Build moi a PC!

Tar.Aldarion

Sorry HVS is down so no pix, but I saved some links!
So any advice when it comes back up would be great


Looking to build a whole new computer from hardwareversand, maybe ram from memoryc if you see a better deal. I don't need mouse, keyboard, headphones, mic, OS, monitor. It will mostly be for gaming/programming/multitabling poker. I don't want to upgrade for a good while!

I will be gaming on an lgw2363d 120hz 1080p 3d monitor in 1920x1080, possibly a second monitor aswell that I have here.

I was thinking my definite parts are CPU: i5 2500k, unless something else stands up to it in the near future etc,
I have never OC'ed anything before but I would like to try with this.
For PSU a superflower amazon 650 watt and a cheap 1 terrabyte hdd.

What is left to decide on is RAM, mobo, GFX and case.


I have bought the nvidia 3d vision kit so I'm limited to nvidia cards atm.
For GFX I was thinking either a 560 ti or a 570. The 560's seem to range from E160 to 202E and teh cheapest 570 is 258E, is it worth the extra?
Here is the 570 I was thinking of getting: http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=45529&agid=707 or else the twin frozr 560ti.




For RAM I am confused a bit on the differences, which of these would be better and why? Or is there a better option from HVS or memoryc?
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemory/ddr3/8gbgskillddr3pc312800ripjawsxseriesforsandybridge.html
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44321&agid=1193
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44314&agid=1193
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44320&agid=1192
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44313&agid=1192
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=40701&agid=1193




For mobo I have no idea, what should I look out for, which of these would be best or is there a better alternative?
Are there much difference really? 100E-150ishE is fine, but I don't want to spend 150 if there is no real difference between 100 and the 150's. p67 or z68 or something else?
There are a loooot of them and I don't know the difference much.

Small sample:
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43134&agid=1601
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43131&agid=1601
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46921&agid=1601


Any recommendations on a good case, would I need to add any fans myself to your suggestion? Might be LANing with it. So good ventilation Don't be of monstrous weight!

Thanks a lot guys.

Tar.Aldarion

Ah it is back up, here is my cart so far:

Monotype

Be wary of the 560. There's 560 which is basically a nice 460 - not a bad card, but not the same as a 560ti. The 570s aren't great value as the 560ti can be overclocked to nearly the same.

3D eats a lot of GPU power... maybe you should be considering SLI 560tis - or buy one now and upgrade later?

RAM - ripjaws #1 or #2 would be fine. They're pretty much the same except for looks. They're 1.5V and I have used both in various systems. Don't buy the corsair one - those high heatspreaders are a nuisance.

Fluffy88

For the RAM I would go for,
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44321&agid=1193&lb
or
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44320&agid=1192&lb

But I don't know which would show better performance, since one has 1600Mhz compared to 1333Mhz but the slower has a lower Latency Timings.


I really don't know much about any other components, but I would look for a Mobo with SATAIII as it will give an SSD or HDD a bit of a performance boost. And if you can find it USB3.0 would be nice

And talking about Hard drives, I would get an SSD as your main drive for OS and programs and then get a 1Tb HDD for files.

Tar.Aldarion

Monotype wrote: »

Be wary of the 560. There's 560 which is basically a nice 460 - not a bad card, but not the same as a 560ti. The 570s aren't great value as the 560ti can be overclocked to nearly the same.

3D eats a lot of GPU power... maybe you should be considering SLI 560tis - or buy one now and upgrade later?

RAM - ripjaws #1 or #2 would be fine. They're pretty much the same except for looks. They're 1.5V and I have used both in various systems. Don't buy the corsair one - those high heatspreaders are a nuisance.

Thanks. Ah whoops meant ti! Can the 570 be overclocked much?
Also if I was going for the 560ti, there are so many flavours, any good ones in particular? I doubt I'll use the 3d that much, depending on how fun it is.
I'd say it's 200e for the 560ti and 258E for 570 so I'll ahve to see how much that can be OC'ed. I'm picking up that gskill ram thanks.

Fluffy88 wrote: »

For the RAM I would go for,
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44321&agid=1193&lb
or
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44320&agid=1192&lb

But I don't know which would show better performance, since one has 1600Mhz compared to 1333Mhz but the slower has a lower Latency Timings.


I really don't know much about any other components, but I would look for a Mobo with SATAIII as it will give an SSD or HDD a bit of a performance boost. And if you can find it USB3.0 would be nice

And talking about Hard drives, I would get an SSD as your main drive for OS and programs and then get a 1Tb HDD for files.

Thanks for the reply! Think im going for the 1600!

A mobo with those things sounds good, now somebody pick me one


Well I was thinking of an SSD but I don't think they are really worth it, it makes me boot up faster etc, but I boot up fast enough already, don't notice myself waiting. I think I'd rather wait until they are cheaper and get a decent sized one? They can be slotted in at any time and I don't really want a 30/40gig one maybe, as I could use the money on the other components.

Burgo

How much do you have to spend?
I'd go with something like this;
i5 2500k
G.Skill Ripjaw X 8gb
Msi p67a gd65
Super Flower Amazon 650w
Club3D Geforce GTX560 Ti, 1024MB
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1tb
FRACTAL DESIGN Case DEFINE R3 Black Pearl
Comes to €775.62 + €30 pp

The p67 boards don't seem to like ram that runs at 1.65 volts, Im not sure if the same goes for the z68 boards.

Fluffy88

I don't have an SSD myself but I am planning on building one soonish for about €1500 and an SSD is an essential part of my list. I would recommend it and I think most other people would.

A regular HDD is generally the biggest bottleneck in any system since HDD's work in Milliseconds whereas all the other components work in Nanoseconds. So the drastic improvement in Read/Write speeds will really show a performance increase.
A quick look through a site or two and I found this,
http://www.dabs.ie/products/ocz-technology-60gb-agility-3-ssd-series-sata-6gb-s-2-5--solid-state-drive-7HR1.html?refs=4294946440-450300000-52750000
seems like a good buy at that price and if you compared the documented Seek Time on this of 0.1ms to the extremely high end HDD,
http://www.dabs.ie/products/hp-450gb-15k-3-5-dual-port-non-hot-pluggable-sas-hd-6NW6.html?refs=4294946982-23
it has a Seek time of 3.6ms so there is a massive difference in performance.

merc.ie

If you can spare the extra 50 or 60 euros, go with the 570 - it'll give you more FPS on that 1080p 120Hz screen and this motherboard will let you add a second in the future. You'll need a 750W+ PSU for SLI though. They can overclock too, to around midway between a 570 and 580 performance.

Apparently the reference MSI 570s have had problems (thus they're cheap on almost every site) so I'd go with this one:
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43166&agid=707&lb

Solitaire

Hate to be a cynic but with the HD6850/GTX460/GTX560 rapidly becoming the minimum card for 1080p gaming, you'll need two GTX560s SLI'd or something bigger and meaner than a GTX560Ti/570 to get acceptable framerates for more demanding games if you're going for 1080p 3D

Tar.Aldarion

Burgo wrote: »

How much do you have to spend?
I'd go with something like this;
i5 2500k
G.Skill Ripjaw X 8gb
Msi p67a gd65
Super Flower Amazon 650w
Club3D Geforce GTX560 Ti, 1024MB
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1tb
FRACTAL DESIGN Case DEFINE R3 Black Pearl
Comes to €775.62 + €30 pp

The p67 boards don't seem to like ram that runs at 1.65 volts, Im not sure if the same goes for the z68 boards.

Well it's not how much I have got to spend, it's how much I want to spend. If I see a part that is more expensive than the one I want and there is a reason I would want the extra features, I will buy it.

Thanks for the suggestions, as regards the motherboard, should I bother getting it over say a MSI P67A-GD53 or MSI P67A-GD55? Is the only difference a few extra slots? the 3 looks similar but 30e cheaper.
People are saying I should get a mobo with sata6/usb 3 so mobos are something I need to google more.

for the gfx, there are 24 560ti's on HVS, so I'm unsure which to get, I was looking at this one as I had heard good things, I'm not sure which though. http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43007&agid=707

Must look up that case as well cheers, the rest I am probably getting from your list!

Fluffy88 wrote: »

I don't have an SSD myself but I am planning on building one soonish for about €1500 and an SSD is an essential part of my list. I would recommend it and I think most other people would.

A regular HDD is generally the biggest bottleneck in any system since HDD's work in Milliseconds whereas all the other components work in Nanoseconds. So the drastic improvement in Read/Write speeds will really show a performance increase.
A quick look through a site or two and I found this,
http://www.dabs.ie/products/ocz-technology-60gb-agility-3-ssd-series-sata-6gb-s-2-5--solid-state-drive-7HR1.html?refs=4294946440-450300000-52750000
seems like a good buy at that price and if you compared the documented Seek Time on this of 0.1ms to the extremely high end HDD,
http://www.dabs.ie/products/hp-450gb-15k-3-5-dual-port-non-hot-pluggable-sas-hd-6NW6.html?refs=4294946982-23
it has a Seek time of 3.6ms so there is a massive difference in performance.

The definitely look pretty swish alright, would love one but I think I might get it in 6 months/year and not yet. Would love a nice big one

merc.ie wrote: »

If you can spare the extra 50 or 60 euros, go with the 570 - it'll give you more FPS on that 1080p 120Hz screen and this motherboard will let you add a second in the future. You'll need a 750W+ PSU for SLI though. They can overclock too, to around midway between a 570 and 580 performance.

Apparently the reference MSI 570s have had problems (thus they're cheap on almost every site) so I'd go with this one:
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43166&agid=707&lb

I'm starting to think the 570 isnt worth it and maybe I should oc a 560ti but I'm not sure, not really a fan of sli'ing and getting a bigger psu, hmm.

cheers for the heads up on the msi's!

Solitaire wrote: »

Hate to be a cynic but with the HD6850/GTX460/GTX560 rapidly becoming the minimum card for 1080p gaming, you'll need two GTX560s SLI'd or something bigger and meaner than a GTX560Ti/570 to get acceptable framerates for more demanding games if you're going for 1080p 3D

Hey buddy! Most likely what will be happening is I will be 3d gaming for a little bit for the novelty on the kit I bought second hand, then I will sell it on third hand, just wanna try it out and watch some films. I got the monitor for the 120hz and 0 input lag, not the 3d really!

darego

i recommend the 560ti for your 3d setup. i have 1 in my rig i just build 2 weeks back and the performance (3d included) is fantastic! this is the 2gb one i have
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43167&agid=1156

i have the asrock p67 extreme4 mobo also but i havn't tried to oc anything on it yet

Tar.Aldarion

Thanks, think I might get the 560 ti after all, although I don't think I would need a 2gig one unless for giant resolutions?

Solitaire

If you're not looking for 120fps in Metro2033/Crysis2/Skyrim then a GTX560Ti 1GB (which start from ~€190) is just fine. It can still work wonders in less demanding titles with 3D enabled. And no, you don't need extra framebuffer for 3D, as you're doubling up on visual data (and thus halving perceived fps) and not increasing texture sizes and/or overall display resolution.

darego

i wasted 40 quid on an extra 1gb then looks like the card does have very good cooling though with is handy

Burgo

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Well it's not how much I have got to spend, it's how much I want to spend. If I see a part that is more expensive than the one I want and there is a reason I would want the extra features, I will buy it.

Thanks for the suggestions, as regards the motherboard, should I bother getting it over say a MSI P67A-GD53 or MSI P67A-GD55? Is the only difference a few extra slots? the 3 looks similar but 30e cheaper.
People are saying I should get a mobo with sata6/usb 3 so mobos are something I need to google more.

for the gfx, there are 24 560ti's on HVS, so I'm unsure which to get, I was looking at this one as I had heard good things, I'm not sure which though. http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43007&agid=707

Must look up that case as well cheers, the rest I am probably getting from your list!

Yeah the difference between the mobos is pretty much a few slots, the gd65 has 8 internal sata ports, 4 sata 3 and 4 sata2, and 2 rear panel esata ports. so unless you need 8 sata ports/2 esata ports its probably best to go with one of the cheaper ones :P

Tar.Aldarion

Solitaire wrote: »

If you're not looking for 120fps in Metro2033/Crysis2/Skyrim then a GTX560Ti 1GB (which start from ~€190) is just fine. It can still work wonders in less demanding titles with 3D enabled. And no, you don't need extra framebuffer for 3D, as you're doubling up on visual data (and thus halving perceived fps) and not increasing texture sizes and/or overall display resolution.

well I wouldn't mind 120 in skyrim as I'm definitely getting that. Other games would be less demanding, css, DotA 2, starcraft 2 maybe.

Burgo wrote: »

Yeah the difference between the mobos is pretty much a few slots, the gd65 has 8 internal sata ports, 4 sata 3 and 4 sata2, and 2 rear panel esata ports. so unless you need 8 sata ports/2 esata ports its probably best to go with one of the cheaper ones :P

I have no idea what i would use all those ports for! The gd 53 seems like a good deal so, must put up a basket and see what poeple think



any other ideas on cases guys?

Tar.Aldarion

What do people think of this + a case?

Monotype

The GD53 doesn't have firewire, if that's important.

The Fractal Design R3 as mentioned above is a great, quiet case. Is noise important? If it isn't just pick whichever one you like the look of and check a few reviews to ensure that there's no serious problems. You can spend as little as €30 if you want to invest more on the case contents.

I don't think that a 650W PSU is really necessary for one card, while you might need a bit more if two cards are likely.

Tar.Aldarion

Nah, will never use firewire.

Cheers, noise isn't important, I can't hear anything out of my headphones anyway, just good ventilation and maybe being light. If I LAN with 1000 other computers there I'd like it to stay cool :-p Would i need more fans than the standard with these cases? Or do the ones coming with it suffice?

I never really plan on 2 cards, I usually just sell one and buy a better one. Hmm, I would need 750 if I sli'ed the 560ti? However I wouldn't be sli'ong it for a long time if I was at all.

Sephiroth_dude

Nice specs there tar at a good price too,Can I ask Will you be building this yourself? :-)

Solitaire

Stop trying to build TarA's system for him/her just so you can look down his/her top! :P

Hmm... and hmm again... it really depends on if you intend on OCing stuff and how much. IIRC most quad Sandies only use 55-60W with Turbo and without HT... the Tis use ~140W each, the 570 closer to 190W. That's not including pre-OCd versions or custom PCBs with naff voltage regulators, which I've seen hit 270W in the case of certain 570s! And that's gaming usage, not FurMark! :eek:

OCing the CPU could cause a fair increase, and its hard to tell how much OCing headroom you'll have on any GPU.

Given the Amazon only has 624W on the 12V rails I'd say that the SLI'd Tis will squeeze in if you don't add lots of HDDs or OC anything (not that the Tis would really need it if you have two of them! ) as the system would use less than 400W, coming in under the 60% mark If you wanted to OC everything I'd recommend a 750W unit - XFX have a (fully wired) 750W model for only €75 if you need it. Otherwise a 650W will more than handle things.

Tar.Aldarion

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Nice specs there tar at a good price too,Can I ask Will you be building this yourself? :-)

Why thank you I've never built a whole system from scratch, just replaced parts as needs be, so I'll be looking to do it for myself for the first time. Unless I need a muscly PC Building & Upgrading regular to help at some point

Solitaire wrote: »

Stop trying to build TarA's system for him/her just so you can look down his/her top! :P

Hmm... and hmm again... it really depends on if you intend on OCing stuff and how much. IIRC most quad Sandies only use 55-60W with Turbo and without HT... the Tis use ~140W each, the 570 closer to 190W. That's not including pre-OCd versions or custom PCBs with naff voltage regulators, which I've seen hit 270W in the case of certain 570s! And that's gaming usage, not FurMark! :eek:

OCing the CPU could cause a fair increase, and its hard to tell how much OCing headroom you'll have on any GPU.

Given the Amazon only has 624W on the 12V rails I'd say that the SLI'd Tis will squeeze in if you don't add lots of HDDs or OC anything (not that the Tis would really need it if you have two of them! ) as the system would use less than 400W, coming in under the 60% mark If you wanted to OC everything I'd recommend a 750W unit - XFX have a (fully wired) 750W model for only €75 if you need it. Otherwise a 650W will more than handle things.

We all likes a good perv heh. I have never OC'ed anything ever, so I want to use this pc to test doing that and hopefully not destroy everything (I hope it isn't easy to **** up :eek:). So I will hopefully be OCing the gfx and cpu, so maybe I should get that xfx? How would it compare to http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=30071&agid=1630 and what does fully wired imply?

There is also some OC genie thing on the msi board, is it worth jsut pressing that or doing things yourself? What exactly does that do /googles frantically

Solitaire

Only bother getting a larger PSU if you really intend on going SLI as well as OCing, as two GTX560Tis consume a lot more juice than a single GTX570. And that Amazon isn't well priced, either get the XFX Core 750W for €75 or get a Golden Green 750W if its reduced to the same price as the Amazon - its a very efficient unit, which is of growing importance when you're getting through so much juice!

Just OC yourself. Use MSI Afterburner for the graphics cards and while you'll still have to dig into the BIOS for the CPU, its a much prettier thing on the EFI-based Sandy mobos (the first generation of PC mobos to replace the BIOS). You don't have to fiddle as much anymore as OCing the K-series is as simple as upping the CPU multiplier, and possibly voltage a bit too. OC Genie can try to do that for you at the touch of a button, but is less accurate or reliable than doing it yourself.

darego

solitaire mate can you recommend any good guides to ocing? i wouldn't mind trying a bit with my new system! i5 2500k and gtx560 ti

Tar.Aldarion

Solitaire wrote: »

Only bother getting a larger PSU if you really intend on going SLI as well as OCing, as two GTX560Tis consume a lot more juice than a single GTX570. And that Amazon isn't well priced, either get the XFX Core 750W for €75 or get a Golden Green 750W if its reduced to the same price as the Amazon - its a very efficient unit, which is of growing importance when you're getting through so much juice!

Just OC yourself. Use MSI Afterburner for the graphics cards and while you'll still have to dig into the BIOS for the CPU, its a much prettier thing on the EFI-based Sandy mobos (the first generation of PC mobos to replace the BIOS). You don't have to fiddle as much anymore as OCing the K-series is as simple as upping the CPU multiplier, and possibly voltage a bit too. OC Genie can try to do that for you at the touch of a button, but is less accurate or reliable than doing it yourself.

Cheers, the golden green 750 is E87 so I might get the xfx got 75E. Cool.

Will try OCing myself and when I **** up start bashing the button

darego wrote: »

solitaire mate can you recommend any good guides to ocing? i wouldn't mind trying a bit with my new system! i5 2500k and gtx560 ti

There is a forum for it here and all, I look forward to hearing of your attempts as you have the same stuff!





Now to try and look at cases!

Anybody have experience with:

FRACTAL DESIGN DEFINE R3 Black Pearl
CM 690 II Advanced
CM HAF 912
CM HAF 922
NZXT Hades
Thermaltake Armor A90
Cooler Master 690 II Advanced Midi-Tower
NZXT Guardian 921 Midi-Tower - Redline Edition

I'm thinking maybe one of these:

http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=35863&agid=631
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41084&agid=631
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=36379&agid=631
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38383&agid=631
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38379&agid=631
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28606&agid=631&lb

and now to look at some more!

do people recommend buying extra fans or do the stock ones do the job?

Tar.Aldarion

Also, how do these two compare?
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44931&agid=1601
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43133&agid=1601

MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) vs ASRock P67 Pro3 (B3)



basket atm

Solitaire

If they're out at a reasonable price yet look out for Z68 mobos - the SSD cache feature is a very nice upgrade path later on.

Fractal R3 is heavy and pricey but very highly recommended.
Not sure how much the CM690 Lite loses compared to the Advanced, but while the latter might be a tiny bit more expandable IMHO it loses badly to the R3.
M59 is a nice mid-range case but getting a bit dated. Guardian is very old and very overpriced. The Hades is good though.
Not 100% sure about HAF912, but the 922 is great, albeit big!

Bear in mind that you'll need an aftermarket CPU cooler if you're looking to OC it! Although one might be desirable anyway for any case other than the R3, as the stock fan is a nasty noisy PoS!

Solitaire

Oh, and I'd go with the MSI. One of the PCIe slots is electrically x8, but that's not a big issue and its very rare to get two full x16 slots nowadays anyway. All the Z68 mobos I've looked at so far have the second PCIe crippled and running at x4, which isn't really suitable for heavy-duty SLI

Tar.Aldarion

Thanks, I deffo owe you some pints by now! I have pretty much decided to get the R3, even though ryanair will rape me with weight travelling

Oh i had heard that I could OC the 2500k without a cooler So i should get a cooler deffo? If so, which one :-D Also will I need any extra fans in the r3 at all?

As for mobo, it will be one of the two I mentioned or maybe these if they are any good?
Are these the ones you mean or the more expensive ones?
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46922&agid=1601
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46912&agid=1603

Tar.Aldarion

Solitaire wrote: »

Oh, and I'd go with the MSI. One of the PCIe slots is electrically x8, but that's not a big issue and its very rare to get two full x16 slots nowadays anyway. All the Z68 mobos I've looked at so far have the second PCIe crippled and running at x4, which isn't really suitable for heavy-duty SLI

Oh ok, I'll take your word on it and get the msi the bigger x numbers look good :cool:

Tar.Aldarion

So here is the finished build unless anybody calls something crap
also, will add fans or a cooler if needs be!

Tea_Bag

looks good, but when do you plan on ordering this? ordering parts that are out of stock or waiting to come back in "soon2 is a big no-no with HWVS

its a little over budget, but id highly recommend getting a z68 motherboard, for future upgradable sake.

Ive just put an order for a friend in for a asus p8z68-v pro. ~@€;150 its not the cheapest of the z68 range, but it has every feature under the sun (SLI/CF @ x8 x8) and everywhere i read gave it fantastic reviews. im sure with a bit of reading you can find a cheaper (but still good quality) z68 from HWVS.

Tar.Aldarion

On a case note, i'd love to have this

http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=42264&agid=632

Tea_Bag wrote: »

looks good, but when do you plan on ordering this? ordering parts that are out of stock or waiting to come back in "soon2 is a big no-no with HWVS

its a little over budget, but id highly recommend getting a z68 motherboard, for future upgradable sake.

Ive just put an order for a friend in for a asus p8z68-v pro. ~@€;150 its not the cheapest of the z68 range, but it has every feature under the sun (SLI/CF @ x8 x8) and everywhere i read gave it fantastic reviews. im sure with a bit of reading you can find a cheaper (but still good quality) z68 from HWVS.

Well i was planning on ordering it in a day or two, I don't mind waiting at all as I will still ahve my normal pc, just as long as the parts actually do come into stock?

I'll have a look at the z68s, I havent really given them much of a chance even though i heard they were good, just as it seemed they weren't too much different to the p67 apart from an ssd caching ability that I won't use. Why would they be more future proof than that msi one? I gonna have a read about them tomorrow thanks

Monotype

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Oh i had heard that I could OC the 2500k without a cooler So i should get a cooler deffo? If so, which one :-D Also will I need any extra fans in the r3 at all?

The stock one will do for some mild overclocking but it's not great. I'd normally say to get the Scythe Mugen 2 but is this going to be carted around a lot? A heavy heatsink could damage the board if it was on long/regular trips. HWV haven't got a great selection and a good few are out of stock, but you should either get a light one or maybe in this circumstance keep with the original.
A good choice would be one of corsair's semi-watercooling systems.
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38537
They also have a H50, but it's not in stock here.

As for mobo, it will be one of the two I mentioned or maybe these if they are any good?
Are these the ones you mean or the more expensive ones?
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46922&agid=1601
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46912&agid=1603

They only have 1 PCI-E slot - no good for SLI. You'd need to invest more in the higher end Z68s.

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

On a case note, i'd love to have this

http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=42264&agid=632

The colossus is awesome. I wonder how long the novelty of the changing colours would last. It's a solid, well rounded case too.

Monotype

The AC FP7 is back in stock again and it's fairly light, so I'd recommend that. It's not tremendously powerful but it's quiet and should be better than the stock.
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28345

The Fractal Design R3 case has two fans install, IIRC. It's enough for a cool, quiet system. Since you are overclocking, an extra one or two fans maybe be advisable.

Also, that RAM is 1.65V - get 1.5V as some 1155 boards are known to be fussy and it's best to stay on the safe side.

Tar.Aldarion

Monotype wrote: »

The stock one will do for some mild overclocking but it's not great. I'd normally say to get the Scythe Mugen 2 but is this going to be carted around a lot? A heavy heatsink could damage the board if it was on long/regular trips. HWV haven't got a great selection and a good few are out of stock, but you should either get a light one or maybe in this circumstance keep with the original.
A good choice would be one of corsair's semi-watercooling systems.
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38537
They also have a H50, but it's not in stock here.



They only have 1 PCI-E slot - no good for SLI. You'd need to invest more in the higher end Z68s.




The colossus is awesome. I wonder how long the novelty of the changing colours would last. It's a solid, well rounded case too.

I wouldn't be moving pc often at all, I don't know if the extra gained from OCing would be with the 33e on the cooler? What kindof performance increase would it be? I'm an OC noob. I might stay with the stock and see can i OC it a little? Or get the cheaper fan? If it's really worth it i would get the mugen.

Monotype wrote: »

The AC FP7 is back in stock again and it's fairly light, so I'd recommend that. It's not tremendously powerful but it's quiet and should be better than the stock.
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28345

The Fractal Design R3 case has two fans install, IIRC. It's enough for a cool, quiet system. Since you are overclocking, an extra one or two fans maybe be advisable.

Also, that RAM is 1.65V - get 1.5V as some 1155 boards are known to be fussy and it's best to stay on the safe side.

That one is a more reasonable price, what would the OC difference in values be between that, the stock and the mugen?


As for case fans, any in particular I should get/avoid?

Oh and the ram says 1.5 on the site!

Monotype

The AC Freezer would probably be a little better. I noticed it was significantly quieter and cooler than a Phenom X4 955 heatsink anyway. I haven't tested a 2500K stock heatsink but it's tiny and I'm guessing relatively noisy.

Given that the 1155 is fairly cool as it is, I've seen people go above 4GHz with the stock heatsink. You might not hear much inside a Fractal Design R3. The Scythe mugen 2 is very quiet under normal circumstances and with luck, you might be able to overclock that CPU up to 4.5GHz.

Tar.Aldarion

cool thanks, I'll have to have a think about whether going for 4 with the stock or 4.5 with mugen. After that I am just choosing case fan or two and ordering. whoop! great help thanks

Solitaire

1. If you're going to be LANning or travelling with this thing why are you going full ATX?
2. Given that Sandy is the coolest-running quad Intel have ever shipped I suspect that you could easily go past 4GHz with just a Freezer 7 Pro with feck-all noise as a result

Tar.Aldarion

Well Im not sure if I will be or not, and as I will have 2 computers now this one might not move at all! If I did it might just be a once off etc

I think I will use either the freezer 7 or stock cooler and get another case fan? It doesn't sound like the freezer 7 is much better than stock and I could go to say 4-4.2ish with stock, most people seem to claim this? That seems perfect

Maybe stock cooler and something like a Noctua NF-P12 or Noctua NF-P14 for another case fan? Or will cheaper fans do?

I have no idea if a case fan or a cpu cooler would be better for me. Maybe I should use stock to go to 4ghz and no extra case fan as the twin frozr looks to have good cooling even when OCed to 570 speed? And jsut OC the cpu to 4ish
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/01/27/msi-geforce-gtx-560-ti-1gb-review/7
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/01/27/msi-geforce-gtx-560-ti-1gb-review/9

Solitaire

The Freezer 7 is much better than an AMD stock cooler, which in turn is much better than an Intel stock cooler. I have the stock HSF on my i5-760 and its a noisy PoS that can barely keep the CPU cooled at stock speed

The Freezer is much cheaper and lighter than a 120mm cooler as well as being very quiet, but it can cool as well as a mediocre 120mm tower Next step up is a good 120mm cooler like the Hyper 212 Plus, and after that you have the high-end 120mm coolers, starting with the Mugen 2 and rapidly getting sillier and sillier in terms of size/weight/price.

Tar.Aldarion

Ah ok cool, so I think i'll lay off the mugen, I don't want to spend a lot on this sort of thing, so maybe freezer 7 and some case fans, pity there are a million types to google :mad:

also lol at the size of some these coolers

Tar.Aldarion

Ah i think **** the extra case fans and here is my...potential ... final build




so with delivery 803E

Solitaire

GODDAMN BOARDS!!!! Trying to post this for 15 minutes now!!!!

The Mugen 2 isn't exactly small either! :P

They're not the best but unless you get a defective one those 120mm Xilence Redwing fans are far from the worst you can get, and they're usually €2-3 a pop on HWVS Although if you're intent on a quiet, well-cooled chassis check out the Arctic F12s on QuietPC - about a fiver a pop yet near-silent, 6-year warranty and good airflow and static pressure. Only the Akasa Venoms are much more powerful, and they're noisy and nearly €20 a pop :eek: Noctua are great, but super-pricey. And 140/200mm fans are hard to get cheap, although well worth it if you have an empty 140mm or 200mm fan mount lurking.

Better cases like the Hades and R3 include a few of their fans anyway

Tar.Aldarion

Solitaire wrote: »

GODDAMN BOARDS!!!! Trying to post this for 15 minutes now!!!!

The Mugen 2 isn't exactly small either! :P

They're not the best but unless you get a defective one those 120mm Xilence Redwing fans are far from the worst you can get, and they're usually €2-3 a pop on HWVS Although if you're intent on a quiet, well-cooled chassis check out the Arctic F12s on QuietPC - about a fiver a pop yet near-silent, 6-year warranty and good airflow and static pressure. Only the Akasa Venoms are much more powerful, and they're noisy and nearly €20 a pop :eek: Noctua are great, but super-pricey. And 140/200mm fans are hard to get cheap, although well worth it if you have an empty 140mm or 200mm fan mount lurking.

Better cases like the Hades and R3 include a few of their fans anyway

Oh thanks, I will have to look up how many fan mountings or whatever are in my case and buy a couple of the 2/5e ones if they are that cheap!


edit: might get one or two of these depending on what my case fits, ive never added fans to a case

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=10323&agid=42

Tar.Aldarion

ok so it comes with two 120mm fans and room for 7 or something, with a fan controller for 3. Might just get one of these http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=10323&agid=42

Tar.Aldarion

and there we have it for 805E, one fan will do i suppose...and will try to OC teh gfx and 2500k






would you need thermal paste or anything as well?
/newb builder

Fluffy88

I've just been reading this article on the SandyBridge 1155 socket and I just came across a very interesting line on the third page(the linked one).

The memory controller of a Sandy Bridge CPU is a dual-channel DDR3 unit, capable of speeds of up to 1,333MHz.

Now this to me seemed like it wasn't right, so I went off and done a bit of research into it, got up the spec of a 1155 mobo. The "ASRock P67 Extreme6" a very good mobo from what I can see and it lists in it's Memory spec "Supports Dual Channel DDR3 2133(OC)" and on AsRocks site there is a whole listing of the RAM supported by this card (here)


Now sorry for all the nonsensical rambling, I do have a point here.
Tar, you have 1600Mhz RAM listed in your spec.
So my question is, does 1155 actually support 1600Mhz RAM?
Or
Do you have to overclock the RAM to make use of the full 1600Mhz???
Or
Am I a complete idiot?

Thanks for reading.

Tar.Aldarion

Hello fluffy, now I don't knwo the most on the subject but as fas as I am aware the official maximum standard for RAM is 1333 but mobos support up to 2133 so it should still work. Now if you need to manually put in values or will it work out of the box I don't know

and also, do many people OC ram, does it matter much?
I am unsure atm how to test what the ram is running at but I will let you know when i install it and test it!

Fluffy88

I find it all very confusing. If the CPU had a max of 1333Mhz then even when the mobo supports 2133Mhz can that extra bandwidth be used or is it just a waste of money.

The article I linked to above has a guide to overclocking the i5 2500k
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/01/03/intel-sandy-bridge-review/5
It might help you OC'ing your machine when you get it

Tar.Aldarion

I'll have a read of that thanks As far as i understand it it's not a max, jsut the max officially supported? But I'll have to read about it!