Septic Tank Charges.

Amateurish

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0623/septictanks.html

It appears charges are on the way whether we like it or not. Surely this will result in reduced levels of fecal contamination in drinking water supplies. If we are clever it might only be a matter of spending less on detergents. If we are really clever we might run the waste through an AD plant and make money. (Are there any other ways to make money from ****e?)

Needler

What a load of sh1te

Some of us already pay a maintenance charge for our systems, any tax for us would be a double charge!

I know that many of the neighbours just forget about them until they either stink or swamp!

Macha

Well as is often the case, dolanbaker, everyone will have to pay for an inspection scheme because of those who have proven themselves incapable of maintaining the system themselves.The NCT is another example.

The amount of water pollution as a result of septic tanks that are not working properly is staggering and we're on the brink of massive fines from the EU. It's a shame that so many Irish are incapable of properly maintaining their septic tanks but they've had long enough to sort them out.

Needler

Macha wrote: »

Well as is often the case, dolanbaker, everyone will have to pay for an inspection scheme because of those who have proven themselves incapable of maintaining the system themselves.The NCT is another example.

The amount of water pollution as a result of septic tanks that are not working properly is staggering and we're on the brink of massive fines from the EU. It's a shame that so many Irish are incapable of properly maintaining their septic tanks but they've had long enough to sort them out.

So where are all these mysterious problem septic tanks? Surely only in areas where water for the public supply is being drawn from would have any potential of causing a problem unless there are leaks in the pipes which we will also be made pay for soon

The whole thing seems like they're trying to create a problem that must be solved by everyone paying.

Will these inspections be annual?

Amateurish

Needler wrote: »

So where are all these mysterious problem septic tanks? Surely only in areas where water for the public supply is being drawn from would have any potential of causing a problem unless there are leaks in the pipes which we will also be made pay for soon

The whole thing seems like they're trying to create a problem that must be solved by everyone paying.

Will these inspections be annual?

Well unfortunately I can confirm at first hand that tap water can be contaminated by septic tanks. How widespread the problem is I have no idea.
Sadly this is probably one of the simplest fixes ever, using less cleaning fluids will have almost immediate benefits. The average housekeeper is almost blackmailed into using a wide array of products in a commercially induced state of ocd. I'm (almost) certain that reliable studies show a link between overuse of cleaning products and illness as the bodies immunities are less developed.
DolanBaker, I assume you have a biocycle type of treatment? A maintenance charge for a concrete type septic tank is news to me. Sure won't you be exempt then since its not a septic pit...

Amateurish

Amateurish wrote: »

DolanBaker, I assume you have a biocycle type of treatment? A maintenance charge for a concrete type septic tank is news to me. Sure won't you be exempt then since its not a septic pit...

Yes it's a Biocycle, hopefully the authorities will see sense and acknowledge that we already pay a service charge and are responsible for our system.

Pete_Cavan

Needler wrote: »

So where are all these mysterious problem septic tanks? Surely only in areas where water for the public supply is being drawn from would have any potential of causing a problem unless there are leaks in the pipes which we will also be made pay for soon

The whole thing seems like they're trying to create a problem that must be solved by everyone paying.

The need comes about from a judgement handed down from the European Court of Justice in the case Judgment of the Court (Second Chamber) of 29 October 2009 — Commission of the European Communities v Ireland

1. Declares that, by failing to adopt, save in County Cavan, all the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with Articles 4 and 8 of Council Directive 75/442/EEC of 15 July 1975 on waste, as amended by Council Directive 91/156/EEC of 18 March 1991, as regards domestic waste waters disposed of in the countryside through septic tanks and other individual waste water treatment systems, Ireland has failed to fulfil its obligations under that directive;
2. Orders Ireland to pay three quarters of the costs of the Commission of the European Communities and to bear its own costs;
3. Orders the Commission of the European Communities to bear one quarter of its own costs.

Fianna Fail just ignored the original Directive has didnt bother implementing it because they were too busy pandering to rural voters which leaves us in a situation where we could face a €40m fine from the European Court of Justice

Needler wrote: »

Will these inspections be annual?

I presume the new system will be something like what was introduced under the "Waste water treatment systems for single houses - Bye-Laws 2004" in Cavan which has inspections every seven years;

6.1 Wastewater treatment systems shall be inspected by a competent person at least once every seven years after initial inspection (section 2.2), for structural
soundness, watertightness of the treatment system and for visual signs of malfunction.
6.2 A certificate shall be given in proof of each inspection certifying that the wastewater treatment system is operating satisfactorily. If after each 7-yearly inspection any deficiencies or malfunctions are identified, the occupier shall notify the Local Authority within 14 days, together with a programme for repair.
6.3 Records of tank emptying and inspections, initial, seven-yearly and maintenance, shall be kept up-to-date and shall be available at all reasonable times for inspection by an authorised person of the Local Authority and be provided to the Local Authority on request in writing.
6.4 A person subject to these Bye-Laws shall facilitate an authorised person of the Local Authority in performance of duties in respect of these bye-laws.

Amateurish wrote: »

Sadly this is probably one of the simplest fixes ever, using less cleaning fluids will have almost immediate benefits. The average housekeeper is almost blackmailed into using a wide array of products in a commercially induced state of ocd. I'm (almost) certain that reliable studies show a link between overuse of cleaning products and illness as the bodies immunities are less developed.

Yip, most septic tanks don't work because they are fed a fairly toxic mix of detergents which hugely diluting the normal throughput, so they don't work.

Oldtree

Most of the septic tanks just fill up and eventually contaminated water overflows into the ground and from there into the aquifer, it does not evaporate!

We were lucky that we got a pureflow system, ahead of its time at the time, but I'm not sure that going to be enough now.

Amateurish

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The need comes about from a judgement handed down from the European Court of Justice in the case Judgment of the Court (Second Chamber) of 29 October 2009 — Commission of the European Communities v Ireland
Fianna Fail just ignored the original Directive has didnt bother implementing it because they were too busy pandering to rural voters which leaves us in a situation where we could face a €40m fine from the European Court of Justice

I presume the new system will be something like what was introduced under the "Waste water treatment systems for single houses - Bye-Laws 2004" in Cavan which has inspections every seven years;


Yip, most septic tanks don't work because they are fed a fairly toxic mix of detergents which hugely diluting the normal throughput, so they don't work.

Many problems with septic tanks would tend to be seasonal with bacterial action slowing in colder months. An inspection in the middle of July might have a very different result to one carried out in December. Do the initial inspections check the wavin piping? in my experience they tend to be joined with the assistance of a sledge hammer causing damage to the sealant rubbers. Any back-up in the system then results in sewage leaking.

Ghost Estate

Oldtree wrote: »

Most of the septic tanks just fill up and eventually contaminated water overflows into the ground and from there into the aquifer, it does not evaporate!

We were lucky that we got a pureflow system, ahead of its time at the time, but I'm not sure that going to be enough now.

the contaminated water evaporates alright, but the contamination itself might not evaporate so well

back in the day (sadly just *before* the tiger really got going we sold a bit of land for 10k that would have gone for 80 in 2006) but feck it they needed a septic tank that had some sort of pump or something in it that uses 40-60W of power. I have been wondering for years how this actually works and what purpose the device using the 40 or 60W of power actually serves

reilig

Ghost Estate wrote: »

the contaminated water evaporates alright, but the contamination itself might not evaporate so well

back in the day (sadly just *before* the tiger really got going we sold a bit of land for 10k that would have gone for 80 in 2006) but feck it they needed a septic tank that had some sort of pump or something in it that uses 40-60W of power. I have been wondering for years how this actually works and what purpose the device using the 40 or 60W of power actually serves

Its for a small air pump which blows air through the tank. The air helps with the breakdown of solids in the tank.