Did Child's Play 3 influence murder?

Dublindude69

Everyone knows the tragic case of James Bulger but I always believed the the killers where influenced after watching Child's Play 3. Today someone told me this wasn't true and I informed them it was. I went home and searched the internet to prove my point but the more I looked the more it looked like the two kids never even watched horror movies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child%27s_Play_3

The film also has become controversial because it has been indirectly linked to the brutal murder of James Bulger. The killers, who were 10 years old at the time, were said to have imitated a scene in which one of Chucky's victims is splashed with blue paint. Although these allegations against the film have never been proven, the case has led to some new legislation for video films.[7] Psychologist Guy Cumberbatch has stated, "The link with a video was that the father of one of the boys - Neil Venables - had rented Child’s Play 3 some months earlier.[8] However, the police officer who directed the investigation, Albert Kirby, found that the son, Jon, was not living with his father at the time and was unlikely to have seen the film. Moreover, the boy disliked horror films - a point later confirmed by psychiatric reports. Thus the police investigation, which had specifically looked for a video link, concluded there was none.[9]

Everything I find seems to say the same basic thing that the kids disliked horror and there was no link. So why does everyone say the movie is to blame?

The King of Moo

The tabloids wanted to stir **** up to make more money from the tragedy.

7sr2z3fely84g5

i remember for years the movies were withdrawn from video stores and rereleased years later,sky cancelled broadcasting the movie,looking into the background both of them came from dysfunctional upbringing.

http://www.film4.com/features/article/here-apos-s-chucky

Biggins

The King of Moo wrote: »

The tabloids wanted to stir **** up to make more money from the tragedy.

That.
Enough said.

Cianos

I thought it was Marilyn Manson that caused kids to murder each other?

bonerm

Wasn't the same thing done at Columbine? Within hours it was spread all over the media that the killers were inspired by the music of Marilyn Manson. Later on it transpired that they didn't even listen to the band. Didn't matter that it was a lie, it was a 'fact' that just fit the story. You might as well not believe anything you read (including this).

charlemont

Fairly ****e film anyway.

Wolflikeme

Did it fcuk!

It was used as an excuse by the perpetrator's (or their lawyers) as it would make it look like they were influenced by something other than the inherent evil (seemingly) inside them and thus more likely to gain some degree of understanding from a jury.

The King of Moo

It happened even before that with A Clockwork Orange, a huge fuss when a kid killed a homeless man like in the film. Turned out he'd never seen the film, but then other lawyers started to blame the film for their clients' crimes, Stanley Kubrick got death threats against himself and his family, and withdraw the film.

Sheer sensationalism, but very damaging when it takes hold.

Captain Darling

I was reading Ozzy Osbournes autobiography and he was talking about how he was brought to court in America by the parents of a child who committed suicide apparently because of his song Suicide Solution.

The judge chucked the case out of court in quick time because of the right to free speech whilst also calling Ozzy a bit of a dickhead. Its the whole thing of expressing yourself through art yadda yadda yadda. Same thing applies here.

7sr2z3fely84g5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films#Ireland

1931: Monkey Business was banned because censors feared it would encourage anarchic tendencies

Oh_Noes

I loved all those movies. Probably the first one moreso than the rest because it scared the sh1t out of me as a kid like a good horror should.

I've no idea how people get away with publishing the rubbish that the tabloids did at the time, tenuously linking the fact that the kids threw paint on the victim with the paintball scene in the movie. Anything to sell those rags.

Dunjohn

I've never seen Child's Play 3 and I've never murdered anyone. Case closed, I think.

Captain Darling

Dunjohn wrote: »

I've never seen Child's Play 3 and I've never murdered anyone. Case closed, I think.

You better not watch the Human Centipede then. God knows what you'd get up to. :eek:

Biggins

Captain Darling wrote: »

You better not watch the Human Centipede then. God knows what you'd get up to. :eek:

Or god forbid, its now sequal! :pac:

See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jun/14/tom-six-human-centipede-interview

Part 1 was My Little Pony compared with Part 2...
And Part 2 is a Disney film compared with what will be in Part 3...

:eek:

PrincessLola

There is no link between the two. The fact that you 'think' there is means nothing.

bonerm

I'd have called sequel the Human Millipede, but then I'm not as clever as those movie-making guys.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Pokemon the movie was violent.

Herb Powell

Dublindude69 wrote: »

So why does everyone say the movie is to blame?

Because people are stupid as fuuck

Captain Darling

Biggins wrote: »

Or god forbid, its now sequal! :pac:

See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jun/14/tom-six-human-centipede-interview

:eek:

There's another debate here about whether those 'shock' movies are art or even entertainment.

Shocking for the sake of shocking is a bit rubbish IMO.

Biggins

Captain Darling wrote: »

Shocking for the sake of shocking is a bit rubbish IMO.

I agree.

im invisible

Biggins wrote: »

I agree.

Thats shokkin'

I remember this being mentioned at the time but as the second post suggests, it was probably just the tabloids stirring up crap.

pragmatic1

Its not society, the media or entertainment. Its once again down to bad parenting. Dont have kids until you're sure you want them and when you have them, sorry but your life is now number two on the priority list.

Johro

'After the trial, Mr Justice Morland laid the moral responsibility squarely with the parents. He said a public debate about the parenting and family background of Thompson and Venables was required. "In my judgement," he averred, "the home background, upbringing, family circumstances, parental behaviour and relationships were needed in the public domain so that informed and worthwhile debate can take place for the public good in the case of grave crimes by young children."
Thompson was a member of what can only be described as a terribly dysfunctional family. The fifth of seven children, he proved as difficult to his mother as the rest of her progeny. Ann Thompson had been deserted by her husband five years before the killing of Jamie Bulger, and in the week after he left the family home burned down in an accidental fire. Left on her own, Thompson sought consolation in drink and was often to be found in the bar in Higson's Top House rather than looking after the children in her chaotic home.
There it was bedlam. The author Blake Morrison obtained notes from an NSPCC case conference on the Thompson family. "The Thompson report is a series of violent incidents," he reported, "none of them in itself enough to justify the kids being taken into care but the sum of them appalling. The boys, it's said, grew up 'afraid of each other'. They bit, hammered, battered, tortured each other."
The report is full of violent instances, with details of such incidents as Ann taking her third son Philip to the police station after he had threatened his older brother Ian with a knife. Ian, aged 15, subsequently asked to be taken into care and when he was returned home he tried to kill himself by overdosing on painkillers. The notes record that Ann and Philip had also previously taken overdoses.
The Venables household was also fraught but contrastingly so. While Susan and Neil Venables lived in separate houses a mile apart, they tried to bring up their children in a united way - Jon spent Sunday to Thursday with his mum and the rest of the week with his dad. But things were difficult. Jon's brother and sister both had learning difficulties and were being taught in separate special schools, while Jon himself was hyperactive and always playing up. It was Jon Venables, not Robert Thompson, who had a record of violence, having attempted to throttle another boy at school.
In January 1987, the police were called to Susan Venables' home because the children (then seven, five and three) had been left alone for three hours. Case notes observe that her "serious depressive problem" made Venables suicidal.'
(The Guardian)

--LOS--

I have something to watch >_>

Dublindude69

Found this video on youtube, it really explained things to me, I can't believe I grew up thinking it was a simple as they watched a movie and did a crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx1uUnr2aCM

Jackobyte

Captain Darling wrote: »

You better not watch the Human Centipede then. God knows what you'd get up to. :eek:

Meh, I've seen it. The idea in it was pretty gruesome but graphically, it wasn't that bad.

Captain Darling wrote: »

There's another debate here about whether those 'shock' movies are art or even entertainment.

Shocking for the sake of shocking is a bit rubbish IMO.

I recently heard about (NSFW) "A Serbian Film". I never intend to watch it, as it sounds truly horrific, but as shock films go, it seems from the wiki page to be about as bad as they get.

Duggy747

Before Mortal Kombat

After Mortal Kombat

deathrider

Pretty sure the flick got banned either way. I had a bastard of a time hunting it down on video back in the day.

Dublindude69

Damn it, I've grown a bit interested in this case now. I just ordered a book As If off Amazon which is about the murder. Will keep you posted.

Dravokivich

I think we're more inclined to make movies based on actual events, more so than events being inspired by a movie. The main characters from "Pyscho," "The Texas Chainsaw Murderer" and "Silence of The Lambs," were inspired by Ed Gein.

Nodin

And some things are so out there, if you saw them in a movie, you'd think it was a bit far fetched
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/michel_fourniret/1_index.html

krudler

"Movies dont create psychos, they just make psychos more creative"

B. Loomis- 1996

Nodin

.....watching any non-comedy with Nicolas Cage does make me want to kill, true enough....

bonerm

Nodin wrote: »

.....watching any non-comedy with Nicolas Cage does make me want to kill, true enough....

Every movie Cage is in IS a comedy just by virtue Cage being in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrALs-Nq_I

Nodin

bonerm wrote: »

Every movie Cage is in IS a comedy because of the fact that Cage is in it.

....I was traumatised so much by the towering cack that was "Con Air" that my laughing clown doesn't laugh so much anymore....it was about then the bodies started appearing too....

du Maurier

Dravokivich wrote: »

I think we're more inclined to make movies based on actual events, more so than events being inspired by a movie. The main characters from "Pyscho," "The Texas Chainsaw Murderer" and "Silence of The Lambs," were inspired by Ed Gein.

Psycho? Texas chainsaw massacre, no? Or is there a Texas chainsaw murderer?

The King of Moo

du Maurier wrote: »

Psycho? Texas chainsaw massacre, no? Or is there a Texas chainsaw murderer?

Texas Chainsaw Murderer is a completely different film where a guy blasts people with lethal amounts of piss for pointing out his typing errors.

Nothing to do with chainsaws, they just wanted to cash in on the original's success.
And Piss Blaster was already the name of a porno.

Ray Palmer

Similar beleif with comics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI8IJA8kdkI

There are two ways to look at this either people are stupid or they are trying to find sense in something that doesn't make sense.

People have done horrendous things prior to the invention of print,film or video games

Corkfeen

Just corrected that link for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI8IJA8kdkI

hidinginthebush

Arely Lazy Threesome wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films#Ireland


1931: Monkey Business was banned because censors feared it would encourage anarchic tendencies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGeVL3Lgkwg

Brain Stroking

Jackobyte wrote: »

Meh, I've seen it. The idea in it was pretty gruesome but graphically, it wasn't that bad.

I recently heard about (NSFW) "A Serbian Film". I never intend to watch it, as it sounds truly horrific, but as shock films go, it seems from the wiki page to be about as bad as they get.

I've seen A Serbian Film twice. It is horrific and difficult to watch in places. I am not into horror or films of that ilk at all but i'll say this: A Serbian Film is the best film i've seen in 2011. So so dark and horrific and sick but true at the same time. I cant put my finger on it. It is to The Human Centipede what Rory McIlroy is to a 50 year old overweight 25 handicap golfer

Miguel_Sanchez

deathrider wrote: »

Pretty sure the flick got banned either way. I had a bastard of a time hunting it down on video back in the day.

I don't think it was banned, I think the distributor may have pulled it to avoid any more controversy.

It certainly wasn't banned in Ireland but as far as I recall Xtravision did take it off their shelves for a while.

Nodin

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I've seen A Serbian Film twice. It is horrific and difficult to watch in places. I am not into horror or films of that ilk at all but i'll say this: A Serbian Film is the best film i've seen in 2011. So so dark and horrific and sick but true at the same time. I cant put my finger on it. It is to The Human Centipede what Rory McIlroy is to a 50 year old overweight 25 handicap golfer

Aye, its allygoryicull or something. But yes, its a serious movie. The other thing is more 'You know what would be sick...?'

In a similar vein, "The Audition" is about attitudes to women in Japanese society, using some deeply unpleasant imagery/notions.

Dravokivich

du Maurier wrote: »

Psycho? Texas chainsaw massacre, no? Or is there a Texas chainsaw murderer?

So I typo'd the name of 1 movie and got the name of another slightly wrong, that makes the point behind my comment irrelevant?

du Maurier

The King of Moo wrote: »

Texas Chainsaw Murderer is a completely different film where a guy blasts people with lethal amounts of piss for pointing out his typing errors.

Nothing to do with chainsaws, they just wanted to cash in on the original's success.
And Piss Blaster was already the name of a porno.

I must get around to that one. Allow me to borrow it if you have a copy:). I was actually just inquiring about the latter though - never know if there might have been spin-offs or whatever.

du Maurier

Dravokivich wrote: »

So I typo'd the name of 1 movie and got the name of another slightly wrong, that makes the point behind my comment irrelevant?

No, not at all. Don't get yer knickers in a twist:pac:. As per the reply above I was genuinely inquiring if there might have been some other flick similarly titled.

The King of Moo

du Maurier wrote: »

I must get around to that one. Allow me to borrow it if you have a copy:). I was actually just inquiring about the latter though - never know if there might have been spin-offs or whatever.

Fair enough so. There is no such film, though there is a rake of pisspoor sequels and remakes to the original, which all contain their fair share of chainsaws and murders. And Texas.