Very Tense In Belfast

JONJO THE MISER

There was massive violence in Belfast last night and tonight it seems things are very tense with water cannons and riot police all over the place.
There is a massive thread over on Politics.ie which is giving very accurate accounts of what is going on.
Hopefully things dont go back to the bad old days.

UrbanSea

Didn't know you were away from Galway JJ

JONJO THE MISER

UrbanSea wrote: »

Didn't know you were away from Galway JJ

We all need our holidays:p

UrbanSea

I'm going on mine tomorrow Enjoying the Canford Cliffs money?

JONJO THE MISER

Looks like its getting started again tonight:(
http://twitter.com/#!/Aideen_UTV

Iwasfrozen

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

There was massive violence in Belfast last night and tonight it seems things are very tense with water cannons and riot police all over the place.
There is a massive thread over on Politics.ie which is giving very accurate accounts of what is going on.
Hopefully things dont go back to the bad old days.

Where? I took a look but I can't see it.

The Left Hand Of God

It is just the standard build up to July 12th. Same happened last year but there was more going on in the media.

Actually... it happens every year.

Aidric

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

There was massive violence in Belfast last night and tonight it seems things are very tense with water cannons and riot police all over the place.
There is a massive thread over on Politics.ie which is giving very accurate accounts of what is going on.
Hopefully things dont go back to the bad old days.

Why don't you change your username to sky news and be done with it?

My name is URL

They really do need to get working on that device which can separate NI from the rest of the island and set it adrift towards the Arctic.

smk89

Things are always tense in Belfast, one day will not bring us back to the bad days.

Frankly if a few protesters were "accidentally" injured it wouldn't be the worse thing. Scum bags that they are.

PK2008

Oh Nordies...... you so crazy!!!

UrbanSea

Aidric wrote: »

Why don't you change your username to sky news and be done with it?

Jokey fail

Duckworth_Luas

Any Limerick jerseys to be seen?

squod

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Looks like its getting started again tonight:(
http://twitter.com/#!/Aideen_UTV

Roide

Latchy

My name is URL wrote: »

They really do need to get working on that device which can separate NI from the rest of the island and set it adrift towards the Arctic.

I use to wish that one day , the whole of NI would just drift off to up to Antartica and take it's ugly, evil troubles with it to .

policarp

That's what they up north call
Recreational Violence...
Just a bit of fun.

Wolfe Tone

Its terrible really, one lad is critically ill in hospital after being hit in the head with a block, poor lad.

Unionist politicians need to reign the UVF in.

For those who don't know the area in question is called Short Strand and is a small catholic one of approx 3000 people in the center of loyalist east Belfast, so they are pretty isolated. Probably most famous for the Battle of Saint Matthews.

Last night hundreds of masked loyalists attacked the area with petrol bombs, pipe bombs etc. Attacked pensioners homes with petrol bombs. Community rallied around and put the fires out and defended themselves. Shots were fired too, miracle no one was killed (although the guy in hospital is in a bad way, they got him when he was protecting the church from the loyalist mob afaik). Two loyalists were shot in the legs too I believe. Initially I thought it was simply the annual trouble, but its much much worse then that. Loyalists shot at people and they , burned a police landrover too. Worst violence in a long long time.

Reports are(the BBC, UTV and the PSNI themselves say) that the UVF orchestrated this and bussed in loyalists from across the city. Motivated not only by simple sectarianism but by the threat of HET investigations and the supergrass trial.

Of course tonight I dare say many 'from both sides' have descended on the area anticipating trouble. I had hoped the weather would send a load home.

Anyway, hopefully the situation is resolved and no one gets hurt. Danger is that this can escalate, reprisals and all that crap.

Despite the political progress sectarianism is still a huge problem, and all the indications are that this will be a long summer, I can only imagine what the 12th is gonna be like now, Ardoyne in particular. Depressing.

AckwelFoley

Rubber bullets

I would like to see the entire available arsenal unloaded on them

bayern282

There's been similar instances of this during the 'peace' era so hopefully it will pass.

As depressing as it sounds, there maybe something in the Northern Irish / West of Scotland psyche that enjoys this sectarian rubbish.

JONJO THE MISER

Just seen this on politics.ie:
Apparently a number of masked men including one armed with a gun have walked into Lurgan train station. The station is now closed.

For Forks Sake

squod wrote: »

Roide

Until she speaks I'd imagine

The Left Hand Of God

No one gives a flying fuk really.

Wolfe Tone

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Just seen this on politics.ie:
Apparently a number of masked men including one armed with a gun have walked into Lurgan train station. The station is now closed.

Almost as bad as twitter that place, ignore until you get something more solid.

dublincelt

The Left Hand Of God wrote: »

No one gives a flying fuk really.

Not from the leafy West Brit surburbs of southside Dublin evidently.

Why even bother posting on this?! :rolleyes:

JONJO THE MISER

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Almost as bad as twitter that place, ignore until you get something more solid.

I noticed it was a bit sensationlist alright.

The Left Hand Of God

dublincelt wrote: »

Not from the leafy West Brit surburbs of southside Dublin evidently.

Why even bother posting on this?! :rolleyes:

No.


From the North and tired of people like you just having something to "talk about" on the internet and twitter.

When you really have no idea of the dynamics.

Wolfe Tone

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

I noticed it was a bit sensationlist alright.

All it takes is one gobsh!te to get something wrong over on twitter, gets retweeted and spread around, appears on a site and suddenly its fact.


http://www.facebook.com/irishrepublicanforum


The reports that get posted up there would be the most accurate as its collected from people in the actual area. The reports they had yesterday turned out pretty correct.

Latchy

bayern282 wrote: »

As depressing as it sounds, there maybe something in the Northern Irish / West of Scotland psyche that enjoys this sectarian rubbish.

I have always thought as much myself .

The Left Hand Of God wrote: »

No one gives a flying fuk really.

Something the nutters up there don't seem to understand .

K-9

No change there then.

dublincelt

The Left Hand Of God wrote: »

No.


From the North and tired of people like you just having something to "talk about" on the internet and twitter.

When you really have no idea of the dynamics.

People like me?? Ha ha. Good one.

What are the dynamics of this specific act of loyalist aggression? Seeing as you are "from the North" you must be an expert! :rolleyes:

amacachi

As long as it just stays very tense and doesn't get worse.

Show Time

The 12th is on the way so it is bound to go a bit loco with the orange boys on the moonshine.

Richard Hillman

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

All it takes is one gobsh!te to get something wrong over on twitter, gets retweeted and spread around, appears on a site and suddenly its fact.


http://www.facebook.com/irishrepublicanforum


The reports that get posted up there would be the most accurate as its collected from people in the actual area. The reports they had yesterday turned out pretty correct.

:pac: The website are known to be IRA supporters and the type of people that were out protesting with the heroin addicts during the royal visit. The reports will be about as one sided and exaggerated as North Korean TV

Wolfe Tone

Richard Hillman wrote: »

:pac: The website are known to be IRA supporters and the type of people that were out protesting with the heroin addicts during the royal visit. The reports will be about as one sided and exaggerated as North Korean TV

Yesterdays reports on there were very accurate to be fair.

The Left Hand Of God

dublincelt wrote: »

People like me?? Ha ha. Good one.

What are the dynamics of this specific act of loyalist aggression? Seeing as you are "from the North" you must be an expert! :rolleyes:

Slightly more than you tbh.

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

All it takes is one gobsh!te to get something wrong over on twitter, gets retweeted and spread around, appears on a site and suddenly its fact.


http://www.facebook.com/irishrepublicanforum


The reports that get posted up there would be the most accurate as its collected from people in the actual area. The reports they had yesterday turned out pretty correct.

Yeah Facebook is far more reliable than Twitter.

yeahimhere

oh god, just watching Sky News there and on the headline, the presenter said that "Loyalist Republicans were rioting with police" he stumbled a little bit when I think he realised what he said.

Journalism at its finest.

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

Yeah Facebook is far more reliable than Twitter.

The vast majority of reports will come from that site, PULSE etc and get embellished and put on twitter, simple as.

dublincelt

The Left Hand Of God wrote: »

Slightly more than you tbh.

Thanks for the insightful response. Was just what I was expecting and you didn’t disappoint.

AckwelFoley

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The vast majority of reports will come from that site, PULSE etc and get embellished and put on twitter, simple as.

I love PULSE. Its a great read, Peoples bitterness and narrow mindedness will amaze. The only site ive ever known where thy ban you based on your IP rather than your postings

I remember reading some of the posts there. One guy was a greek Aussie who hated the northern catholics more than most of the rest of them. Reminded me of the small smelly kid nobody liked in school that would try too hard to make friends being something they're not.

Alot of silly tom foolery really

For Forks Sake

yeahimhere wrote: »

oh god, just watching Sky News there and on the headline, the presenter said that "Loyalist Republicans were rioting with police" he stumbled a little bit when I think he realised what he said.

Journalism at its finest.

Wait till they find out it was actually Republican Loyalists. Boy, will their faces be red.

Messi2

Just watching the "riots" there on Sky. Wont be heading up there any time soon. Well, until they're all back in school anyway.

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The vast majority of reports will come from that site, PULSE etc and get embellished and put on twitter, simple as.

Yeah, it's one side of the eye witness reports, Twitter is good for journalists and more unbiased sources, Eamonn Mallie etc.

Suppose it's a PR coup for the Republican riots last August.

Anyway, it's supposed to have calmed down and community groups will have meetings tomorrow.

Judgement Day

Latchy wrote: »

I use to wish that one day , the whole of NI would just drift off to up to Antartica and take it's ugly, evil troubles with it to .

As long as it drags Louth/Leitrim/Cavan and Monaghan away with it too.

yeahimhere

Messi2 wrote: »

Just watching the "riots" there on Sky. Wont be heading up there any time soon. Well, until they're all back in school anyway.

They were only kids though shown in the report, such a shame that the whole two nights riots were incited by adults and they're managing to pass down the violence to the next generation. Or wonder if it was like the Love Ulster parade where young scummers with nothing better to do just latch onto anything that's happening.

bonerm

I personally believe it's down to the amount of cholesterol in their diets. They'd give the Scots a run for their money in the arterial stakes.

fedor.2.

Reading the thread title, i was going to recommend a masseuse i had visited in the area before

For Forks Sake

bonerm wrote: »

I personally believe it's down to the amount of cholesterol in their diets. They'd give the Scots a run for their money in the arterial stakes.

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Any time I'm up north for work it never ceases to amaze me the number of chip vans doing a roaring trade at all hours of the day.

TiGeR KiNgS

There's a welcomed lack of KeithAFC in this thread.
I wonder if he was shot last night ?

That is all

djrichard

bayern282 wrote: »

As depressing as it sounds, there maybe something in the Northern Irish / West of Scotland psyche that enjoys this sectarian rubbish.

I'm from Scotland, as far west as you could be. Growing up, I'm 34, you would hear about the troubles on the news. It all seemed so distant and really nothing to give a huge amount of thought to as it never seemed like anything to do with our own lives. Thought of it in the same way I do now when I hear of problems in the middle east etc.

Since moving to Dublin 2-3 months ago I've been amazed at how much people in the republic distance themselves from the north. Maybe this is nno surprise to anyone from here, but I grew up wrongly assuming that the problems were in the south too. Just on Saturday I was playing a game of 7-A-side and the team I was playing for had a blue strip. I wore my rangers top as it was pouring rain and it wasn't as see through as the teams primark (pennies I think its called here) €3 t-shirts! Apart from a few heckles in jest, not one person cared I was wearing it.

Hundreds of times I've played football with friends wearing a Rangers top, they wearing their Celtic tops, it really means nothing to most people. I don't know anyone personally in Scotland that cares about any of these things.

I think its a terrible shame that this drivel is still tearing families apart and causing so many to live in fear.

Are there any problems in Dublin during these times in the north?

HellFireClub

djrichard wrote: »

I'm from Scotland, as far west as you could be. Growing up, I'm 34, you would hear about the troubles on the news. It all seemed so distant and really nothing to give a huge amount of thought to as it never seemed like anything to do with our own lives. Thought of it in the same way I do now when I hear of problems in the middle east etc.

Since moving to Dublin 2-3 months ago I've been amazed at how much people in the republic distance themselves from the north. Maybe this is nno surprise to anyone from here, but I grew up wrongly assuming that the problems were in the south too. Just on Saturday I was playing a game of 7-A-side and the team I was playing for had a blue strip. I wore my rangers top as it was pouring rain and it wasn't as see through as the teams primark (pennies I think its called here) €3 t-shirts! Apart from a few heckles in jest, not one person cared I was wearing it.

Hundreds of times I've played football with friends wearing a Rangers top, they wearing their Celtic tops, it really means nothing to most people. I don't know anyone personally in Scotland that cares about any of these things.

I think its a terrible shame that this drivel is still tearing families apart and causing so many to live in fear.

Are there any problems in Dublin during these times in the north?

People down here were not born and reared in a sectarian soup of pure pathlogical hatred for others in the community. The hatred you see up in the north, it's bred into them, it's on both sides and it'll probably take many generations for them to learn how to get on with each other normally...