Fuming/Advice

DamienOB

Played an Open yesterday, wont name course! But off 21.4, shot 42pts (My best ever round and first cut), so to say the least i was over the moon.

Went in, entered score, and dropped in card.

Im not on Howdidido but my friend is so he let me log on to see results. First place, 40pts, my name nowhere to be seen.... Rang my friend (Off 1, more experienced at this for advice and said to ring GC) i rang and they said they had nothing on the print outs etc but he'd get admin to ring back. 40 min later a man rings.

Basically said i didnt enter my score, but he had my card. Even though it came up score entered sucessfully on the screen when i did it, and i double checked with lads i played with where i put card. They were there when i did it. Que him saying its not on the print out in front him and that i never entered it, even though i defeinately did. I actually thought who is he to tell me what i did and didnt do?

He was basically blaming me, even though he didnt know full facts, nor did he ring the 2 lads that were there when i did it. HE said nothing he can do, is ringing the software operator tomorrow and if they come back saying it wasnt then i dont get cut or win.... He actually even knows the time i got in at. 16.37, HE TOLD ME THAT...

Im new, its only my 5th competition and would like advice/opinions etc?

PhilipMarlowe

There is no compulsion (under the rules of golf) to enter scores into a computer.
Your card is king.
If they closed the competition on the computer and didn't check the cards then that's not good practice. The computer is there to make things easier...
A closed competition can be amended by the way - if he has your card it is a simple process to undo the competition, add your card and close the competition again.

aster99

I know of something similar in my club, competition results were amended. You're the winner in my book, hopefully you get it sorted without any hassle

Halfprice

well said Licksy. That why we have cards marked and signed...

DamienOB

Thanks for the replies... He was pretty adamant on the computer score been entered, and has now gone and updated the results on howdidido with me down as N/R (I wasnt there before) Ringing club 2000 tomorrow and if they come back saying it wasnt a technical error, which it definately was, he's not changing it

He's going to ring me tomorrow, but i'll be pissed if it sticks, meaning i'll get .1 back and then be off 22... (I practiced 12 rounds in 3 weeks, not entering any comps, to make sure i dont get off 22 and 42pts proved how hard i worked) Gutted i'll be

PhilipMarlowe

I know it's not easy when you're not experienced but...

1. Assuming you signed in properly/entered the competition, played your golf, signed and submitted your card then you can't be considered an N/R.

Your CARD is what the competition is based on.
The computer makes it easier to calculate results and track handicap updates etc. but it is not necessary.
The club have your card - get them to manually input your correct score into their system. Don't accept being fobbed off.

If they want to insist that you MUST enter your scores into the computer, quote Decision 6-6b/8 (Requirement That Score Be Entered into Computer) to them:

Q. May a Committee, as a condition of competition, provide that a competitor must enter his score into a computer?

A. No. Such a condition would modify Rule 6-6b. However, while it is not permissible to penalise a player under the Rules of Golf for failing to enter his score into a computer, a Committee may, in order to assist in the administration of the competition, introduce a “club regulation” to this effect and provide disciplinary sanctions (e.g. ineligibility to play in the next club competition(s)) for failure to act in accordance with the regulation.

mr.mickels

Why don't you name and shame the club, basically they charged you money to enter their event and now they are cheating you. Assuming your card is correct you have to be awarded the 1st prize, otherwise why enter a competition. You should complain to them and perhaps notify the GUI of what happened to your legitimate score. If you don't get the prize then it is bad form on their part, a refund should be expected in that case. It seems you haven't been disqualified so they have simply ignored your score.

There are some right donkeys involved in committees in clubs all over the country, you may well be dealing with such a donkey

PhilipMarlowe

Jaysus mickels, you're some man for the naming and shaming.

It's likely you're not dealing with the person in the know so try and get someone who can help you before you go postal...

k.p.h

Scandalous, seriously how dose this stuff happen. Makes me seriously worry about the state of the sport in Ireland. it's so ****ing Irish this stuff that happens. Their is a serious lack of intelligence and honesty in this country. :mad:

I agree with this Licksy on this one. Just inform them about the rule and politely ask them to amend the scores as you know it is possible. The response should be a polite "we are sorry and will sort it out".

If it's not go ape mr.mickels style.

PhilipMarlowe

Reminds me of this movie... not that I advocate violence or anything

I just want a cut!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eREiQhBDIk

curly from cork

total hijack ( apologies ) If you forget to sign your card, get DQ , then it turns out the comp was reduction only will you still get a point one back ?

upthe19th

Licksy wrote: »

There is no compulsion (under the rules of golf) to enter scores into a computer.
Your card is king.
If they closed the competition on the computer and didn't check the cards then that's not good practice. The computer is there to make things easier...
A closed competition can be amended by the way - if he has your card it is a simple process to undo the competition, add your card and close the competition again.

+1. Play a good few open singles and more often than not, the club's computer system not set up for away entries...although more and more are getting their act together.

Total hogwash to base it on the computer entry...might as well throw in a few more stipulations while they are at it, e.g. player must be over 80 years of age with both their parents alive and well.

Not a big fan of the "name and shame", mistakes happen, call 'em on it and hopefully it gets sorted and doesn't happen again.

mr.mickels

Why shouldn't he name the club, he is perfectly entitled to, as for asking them politely to do the right thing, he has already done that, and he says the guy on the phone was no help.

I would like to know which clubs can't/won't manage their open events correctly so I will avoid spending my money there.

upthe19th

Certainly entitled to and if the club are not willing to admit that a mistake has been made then I too would like to know and not end up in the same situation.

Just saying it would be my last port of call.

Surprising attitude from the club considering clubs at the mo are doing everything in their power to get money in.

DamienOB

Licksy wrote: »

I know it's not easy when you're not experienced but...

1. Assuming you signed in properly/entered the competition, played your golf, signed and submitted your card then you can't be considered an N/R.

Your CARD is what the competition is based on.
The computer makes it easier to calculate results and track handicap updates etc. but it is not necessary.
The club have your card - get them to manually input your correct score into their system. Don't accept being fobbed off.

If they want to insist that you MUST enter your scores into the computer, quote Decision 6-6b/8 (Requirement That Score Be Entered into Computer) to them:

Q. May a Committee, as a condition of competition, provide that a competitor must enter his score into a computer?

A. No. Such a condition would modify Rule 6-6b. However, while it is not permissible to penalise a player under the Rules of Golf for failing to enter his score into a computer, a Committee may, in order to assist in the administration of the competition, introduce a “club regulation” to this effect and provide disciplinary sanctions (e.g. ineligibility to play in the next club competition(s)) for failure to act in accordance with the regulation .

Does this mean: I'd win the comp but lose the right to play nect time, if thats the rule they briought in as a club? And what rules am i quoting there? GUI?

killbillvol2

mr.mickels wrote: »

Why don't you name and shame the club, basically they charged you money to enter their event and now they are cheating you. Assuming your card is correct you have to be awarded the 1st prize, otherwise why enter a competition. You should complain to them and perhaps notify the GUI of what happened to your legitimate score. If you don't get the prize then it is bad form on their part, a refund should be expected in that case. It seems you haven't been disqualified so they have simply ignored your score.

There are some right donkeys involved in committees in clubs all over the country, you may well be dealing with such a donkey

k.p.h wrote: »

Scandalous, seriously how dose this stuff happen. Makes me seriously worry about the state of the sport in Ireland. it's so ****ing Irish this stuff that happens. Their is a serious lack of intelligence and honesty in this country. :mad:

I agree with this Licksy on this one. Just inform them about the rule and politely ask them to amend the scores as you know it is possible. The response should be a polite "we are sorry and will sort it out".


If it's not go ape mr.mickels style.

Clearly two people who have never served on a committee or made a mistake in their lives :rolleyes:

DamienOB wrote: »

Does this mean: I'd win the comp but lose the right to play nect time, if thats the rule they briought in as a club? And what rules am i quoting there? GUI?

It's a rule of golf. The second part is pretty much irrelrvant in your case.

Dr_Colossus

OP you've won the competition and you'll get cut and your prize once you speak to someone in the club who knows what they're talking about.

I played an open day in Westport GC back in windy May and brought in a score of 39pts. There were technical difficulties with the computer when I was trying to input my score, neither I nor my playing partner or the group behind were able to input any scores. When we queried the matter with the pro shop they advised to just drop the cards in the box as they were all that mattered and when the computer was up and running again they'd update it with our scores. We noted on the cards that the computer was offline when trying to input scores. A couple of days later they called me to say I'd won the competition and were looking for an address to post the prize to.

There's always a likelihood of computer glitches and the above is the way the situation should be handled instead of someone saying your score was recorded as a N/R because of technical difficulties. Keep after the club and claim your prize, you've certainly deserved it.

breffnij

Defo need to name and shame the club as many competition secretarys are getting oh so lazy! Card is king as mentioned earlier.

I'm having problems in club regarding getting point one's back. I've shot 30 pts (CSS 35) and 33 pts (CSS 36). Initially told I'm not allowed anymore than a bogey on par 3 as computer will reset this for handicap purposes however in second round mentioned I had no score worse than bogey and still not gotten point one back! I'm off 7.4 at moment so my buffer zone should be 2 strokes within CSS. Any help?

stringy

talk to Joe.

"sure, sure..."

Al Capwned

stringy wrote: »

talk to Joe.

"sure, sure..."

Me screen, me screen is full of callers waiting to talk to Joe. Go on, caller.

lol

Al Capwned

I'm an enthusiastic society golfer, never really took much interest in the politics and running of clubs, but surely this problem is due to the fact that golf is essentially self-policing, and there are always going to be individuals who flaunt this, which i can never understand, because surely every time you look at a aprize thats won by cheating, you'll be reminded of the cheating. I dont see the point - some people need to win at all costs.... Pisses me off no end.

DamienOB

I WON

I did enter my score in the computer, he couldnt find it... I dont think he apologised but i won! Wont play there again however, (Not due to computer glitch, but how Freddie handled it)

Thanks for all the replies, appreciate them

mag

congrats!
'couldnt find it on the computer'....sounds like bull**** on his end

PhilipMarlowe

Good stuff, well done.

I know a similar thing happened one of our club comps where a member input his card, it said score accepted but it disappeared into the ether and his score had to be put in manually afterwards. It was only a point 1 for him but it can and does happen.

MiniGolf

DamienOB wrote: »

I WON

I did enter my score in the computer, he couldnt find it... I dont think he apologised but i won! Wont play there again however, (Not due to computer glitch, but how Freddie handled it)

Thanks for all the replies, appreciate them

Well done on the win and making sure you weren't shafted! (Accidentally or otherwise )

mr.mickels

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Clearly two people who have never served on a committee or made a mistake in their lives :rolleyes:

You are clearly someone who has no idea.

You weren't the comp secretary in the club in question by any chance:rolleyes:

Sean Bateman

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Clearly two people who have never served on a committee or made a mistake in their lives :rolleyes:



It's a rule of golf. The second part is pretty much irrelrvant in your case.

Anyone can make a mistake but an idiot who tries to convince someone that they've NR'd despite submitting an appropriately signed card shouldn't be involved in the running of competitions.

Errors can be okay...idiocy is never okay.

killbillvol2

mr.mickels wrote: »

Why don't you name and shame the club, basically they charged you money to enter their event and now they are cheating you. Assuming your card is correct you have to be awarded the 1st prize, otherwise why enter a competition. You should complain to them and perhaps notify the GUI of what happened to your legitimate score. If you don't get the prize then it is bad form on their part, a refund should be expected in that case. It seems you haven't been disqualified so they have simply ignored your score.

There are some right donkeys involved in committees in clubs all over the country, you may well be dealing with such a donkey

k.p.h wrote: »

Scandalous, seriously how dose this stuff happen. Makes me seriously worry about the state of the sport in Ireland. it's so ****ing Irish this stuff that happens. Their is a serious lack of intelligence and honesty in this country. :mad:
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Sean Bateman wrote: »

Anyone can make a mistake but an idiot who tries to convince someone that they've NR'd despite submitting an appropriately signed card shouldn't be involved in the running of competitions.

Errors can be okay...idiocy is never okay.

My issue is with the ludicrous over-reactions here. The OP said "a man" rang him. It could have been the barman for all we know. In any case someone in the club obviously looked at the situation, saw the error and rectified it.

killbillvol2

mr.mickels wrote: »

You are clearly someone who has no idea.

You weren't the comp secretary in the club in question by any chance:rolleyes:

I'm devastated and silenced by your witty riposte. :rolleyes:

k.p.h

killbillvol2 wrote: »

My issue is with the ludicrous over-reactions here. The OP said "a man" rang him. It could have been the barman for all we know. In any case someone in the club obviously looked at the situation, saw the error and rectified it.

I was referring to "stuff". As in a culmination of different instances of errors similar to the one the original OP posted. This instance everything panned out OK. I still think their is a abundant lack of intelligence in the country

DamienOB

killbillvol2 wrote: »

My issue is with the ludicrous over-reactions here. The OP said "a man" rang him. It could have been the barman for all we know. In any case someone in the club obviously looked at the situation, saw the error and rectified it.

The man was the bloke doing the competition results? He was an arrogant, condescending man, who wasnt willing to listen to me, was adamant i didnt enter my score. HE DEFINATELY should not be allowed run events. Some social skills would be required for a job like this

cadobady

the thing is - its not a job per se - its most likely a volunteer

due to being straped for cash - clubs up and down and surviving on members being generous with their time.

quite often, those with more time on their hands are retired persons - who may not be as aufait with computer systems as other - dont know if thats the case here

anyway - the point is - isn't there enough to be getting angry about - other than a midweek open competition and a voucher for maybe €70

finally - on realising his error (or computer) error - if the guy was an ass - he could easily have ignored and covered it up - he didn't - he put a wrong - right!!

DamienOB

cadobady wrote: »

the thing is - its not a job per se - its most likely a volunteer

due to being straped for cash - clubs up and down and surviving on members being generous with their time.

quite often, those with more time on their hands are retired persons - who may not be as aufait with computer systems as other - dont know if thats the case here

anyway - the point is - isn't there enough to be getting angry about - other than a midweek open competition and a voucher for maybe €70

finally - on realising his error (or computer) error - if the guy was an ass - he could easily have ignored and covered it up - he didn't - he put a wrong - right!!

Definately his job, found out through member!

Angry? I was disappointed that they were denying my first victory and cut, but i wasnt angry. However i was angry with how he handled it, how he spoke to me, and he can right all the wrongs he wants, doesn't mean he can treat paying customers badly. oherwise, soon enough, he wont have anyone there to treat badly. Nothing to do with golf or a €70 voucher, its manners.

Even if it was a volunteer, doesnt give him a right to speak in a condescending manner and with a severe attitude. VOLUNTEERS still have an obligation to represent the club they are helping out.

Dr_Colossus

Given the attitude of the person involved and that you mentioned that you won't play there again because of it I'd suggest writing a letter to the club complaining about the person involved and his treatment of the situation. Maybe if enough people complain of such situations there will be less of these condescending and arrogant people in customer relation type roles.

Absolutely agree any customer facing representative of the club should be somewhat amicable, approachable and pleasant to deal with. There are some fantastic people involved with golf clubs around the country and it only takes one to leave a mad impression of that club. Mistakes will always be made and that's no big issue since they can be resolved, it's the matter and manner in which they are involved that's important though.

mr.mickels

killbillvol2 wrote: »

My issue is with the ludicrous over-reactions here. The OP said "a man" rang him. It could have been the barman for all we know. In any case someone in the club obviously looked at the situation, saw the error and rectified it.

I for one couldn't care less about your issues. Irrelevant!!!

joanmul

mr.mickels wrote: »

I for one couldn't care less about your issues. Irrelevant!!!

Wow mickels you ARE all hot and bothered!