Billy Davies, Steve Mclaren and now Mcleish!

joe123

On the phone but breaking news Mcleish leaves Birmingham and is favourite for the villa job and Steve Mclaren is in talks with forest after sacking Billy Davies!

It's all gone a bit mad!

eh i dunno

McLeish heading for Villa apparently

Paully D

The Villa fans should have kept their mouth shut about McClaren.

It would be hilarious if they ended up with McLeish and McClaren went to Forest.

joe123

Good move for villa and Mcleish IMO.

Very harsh on Billy Davies though regarding the Forrest job.

Kiwi_knock

Can only imagine that McLeish left as he has a job lined up, so it is most likely with Aston Villa or an outside chance for the Chelsea job.

Paully D

Roy Keane for the Forest job?

JPA

McCleish to Everton, I hope...

newballsplease

Is mcClaren not a bit of a disaster of a manager?

JPA

Paully D wrote: »

Roy Keane for the Forest job?

They are in talks with McClaren.

Paully D

newballsplease wrote: »

Is mcClaren not a bit of a disaster of a manager?

McClaren is a very, very good manager who doesn't get the plaudits he deserves because of his England stint.

Paully D

JPA wrote: »

They are in talks with McClaren.

Absolutely superb appointment for them if it happens.

jaykay74

Villa would be better off with mcclaren than mcleish imo

joe123

newballsplease wrote: »

Is mcClaren not a bit of a disaster of a manager?

Granted he was bad with England, did well with boro and won the Dutch league with fc twente. Finished mid table with Wolfsburg though so its hard judge him really.

JPA

Paully D wrote: »

The Villa fans should have kept their mouth shut about McClaren.

It would be hilarious if they ended up with McLeish and McClaren went to Forest.

Don't believe everything you read.

Oat23

joe123 wrote: »

Granted he was bad with England, did well with boro and won the Dutch league with fc twente. Finished mid table with Wolfsburg though so its hard judge him really.

They were flirting with relegation when he left tbh. Just a point above the drop zone.

joe123

I think Mcleish could do very well at villa though. He lost his top cb in Scott Dann and hadn't the forwards to score the goals once they weakened defensively last season.

joe123

Oatesy23 wrote: »

They were flirting with relegation when he left tbh. Just a point above the drop zone.

Yikes didn't know that. Forrest would be a good move for both parties so. A club who will be wanting promotion with a potentially very good manager.

If I was a villa fan I'd rather Mcleish than Mclaren to be honest.

jaykay74

joe123 wrote: »

I think Mcleish could do very well at villa though. He lost his top cb in Scott Dann and hadn't the forwards to score the goals once they weakened defensively last season.

I always thought villa fans wanted good football. Mcleish specialises in backs to the wall dour stuff.

Headshot

Paully D wrote: »

McClaren is a very, very good manager who doesn't get the plaudits he deserves because of his England stint.

He did an awful job with Wolfsburg a team that should be near relegation

Paully D

Headshot wrote: »

He did an awful job with Wolfsburg a team that should be near relegation

He got 'Boro to a UEFA Cup final and won a Carling Cup with them too. They were virtually always a comfortable Premier League team under his management and look where they are now!

Yes he should have better with England, but they were vastly overrated and aren't exactly tearing up trees under Capello (who's classed as one of the best club managers of all-time). Look at how well Croatia and Russia did at the Euro 2008 championship and it shows that it wasn't exactly an easy group to progress from.

He guided FC Twente to their first ever league title and got them to a domestic cup final too. He had the balls to go abroad to improve unlike virtually all of his peers who won't leave the country except for a 2 week holiday at the end of the season.

Fair enough he didn't do too well at Wolfsburg, but it would have been tough for him in terms of language etc and he was only given about 3 months before people started getting on his back.

He's won more top level silverware in a decade as manager than say, for example, Harry Redknapp has in almost 3 decades.

He deserves another chance in England and he'd have been a good appointment for Villa, IMO.

Headshot

Paully D wrote: »

He got 'Boro to a UEFA Cup final and won a Carling Cup with them too. They were virtually always a comfortable Premier League team under his management and look where they are now!

Yes he should have better with England, but they were vastly overrated and aren't exactly tearing up trees under Capello (who's classed as one of the best club managers of all-time). Look at how well Croatia and Russia did at the Euro 2008 championship and it shows that it wasn't exactly an easy group to progress from.

He guided FC Twente to their first ever league title and got them to a domestic cup final too. He had the balls to go abroad to improve unlike virtually all of his peers who won't leave the country except for a 2 week holiday at the end of the season.

Fair enough he didn't do too well at Wolfsburg, but it would have been tough for him in terms of language etc and he was only given about 3 months before people started getting on his back.

He deserves another chance in England and he'd have been a good appointment for Villa, IMO.

He was awful at wolfsburg thou, I cant stress that enough :pac:. I dont really take note of past accomplishments like the boro stuff. Now he did a find job in Netherlands thou

If he goes to villa its a big step down for Villa. They deserve alot better than Mc Claren

lordgoat

Paully D wrote: »

He got 'Boro to a UEFA Cup final and won a Carling Cup with them too. They were virtually always a comfortable Premier League team under his management and look where they are now!

Yes he should have better with England, but they were vastly overrated and aren't exactly tearing up trees under Capello (who's classed as one of the best club managers of all-time). Look at how well Croatia and Russia did at the Euro 2008 championship and it shows that it wasn't exactly an easy group to progress from.

He guided FC Twente to their first ever league title and got them to a domestic cup final too. He had the balls to go abroad to improve unlike virtually all of his peers who won't leave the country except for a 2 week holiday at the end of the season.

Fair enough he didn't do too well at Wolfsburg, but it would have been tough for him in terms of language etc and he was only given about 3 months before people started getting on his back.

He's won more top level silverware in a decade as manager than say, for example, Harry Redknapp has in almost 3 decades.

He deserves another chance in England and he'd have been a good appointment for Villa, IMO.

Well said P, for some reason winning the dutch league isn't that big a deal!

Bounty Hunter

McClaren could have been good at Villa, but thats not happening, hopefully neither is McLeish to Villa. Secret agent jokes aside, the manager of Villa's local rivals who just saw his team relegated from the league shouldnt be the best we can get.

Moyes to Villa, McLeish to Everton, Billy Davies to Brum, and Forest to get lucky and bring in McClaren? McClaren could look good moreso with Forest than with a lot of other current bigger names though. Restoring a great name back to premiership football would be another nice notch on his CV.

Mr. Guappa

I'd be shocked if Villa went for McLeish.. would be a horrible appointment for them.

mike65

I'd sooner have McClaren than McLeish any day. Villa are clueless.

Oat23

He got poor results at Wolfsburg but he wasn't given a proper chance after the winter break. Nobody expected him to be given time since the people in charge at Wolves don't have patience. It's not like his replacement did any better either...They were in the relegation zone for about 20 minutes at one point on the final day.

I remember reading an article somewhere a few weeks back that said McLaren's job at Wolfsburg doesn't look as bad now that 2 more managers have come in since he left and done worse than him.

jesus_thats_gre

Is it not a big scumbaggy to quit after the club that you manage gets relegated?

Bounty Hunter

mike65 wrote: »

I'd sooner have McClaren than McLeish any day. Villa are clueless.

lets wait till actions happen before they are judged eh mike

Headshot

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Is it not a big scumbaggy to quit after the club that you manage gets relegated?

He was pushed

Paully D

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Is it not a big scumbaggy to quit after the club that you manage gets relegated?

To be honest, most Birmingham fans won't be sorry to see him go!

Mr. Guappa

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Is it not a big scumbaggy to quit after the club that you manage gets relegated?

It's better than hanging on waiting to be sacked to ensure that you get a nice pay-off.

mike65

They have already shown themselves to be less than clever to be honest. I know Benitez isn't everyone's cuppa (fair enough) but if for the sake of a 30 million spend you missed him and end up with Mcleish then the club will deserve all it gets.

Bounty Hunter

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Is it not a big scumbaggy to quit after the club that you manage gets relegated?

In a way this story kinda reminds me of Harry Redknapp at Pompey/Southampton and for that reason I dont think it will happen (him going to Villa that is). Really think Villa wouldent do that sort of thing.

stumpypeeps

Any thoughts on Billy Davies getting the Villa job? I think he could be the best appointment of the 3.

Bounty Hunter

mike65 wrote: »

They have already shown themselves to be less than clever to be honest. I know Benitez isn't everyone's cuppa (fair enough) but if for the sake of a 30 million spend you missed him and end up with Mcleish then the club will deserve all it gets.

please stop believing complete garbage that comes from newspapers. Villa as far as i know did have contact with Rafa but at no point did it get anywhere near talking about transfer budgets etc. Thats coming from the only reputable Villa ITK.

Papers also say that the Villa position is one that has now been turned down by Martinez, yet the Official Villa website said that he was never actually offered the job.

cmon folks Papers talk b*llocks 90% of the time, they are just guessing, dont take it as fact

Bounty Hunter

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Any thoughts on Billy Davies getting the Villa job? I think he could be the best appointment of the 3.

my first thought would be no thanks and i'd probably suggest that we dont appoint one of the 3. If we have to McClaren would be by far the best bet imo but he still wouldent be who I would pick.

MisterAnarchy

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

I'd be shocked if Villa went for McLeish.. would be a horrible appointment for them.

He is an awful manager and his teams are awful to watch.
Hopefully we wont have to see his ugly mug in the EPL next season.
This time last year McLeish was being linked with the Liverpool job

Guy:Incognito

Paully D wrote: »

McClaren is a very, very good manager who doesn't get the plaudits he deserves because of his England stint.

And his comedy Dutch accent.:)

Kiwi_knock

Headshot wrote: »

He was pushed

No way was McLeish pushed, left of his own accord. I do not blame the board at all for his resignation, was entirely up to McLeish to leave.

Headshot

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

No way was McLeish pushed, left of his own accord. I do not blame the board at all for his resignation, was entirely up to McLeish to leave.

The owners hate him and the amount of grief he got from them, no wonder he left

Kiwi_knock

Headshot wrote: »

The owners hate him and the amount of grief he got from them, no wonder he left

He was hated more by the previous owners who constantly undermined him, and he did not resign then so I do not agree that the Board had anything to do with it.

Paully D

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

He was hated more by the previous owners who constantly undermined him, and he did not resign then so I do not agree that the Board had anything to do with it.

They did the same with Bruce and then Grant at West Ham. I agree with you, if the board were going to sack him they'd have done it weeks ago. He's obviously been tapped up a club who've offered him the position, left of his own accord and he'll take the new job in a few days time.

Headshot

What ever the truth behind it, it was pretty low to rescind by email
Cowardly you might say

mike65

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Papers also say that the Villa position is one that has now been turned down by Martinez, yet the Official Villa website said that he was never actually offered the job.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13704421.stm

"Roberto met with his chairman [Dave Whelan] earlier this week and has made the decision to honour his commitment to Wigan," read a Villa statement.

"Therefore, we have not met Roberto and we have not had the chance to discuss the vacant managerial role with him."

Whelan was confident former Swansea manager Martinez would stay at his club, despite giving him the option to hold talks with Villa, and he has been proven right.

"The club would like to thank Wigan and its chairman, Dave Whelan, for their professionalism in dealing with our request to speak to Roberto Martinez," said the Villa statement./

/"Roberto's qualities as a young and aspirational manager ensured him of a position high on our short list of potential new managers.

"Given that he had one year remaining on his contract at Wigan, we made an official approach through the proper channels, though we were aware of a commitment he had made to his club to agree and sign a new contract following the final game of last season."

JPA

mike65 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13704421.stm

And? You are just backing up Bounty Hunter, he was offered the chance to interview, not offered a job.

Bounty Hunter

mike65 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13704421.stm

not sure if your agreeing with me now or not but the important thing is that Villa said "we have not met Roberto and we have not had the chance to discuss the vacant managerial role with him.", they did request to talk to him though as I would assume they may have a few managers, doesent mean he was going to be offered the job. Wigan/Martinez just got some good PR from it tis all

stumpypeeps

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

not sure if your agreeing with me now or not but the important thing is that Villa said "we have not met Roberto and we have not had the chance to discuss the vacant managerial role with him.", they did request to talk to him though as I would assume they may have a few managers, doesent mean he was going to be offered the job. Wigan/Martinez just got some good PR from it tis all

I think its bizarre they even considered him.

seafood dunleavy

Delighted for Davies after the way he treated Kelvin Wilson.

Bounty Hunter

stumpypeeps wrote: »

I think its bizarre they even considered him.

there was a lot of speculation Villa were in for Hughes but that they cant talk to him due to his fulham contract until the end of the month. I dont want Villa waiting that long personally but if a deal has been done for Hughes behind closed doors affording Wigan good PR while appearing like we are actively looking for someone other than Hughes could explain it.

grenache

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Any thoughts on Billy Davies getting the Villa job? I think he could be the best appointment of the 3.

Billy Davies is highly unlikely to want to go to Villa after his boardroom experiences at Derby and Forest:


BILLY DAVIES will head into his latest play-off bout after another bizarre row with his Nottingham Forest board.

Billy Davies is preparing for his FIFTH experience of the end-of-season shoot-out in seven seasons – but is still fighting a running battle with his employers.

The Forest boss instructed journalists to call his lawyer before the press conference for the first leg against Swansea and refused to answer questions he had declared off-limits.

Davies gagged himself on talking about Forest’s transfer policy, the lack of spending on players and his relationship with the board.

The strange stand-off comes just weeks after he was rapped on the knuckles by chairman Nigel Doughty for comments made after the 2-1 defeat at Norwich.

Doughty was furious after Davies claimed Norwich were “a club that is together from top to bottom” – and this latest episode is believed to be a result of that dressing down.

Davies insists he is fully focused on beating Swansea and ending Forest’s own misery in the play-offs.

He said: “I’m not prepared to talk about the legal aspects, I’m here to talk about the play-offs.

“It’s all about two games of football. It’s all about the end-of-season focus and exciting matches.

“We are here to talk about the four great teams that are in there, the excitement of those events – and that’s it.

“I have got one year left on my contract at Nottingham Forest and I will continue with the progression of this club through the summer and right to the very last day of my contract.

“I think the instructions given to me was, ‘Get us out of this division’.

“That was the three-and-a-half-year plan with the chairman and the board.”

Davies has reached the lottery for the fifth time – twice with Preston, once with Derby and now for the second year running with Forest.

Yeovil and Blackpool have both stunned Forest at the semi-final stages in recent years and Davies is pleading with his young team to grow from boys to men.

He added: “We have to remember last season and the dogfight of relegation the year before that.

“It’s now time for the Forest players to come of age. When I came here we were fighting relegation.

“If they said then that they were going to be in two play-off semi-finals, I’m sure they would have laughed at you.”

Wales international striker Robert Earnshaw is back from suspension for tomorrow night’s first leg.

Given how Martin O'Neill was constantly held back by the limited ambitions of Randy Lerner, Davies wouldn't dream of going from the frying pan into the fire.

On a personal note as a Forest fan, i'm a little bit disappointed, Davies did not have the squad to make promotion a reality, we've gone two years without a properly recognised left back. God knows how many of Davies recommendations were vetoed by this ridiculous Acquisitions Panel that Chairman Nigel Doughty put in place.

But if we do get McClaren, it would be the club's best appointment since a certain Mr Clough took over in 1975. I think McClaren is hugely under-rated, he's learning all the time and is constantly improving. His tactical knowlege and experience of the continent will be of huge benefit to Forest, as well as his ability to attract players. *Fingers crossed*

seafood dunleavy wrote: »

Delighted for Davies after the way he treated Kelvin Wilson.

How did he treat Wilson? He got injured at the start of the season, Luke Chambers came in and did such a good job, and kept his place at centre-half when Wilson got back to full fitness. I don't see how Wilson was treated badly. Unless there's something else i've not heard about

JPA

grenache wrote: »

Billy Davies is highly unlikely to want to go to Villa after his boardroom experiences at Derby and Forest:


BILLY DAVIES will head into his latest play-off bout after another bizarre row with his Nottingham Forest board.



Given how Martin O'Neill was constantly held back by the limited ambitions of Randy Lerner, Davies wouldn't dream of going from the frying pan into the fire.

On a personal note as a Forest fan, i'm a little bit disappointed, Davies did not have the squad to make promotion a reality, we've gone two years without a properly recognised left back. God knows how many of Davies recommendations were vetoed by this ridiculous Acquisitions Panel that Chairman Nigel Doughty put in place.

But if we do get McClaren, it would be the club's best appointment since a certain Mr Clough took over in 1975. I think McClaren is hugely under-rated, he's learning all the time and is constantly improving. His tactical knowlege and experience of the continent will be of huge benefit to Forest, as well as his ability to attract players. *Fingers crossed*

WTF? Lerner is one of the most supportive chairmen in the league, he just doesn't have a bottomless pit of money.