a bit more information to be sure exactly what you need, but that is close.

foxire

NIMAN wrote: »

Some reading for you

http://www.myce.com/news/beware-the-1080p-hd-scam-on-small-screens-33243/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101118130333AAXFDtp

http://www.highdefforum.com/high-definition-lounge/83681-small-full-hd-1080p-lcd-hdtv-22-28-a.html

Thanks for the information. Now I know what to avoid if I want full HD.

foxire

Kristopherus wrote: »

37in, 40in, 42in. You'll notice the difference the bigger you go. I have 2 x 32in. tvs and there's no difference between 720 & 1080.

Thanks for the information. Boards.ie is great to get information like this especially when you see TV's advertised with much smaller screens with full HD.