why is the north side so dirty?

Fuinseog

maybe the south side is as well, but I tend to operate more north of the Liffey than I do south of it.
its the first thing that strikes me when I come into the train station and go around teh Talbot Street area. There is rubbish everywhere and even if people did want to throw away rubbish the bins are overflowing. there is spit, **** and blood on the footpaths. if you happen to be dragging a suitcase you need to disinfect it before bringing it int the flat.
any reason for the incredible amount of filth?

RandolphEsq

Joey the lips

I am guessing all the partying etc the weekend. That will explain the blood.

The rubbish...I imagine the city council concentrates there efforts on o con street and grafton street as these are the tourist areas after that...
Who knows.

I imagine since the bin charges came in normal bins are being used for domestic waste and TBH the council was warned of this so its there own fault.

Fuinseog

Joey the lips wrote: »

I am guessing all the partying etc the weekend. That will explain the blood.

The rubbish...I imagine the city council concentrates there efforts on o con street and grafton street as these are the tourist areas after that...
Who knows.

I imagine since the bin charges came in normal bins are being used for domestic waste and TBH the council was warned of this so its there own fault.

a lot of tourists are in the Talbot sreet area as well, but the rubbish there is overwhelming.

John_Rambo

Do you disinfect your shoes every time you bring them in to the flat?

When I am in the city for a weekend I will often come it to the city on Saturday morning for coffee, a bit of shopping, some lunch and maybe meet up with a few people. I will either get a Dart in or drive and park in the Ilac Centre. I would knock around the Italian Quarter, Arnotts, Jervis, Henry St, coffee on Abbey st., Asian Markets opposite the Church for herbs and spices before heading Southside on a Dublin bike.

I take notice of my surroundings, I'm fairly visually aware and I have to say this "incredible amount of filth with blood and spit on the footpaths" is somewhat exaggerated, I know it's to be expected on the ever popular Dublin Northside bashing threads. Yeah, the Northside of the city is a bit grimier, there are druggies, there are beggars (both chancers and homeless)...

But some people are a bit hysterical.

old hippy

Fuinseog wrote: »

maybe the south side is as well, but I tend to operate more north of the Liffey than I do south of it.
its the first thing that strikes me when I come into the train station and go around teh Talbot Street area. There is rubbish everywhere and even if people did want to throw away rubbish the bins are overflowing. there is spit, **** and blood on the footpaths. if you happen to be dragging a suitcase you need to disinfect it before bringing it int the flat.
any reason for the incredible amount of filth?

It's down to all those southsiders, re-locating...

Fuinseog

John_Rambo wrote: »

Do you disinfect your shoes every time you bring them in to the flat?

When I am in the city for a weekend I will often come it to the city on Saturday morning for coffee, a bit of shopping, some lunch and maybe meet up with a few people. I will either get a Dart in or drive and park in the Ilac Centre. I would knock around the Italian Quarter, Arnotts, Jervis, Henry St, coffee on Abbey st., Asian Markets opposite the Church for herbs and spices before heading Southside on a Dublin bike.

I take notice of my surroundings, I'm fairly visually aware and I have to say this "incredible amount of filth with blood and spit on the footpaths" is somewhat exaggerated, I know it's to be expected on the ever popular Dublin Northside bashing threads. Yeah, the Northside of the city is a bit grimier, there are druggies, there are beggars (both chancers and homeless)...

But some people are a bit hysterical.

like most people I take off my shoes entering someones home. its more awkward if your suitcase is dragged through the filth.

you did not mention Talbot Street, which is the prime example of a filthy street and also as I have mentioned a tourist area. right beside it is Marlborough street with its junkies. they should be moved on.

This thread should not be seen as as North side bashing, although there is a significant number of undesirables in the D1 area. The social welfare office there is also the busiest in the country. they should really be transferred to the city limits.

old hippy

Fuinseog wrote: »

This thread should not be seen as as North side bashing, although there is a significant number of undesirables in the D1 area. The social welfare office there is also the busiest in the country. they should really be transferred to the city limits.

So it's not a North side bashing excercise, it's a claimants bashing thread.

admiralofthefleet

DCC have a lot to answer for when you consider that they have always neglected the north of the city
saying that, the area around charlemont street flats on the southside is very run down

wixfjord

The footpath between Centra Nth King St, and the Church St Crossroads has to be the dirtiest in the whole city.
It's hilariously bad.
Rubbish, dog ****, random pieces of car tyres are all regulars.

I was never one for the Southside Northside bashing thing, having lived on the Northside for most of my time in Dublin, but there definitely is much more of a rubbish problem, whether that's because of the residents, or the DCC.

copeyhagen

Fuinseog wrote: »

like most people I take off my shoes entering someones home. .

errrr, your not from dublin are you? like most people. what are you basing that. are you asian?

jossnjuice

ibtl.

Fuinseog

jossnjuice wrote: »

ibtl.

English please

dizzywizlw

The only rubbish or similar that I've seen on Talbot street is that which the shops leave out for the binmen, it's not that bad at all OP

jossnjuice

Fuinseog wrote: »

English please

In before the lock.........the only way i can see this panning out is yet another Northside/ Southside melee.

wyndham

Fuinseog wrote: »

The social welfare office there is also the busiest in the country. they should really be transferred to the city limits.

The busiest social welfare local office in the country is in Cork and the second busiest is in Anne Street, Wexford

Fuinseog

jossnjuice wrote: »

In before the lock.........the only way i can see this panning out is yet another Northside/ Southside melee.

thanks for the explanation. I believe there was an article in the Indo about a month ago on the same topic.

As I said its not northside bashing. I have made clear that I live on the northside and also areas such as Clontarf and Santry are immaculate.

it would appear that Henry Street is quite clean, but Talbot street is not. It also has a disturbing amount of undesirables. could they not move the clinic more towards the edge of the city and have more guards going along the boardwalk, a nice spot by the way, but who wants to be around junkies? I mean what kind of image of Dublin does this give visitors?

old hippy

copeyhagen wrote: »

errrr, your not from dublin are you? like most people. what are you basing that. are you asian?

Can't speak for himself but I'm a Dubliner and have always done that

It's commonplace in Japan, I know that. Who wants the streets debris trailed through your domicile anyways?

old hippy

Fuinseog wrote: »

thanks for the explanation. I believe there was an article in the Indo about a month ago on the same topic.

As I said its not northside bashing. I have made clear that I live on the northside and also areas such as Clontarf and Santry are immaculate.

it would appear that Henry Street is quite clean, but Talbot street is not. It also has a disturbing amount of undesirables. could they not move the clinic more towards the edge of the city and have more guards going along the boardwalk, a nice spot by the way, but who wants to be around junkies? I mean what kind of image of Dublin does this give visitors?

Undersirables versus NIMBYism. The age old conflict. What kind of image do junkies give visitors? That Dublin is a city like any other the world over, I imagine.

Phenomenally Phrank

Personally i would build fortified meth clinics in the isolated parts of the country, with big high walls that keep the junkies in. Fine you can have your meth, but you're not leaving the place til you've cleaned up your act.And if you so much as get back on gear as soon as you're released, then you're back down here for life, ****o.

Fuinseog

old hippy wrote: »

Undersirables versus NIMBYism. The age old conflict. What kind of image do junkies give visitors? That Dublin is a city like any other the world over, I imagine.

Not every big city has druggies and other undesirables. I feel very safe in Belfast and Cork. I am sure both have their share of undesirables but they are not in the city centre . people avoid streets with such people which is a pity cos Talbot street has a lot to offer.

old hippy

Phenomenally Phrank wrote: »

Personally i would build fortified meth clinics in the isolated parts of the country, with big high walls that keep the junkies in. Fine you can have your meth, but you're not leaving the place til you've cleaned up your act.And if you so much as get back on gear as soon as you're released, then you're back down here for life, ****o.

Lob the alcoholics, beggars and ne'er do wells in as well? Why stop there; litter louts have a lot to answer for.

jossnjuice

Fuinseog wrote: »

As I said its not northside bashing.

im not saying you were, not in the slightest......its just that ive seen loads of threads that ended up like it, so presumed that this one was going to end up the same way....thankfully there seems to be intelligent conversation this time around rather than the usual s**te that gets talked when the topic of North/South comes up, which makes me

pawrick

lived off talbot street up until about two years ago and I still work on it.

The area around Talbot street is an embarrasment, all the tourists seem to pass through it and it just does nothing to make them want to come back for a longer visit.

Litter - the council have clearners every morning cleaning the area - the machines used to wake me which is why I moved (or at least they used to).
Cleaning the area is pointless from the way I've seen the locals treating it both young and old. I just can't stand to see parents throw litter on the ground with their kids in tow as they pass by a bin, their kids will probably grow up to be the same.

I've lived in many area of the city and Talbot street area has a lot going for it as it is a beside the main transport hubs - just a pity to see it in decline for so long and a lot has to do with the locals them selves bringing the area down.

The main thing that does need to be fixed though is the amount of junkies hanging around, they have their regular spots in the area to agree prices- beside the spar shop on corner of marlborough st is one and then they go beside the greesy spoon nearby to trade if not right on the street- guards chat with them a few times a day as they walk by but that's it unless they start fighting or stab each other which happens from time to time as I have seen.

Coriolanus

It is, unfortunately, because the Irish generally have little to no respect for their surroundings. It's not just a Dublin thing, towns around the country are filthy. And then you take a nice drive up into, say the Dublin mountains and you can spot black bags of rubbish dumped.
What goes through peoples minds, I don't know. "Hey honey, lets go for a nice drive" "Oh yeah, maybe up by Jonny Foxes, the views are really nice." "Sure, grab a few bags of rubbish there, we'll get rid of them while enjoying the view."

TommyTippee

Northsiders drop more litter than southsiders. Not just the city centre, check out their suburbs too.....most are filthy. Don't know why they do, but they do.

Fuinseog

pawrick wrote: »

lived off talbot street up until about two years ago and I still work on it.

The area around Talbot street is an embarrasment, all the tourists seem to pass through it and it just does nothing to make them want to come back for a longer visit.

Litter - the council have clearners every morning cleaning the area - the machines used to wake me which is why I moved (or at least they used to).
Cleaning the area is pointless from the way I've seen the locals treating it both young and old. I just can't stand to see parents throw litter on the ground with their kids in tow as they pass by a bin, their kids will probably grow up to be the same.

I've lived in many area of the city and Talbot street area has a lot going for it as it is a beside the main transport hubs - just a pity to see it in decline for so long and a lot has to do with the locals them selves bringing the area down.

The main thing that does need to be fixed though is the amount of junkies hanging around, they have their regular spots in the area to agree prices- beside the spar shop on corner of marlborough st is one and then they go beside the greesy spoon nearby to trade if not right on the street- guards chat with them a few times a day as they walk by but that's it unless they start fighting or stab each other which happens from time to time as I have seen.

in fairness there are few rubbish bins in Talbot Street and those that do exist are overflowing. The street has potential. you get a lot of good bargains on it, but the junkies do not encourage people to go there. I have seen the guards lifting one or two of them but there are just so many of them.
I pity the staff in that Spar. I was in there once and a junkie was sneezing all over the place without putting his hand over his face. I fled.

the clinic should really be moved elsewhere.

there are some decent apartments in the area, but junkies are getting in to these and shooting up in the stairwell. who wants that?

Fuinseog

Nevore wrote: »

It is, unfortunately, because the Irish generally have little to no respect for their surroundings. It's not just a Dublin thing, towns around the country are filthy. And then you take a nice drive up into, say the Dublin mountains and you can spot black bags of rubbish dumped.
What goes through peoples minds, I don't know. "Hey honey, lets go for a nice drive" "Oh yeah, maybe up by Jonny Foxes, the views are really nice." "Sure, grab a few bags of rubbish there, we'll get rid of them while enjoying the view."

traditionally the bog was a dumping ground, even in the eighties this was acceptable. there are Dubs, especially hill walkers, who go into the hills and pick up rubbish.

there is of course also the culture of dependency, whereby you get everything from the state, but do not have to give anything back. This is unfortunately strong in D1. there is no pride in the area.

The liberties would also be a working class area, supposedly dangerous with drug addicts (I read this in a guide book called The Gothic Tour of Dublin) about the place, but I fail to see the same amount of rubbish there.

Fuinseog

wyndham wrote: »

The busiest social welfare local office in the country is in Cork and the second busiest is in Anne Street, Wexford

source?

John_Rambo

Fuinseog wrote: »

The social welfare office there is also the busiest in the country

Source?

old hippy

TommyTippee wrote: »

Northsiders drop more litter than southsiders. Not just the city centre, check out their suburbs too.....most are filthy. Don't know why they do, but they do.

Unsubstantiated bs

TommyTippee

old hippy wrote: »

Unsubstantiated bs

Yes of course, that old chestnut.

Here's your substance....take an average Saturday morning. Walk around the Northside with your eyes open (this bit is important).

Repeat process on the Southside.

Repeat process on Sunday morning.

One can see more litter on the Northside than on the South.

old hippy

TommyTippee wrote: »

Yes of course, that old chestnut.

Here's your substance....take an average Saturday morning. Walk around the Northside with your eyes open (this bit is important).

Repeat process on the Southside.

Repeat process on Sunday morning.

One can see more litter on the Northside than on the South.

Don't live there anymore but am very familiar with both "sides" and they are exactly the same with litter levels.

You should brush the mucus of prejudice from thine own eyes, my friend.

admiralofthefleet

TommyTippee wrote: »

Yes of course, that old chestnut.

Here's your substance....take an average Saturday morning. Walk around the Northside with your eyes open (this bit is important).

Repeat process on the Southside.

Repeat process on Sunday morning.

One can see more litter on the Northside than on the South.

have you seen wexford street/aungier street/south great georges street on a sunday morning? filthy

John_Rambo

TommyTippee wrote: »

One can see more litter on the Northside than on the South.

You have trawled all the suburbs, from Neilstown to Jobstown? Your posts are full of sheite.

TommyTippee

John_Rambo wrote: »

You have trawled all the suburbs, from Neilstown to Jobstown? Your posts are full of sheite.

Northside is worse than the south...get over it

old hippy

TommyTippee wrote: »

Northside is worse than the south...get over it

Source?

TommyTippee

old hippy wrote: »

Source?

My eyes.

S23

Fuinseog wrote: »

The liberties would also be a working class area, supposedly dangerous with drug addicts (I read this in a guide book called The Gothic Tour of Dublin) about the place, but I fail to see the same amount of rubbish there.

I used to live in the liberties. It's just as filthy as an other city centre area and the place is absolutely f*king rife with junkies and scumbags.

As for the absolute nonsense about the southside being cleaner than the northside. Do me a f*king favour. Both sides have equally clean and dirty areas.

For every run down dump of an area on the northside it has a southside counterpart. Ridiculous to single out one side of the city as being far dirtier than the other or whatever else. Absolute boll*cks of the highest order and not what I think the OP intended either I may add.

Coriolanus

I give thee Tallaght and Howth.

TommyTippee

S23 wrote: »

Both sides have equally clean and dirty areas.

Hmmm...you see I don't think they're equal.

And I'm inclined to think that the Northside is worse.

Crazy I know, but political correctness can only go so far.

_blank_

TommyTippee wrote: »

Hmmm...you see I don't think they're equal.

And I'm inclined to think that the Northside is worse.

Crazy I know, but political correctness can only go so far.

you had a number of posts in this thread, three of them unwelcome and infracted.

Take a ban buddy.

Everyone else, this thread is on thin ice.

I've seen words like "scumbag" being used, reel it in lads.

Keep it civil, I actually think the state of the Talbot St area is worth discussing, let's do it properly eh?

AnalogueKid

As somebody who grew up on both the Northside and Southside (I don't consider myself either) I really think this 'divide' is a load of nonsense. The Northside is way smaller than the Southside for a start. The South has Jobstown whilst the North has Howth.

I don't know which is worse, the snobs from the Southside who deride all things working-class or the Northsiders who harp on as if they've just been liberated from Belsen. Those Northsiders who go on about their Northsideriness all the time tend to come from middle class parts of Raheny and Glasnevin anyway.

The Northside is generally a bit more litter-strewn than the Southside, by the way. Just open your eyes and get off your high-horses!

John_Rambo

The area is not perfect, the OP's general swipe at the Northside is slightly true. but I feel he is trolling a bit. One part of a city is always going to be marginally dirtier than the other! The cheaper the rent, the grimier the streets. That's a fact of life and every single city in the world has a Talbot st. We may not see them on holiday, but it's true, they do. You want cheap clothes, restaurants, food etc.. you gotta live with a bit of dirt, it's a city.

Price some books in Chapters on Parnell st., compare the prices with some of the South side book shops...

These deluded idea's of "moving them on" about vagrants, users and homeless people are silly. They will move straight back to the city where there is shelter, people to beg from, shops to rob and drugs and booze.

I'm not simply shrugging my shoulders and saying that's the way it is, DCC, and the Gardai are slacking off, it's obvious, we can see that in with our own eyes. Drug abuse and littering is evident.

The only answer I can come up with is good policing and a proper service from DCC. Accountability has to come in to play and a seismic shift in attitude from our public servants has to come about.

The few hard working, diligent ones are not making enough of a difference.

diddlybit

Honestly the levels of street cleaning differ immensely between areas that get a lot of tourism and those that don't. The council is lazy when it comes to cleaning certain areas of the the city and whether this is divided by Northside/Southside who knows.

I lived in the centre of Temple Bar for a while and no matter how much puke/p**s/rubbish was on the streets, when I got up the next morning, I could have eaten my dinner off the streets. The street cleaners were going all night and even after Paddy's Day, you would never have known that our street was ankle deep in filth the night before.

Living in Stoneybatter now, which is a great area, just a little on teh grimey side. Following the horse markets it takes an age to clear the horse manure off the streets, for at least a week afterwards, it's a constant game of dodge the horse crap.

How the council can ensure Temple Bar is spakling after Paddy's Day and every morning but cannot locate some resources to Stoneybatter once a month is beyond me. Their approach to here is probably along the same vein as Talbot Street, but that is, I have no idea. I do have a niggling feeling, however, that Ranelagh and Ballsbridge never have to contend with overflowing bins or week old piles of horse crap.

Ste.phen

diddlybit wrote: »

How the council can ensure Temple Bar is spakling after Paddy's Day and every morning but cannot locate some resources to Stoneybatter once a month is beyond me. Their approach to here is probably along the same vein as Talbot Street, but that is, I have no idea. I do have a niggling feeling, however, that Ranelagh and Ballsbridge never have to contend with overflowing bins or week old piles of horse crap.

I understand that a lot of the cleaning resources used in temple bar are funded by the businesses in temple bar, in addition to what the council do

[Jackass]

To be honest, I find a massive difference between north side and south side. I don't know what it is, but from crossing over the bridge, straight away there's a difference, and the North side is just a far less attractive, much dirtier side of the city.

This runs in to the suburbs too, where for the most part (and of course there are exceptions) the south side suburbs generally are far nicer and much better kept.

I don't know if this is to do with the council or the people, but having spent years living on both sides of the city, where at all possible, I rarely find a need to venture to the north side any more, even from shopping to night life to living, to visiting things, almost all seems infinitely more pleasant on the south side.

Again, not saying this is anything to do with the people, but for some reason, in my opinion, the south side is a world apart, and a much nicer world apart, from the north side in almost every aspect.

(and this isn't a posh southsider vs northside knacker bullsh*t thing, this is just plain fact as far as I see it)

John_Rambo

Henry St. Saturday morning. No overflowing bins, no pools of blood and spit...

Fuinseog

TommyTippee wrote: »

Hmmm...you see I don't think they're equal.

And I'm inclined to think that the Northside is worse.

Crazy I know, but political correctness can only go so far.

I had a junkie break into my flat when was living southside, a southside junkie. never happened in the northside.

Maybe they were on holiday but I never saw junkies and scumbags in Malahide and Portmarnock, the so called southern colonies of the northside.
maybe we cannot generalise. i am not a dub. Tallaght is both a ****hole and a lovely place, depending on the area. the difficulty is for the outsider to recognise which is which.

Fuinseog

John_Rambo wrote: »

Henry St. Saturday morning. No overflowing bins, no pools of blood and spit...

Now throw up a few photos of Talbot Street

John_Rambo

Fuinseog wrote: »

Now throw up a few photos of Talbot Street

I'm a bit busy in work at the moment Fuinseog, if you really want to prove a point, why don't you go and do it yourself?

I have posted up a photo of a spotless Henry st. The main shopping area and thoroughfare of Dublin's North city centre on a summers Saturday morning. Can you not acknowledge the fact that the bins are empty and it's clean as a whistle?