Chloë Sevigny To Play An Irish Transsexual Assassin

deirdre_dub

Chloë Sevigny To Play An Irish Transsexual Assassin

Anyone else have a really really really bad feeling about this?

fulmer1984

deirdre_dub wrote: »

Chloë Sevigny To Play An Irish Transsexual Assassin

Anyone else have a really really really bad feeling about this?

Anything with her is bad news imo

Links234

fulmer1984 wrote: »

Anything with her is bad news imo

awww, I love Chloe Sevigny!

I hope it turns out to be good tbh, if they got it right, it could be a really cool show. *crosses fingers*

fulmer1984

Is it anything like Brown Bunny?

enfant terrible

She was good in american psycho

Links234

enfant terrible wrote: »

She was good in american psycho

and Boys Don't Cry

deirdre_dub

Links234 wrote: »

if they got it right

Two words - transsexual assassin.



Three words - Irish transsexual assassin.

Links234

deirdre_dub wrote: »

Two words - transsexual assassin.



Three words - Irish transsexual assassin.

it's based on my life, of course :pac:

but really, considering the way trans folk are portrayed in the media, I think this is a big step up. we've got a woman playing the character. so it's probably gonna be a far way away from representations of men in dresses who are all too eager to expose themselves to people.

I've read some other things about this, and hopefully it's gonna be a good show.

deirdre_dub

Links234 wrote: »

it's based on my life, of course :pac:

OK - now I'm scared! :pac:

but really, considering the way trans folk are portrayed in the media, I think this is a big step up. we've got a woman playing the character. so it's probably gonna be a far way away from representations of men in dresses who are all too eager to expose themselves to people.

She is playing a pre-op, and I think we all know what the popular image of pre-ops is.

I've read some other things about this, and hopefully it's gonna be a good show.

Links, links?

Asry

Ah now, Chloe's hot.

I'm not allowed watch Boys Don't Cry. Apparently I wouldn't be able to handle it? They said that about Girl, Interrupted and the Exorcism of Emily Rose as well and I'M CLEARLY IN ONE PIECE.

Links, can I join your assassin gang? I could be a sniper! I love sitting around doing nothing for the majority of the time and then shooting people.

Meesared

Have to say im intreguied about this, but ill not get my hopes up!

Asry wrote: »

Ah now, Chloe's hot.

I'm not allowed watch Boys Don't Cry. Apparently I wouldn't be able to handle it? They said that about Girl, Interrupted and the Exorcism of Emily Rose as well and I'M CLEARLY IN ONE PIECE.

Links, can I join your assassin gang? I could be a sniper! I love sitting around doing nothing for the majority of the time and then shooting people.

You havent seen Boys Dont Cry?

Asry

No! It's on my banned film list on the idea that my reaction to it could be extreme Along with that horror film, Stigmata, and the other 2 (until recently). Actually, my own addition to that list is the Passion of the Christ. I had to leave the cinema in almost hysterical tears. It's unremitting torture! Couldn't hack it. And I *love* torture! :cool: /mild sarcasm. But seriously, yeah, it's like torture porn.

Meesared

Jeez you REALLY wouldnt like Hostel/Hostel Part 2

Asry

oh, no I do love me some Hostel, so I do.

I have many issues with the Passion, as a film, and with Mel Gibson, as the director of it. To list these would be off topic here, but suffice to say, the Hostel films are horror films, and the Passion isn't.

Still though. I want to be a sniper sidekick to an Irish transsexual assassin. :cool: I could be called....something something. :cool: :cool:

I_am_LOST

Lol. So transexuals/gays/lesbians etc. can't be portrayed as bad characters in films but straights can?

Equality in some areas but not for all? :pac:

Meesared

I dont think anyone likes bad characterisation, for any type of person in TVs and films, its just that we dont need the bad stereotypes enforcing the ones people already have.
Were all just people at the end of the day

L.Jenkins

Wow, I come for a browse and people want to be snipers and assasins, even though we do actually have one trans part time soldier here. I concur with Deirdre, can't see this ending well. Especially with Irish in the title.

Killer_banana

I_am_LOST wrote: »

Lol. So transexuals/gays/lesbians etc. can't be portrayed as bad characters in films but straights can?

Equality in some areas but not for all? :pac:

I don't think it's them being portrayed as bad characters people are bothered about, I think it's more to do with there not being a decent balance of good and bad and then you also get a whole lot of negative stereotypes thrown into the mix which complicates things further.

I think this is an interesting idea but it could go either way really. Irish characters being portrayed by actors who aren't Irish always makes me nervous simply because the accent is usually God awful so an Irish transsexual has the potential to be very very bad. I don't know anything about the actress or anyone else involved though so I'm going to try stay positive and hope for the best.

wonderfulname

Its a british production, being created by a lot of the people who were behind skins. It seems as though this guy wrote it.

Yeah it's gonna be insane! But I don't see it being at all a bad image thing for transfolk, quite probably the opposite when you look at the people involved.

Meesared

wonderfulname wrote: »

Its a british production, being created by a lot of the people who were behind skins. It seems as though this guy wrote it.

Yeah it's gonna be insane! But I don't see it being at all a bad image thing for transfolk, quite probably the opposite when you look at the people involved.

Oh! thats good news! i love Skins!

hare05

Meesared wrote: »

Oh! thats good news! i love Skins!

Bought 4 seasons on DVD last week for €30

Meesared

hare05 wrote: »

Bought 4 seasons on DVD last week for €30

ooo where?

apache

Lots of groups of people are portrayed badly in films. just look at the americans trying to be irish *cringe*

so i don't see where the problem is before anyone has even seen it?
why be negative before it has been given a chance?

sevigny was brilliant in "boys don't cry". a lot of research was put into that by the production team and the actors and it turned out wonderful.

is it because the main character is portrayed as an assassin?

the only thing i would be worried about here is the accent. :rolleyes:

Meesared

God remember Pierce Brosnans accent in Evelyn? and hes irish!

apache

lol yeah he was away from these shores too long. i think he left naaaaavan when he was 16 or something to go to london?

tom cruise in "far and away". facepalm!

Links234

Lovely Dyke wrote: »

so i don't see where the problem is before anyone has even seen it?
why be negative before it has been given a chance?

I think we all tend to assume the worst, because 99% of the time, it's usually something horrible.

Like the time Seth MacFarlane was touting the episode of Family Guy "Quagmire's Dad" as being the most sympathetic portrayal of a transgender character on TV, only for the episode to be mostly awful stereotypes and was seriously insensitive and digs up the old trope of trans people making other people vomit. To add insult to injury, he went on to insinuate that people were stupid for taking offense to the portrayal. I for one don't think that MacFarlane was being malicious, and his politics in general are very pro-LGBT, so I wouldn't say he meant to cause any upset, and there is a nice message of acceptance towards the end. But I take that as an example of someone who meant well, and yet still had written a pretty negative portrayal of a trans person that reinforces some very hurtful and damaging stereotypes.

so, generally when there's news of trans characters on TV or in Film, the reaction is mostly "brace for impact! :eek:"


Not that I'm against this, or think it's gonna be negative. In fact, I kinda like the idea that the character is an assassin, because way way too often trans women are show almost as parodies of 1950's housewives and ridiculously over the top feminine, which in itself is a horrible stereotype. So I love the idea that this character is gonna be all 'La femma nikita' and kickass and hopefully, pretty far from the stereotype.

so yeah, I'm not assuming anything negative about this show, I'm looking forward to it, but I can understand why others would be very, very wary.

apache

Links234 wrote: »

I think we all tend to assume the worst, because 99% of the time, it's usually something horrible.

Like the time Seth MacFarlane was touting the episode of Family Guy "Quagmire's Dad" as being the most sympathetic portrayal of a transgender character on TV, only for the episode to be mostly awful stereotypes and was seriously insensitive and digs up the old trope of trans people making other people vomit. To add insult to injury, he went on to insinuate that people were stupid for taking offense to the portrayal. I for one don't think that MacFarlane was being malicious, and his politics in general are very pro-LGBT, so I wouldn't say he meant to cause any upset, and there is a nice message of acceptance towards the end. But I take that as an example of someone who meant well, and yet still had written a pretty negative portrayal of a trans person that reinforces some very hurtful and damaging stereotypes.

so, generally when there's news of trans characters on TV or in Film, the reaction is mostly "brace for impact! :eek:"

that is a cartoon show
like southpark it is meant to take the piss out of everything. it would not be fun if it did not. it is full of irony.

you cannot possibly equate that to anything.

Links234

Lovely Dyke wrote: »

that is a cartoon show
like southpark it is meant to take the piss out of everything. it would not be fun if it did not. it is full of irony.

you cannot possibly equate that to anything.

yes and even cartoon shows can inform popular culture and have social impacts. some of the most influential points can be made through the use of humour and satire. making a mockery of something can be a powerful thing.

and as well as that, when the negative stereotypes of trans people are pretty much the majority. I don't think anyone would care if it was fair play and there was some good representation to balance out the negativity, but there rarely is. while the fight for human rights for trans folk goes on in most countries, we've still got comedy shows that paint trans women as blokes in dresses who expose themselves to people at any opportunity: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/04/14/transgender-group-furious-at-bbc-for-offensive-russell-howard-sketch/

apache

i can't comment on that. i don't watch that show. i don't know if they take the piss out of everything or if it was just an unfair dig at the trans community.

but the cartoon shows take the piss out of everything. they are universal in their pisstaking.

Links234

Lovely Dyke wrote: »

i can't comment on that. i don't watch that show. i don't know if they take the piss out of everything or if it was just an unfair dig at the trans community.

but the cartoon shows take the piss out of everything. they are universal in their pisstaking.

there's taking the piss, and there's perpetuating harmful stereotypes

possibly the best transgender character in a TV show was Carmen in It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. the other characters are pretty awful to her for the most part, but it's a great representation and she comes off as a good character. there's plenty of humour based on her being transgender, but without the negative stereotypes.

apache

Links234 wrote: »

there's taking the piss, and there's perpetuating harmful stereotypes

so everything i see a harmful stereotype of a lesbian ie big bull dyke i should feel offended?
or a bisexual who does not know her arse from her elbow and proclaims herself to be gay?
i watch these programmes from time to time and actually think they are very funny.

i would see your point of view if it was a mainstream film trying to break down barriers but if it is an obvious tongue in cheek portrayal of a cartoon?
they cover everything from race issues to gender issues to special needs issues etc.
and actually if you concentrate the irony does be oozing.
when these writers of these shows are restrained it will be a sad day.

if you worry about these things you will just get stressed

its ok to laugh at ourselves.

but this thread is about a film so i fear i digress. is it mainstream?

deirdre_dub

Lovely Dyke wrote: »

so everything i see a harmful stereotype of a lesbian ie big bull dyke i should feel offended?
or a bisexual who does not know her arse from her elbow and proclaims herself to be gay?

That's not what Links said. Read what she wrote again.

i would see your point of view if it was a mainstream film trying to break down barriers but if it is an obvious tongue in cheek portrayal of a cartoon?

Nope - it wasn't an obvious tongue in cheek portrayal.

they cover everything from race issues to gender issues to special needs issues etc.

Yup - and they are well known for being very sympathetic to those minorities. Which is in stark contrast to their approach to trans people.

when these writers of these shows are restrained it will be a sad day.

When people in positions of influence like that aren't balanced in their approach, it is a sad day.

if you worry about these things you will just get stressed

Oh thank you for your concern! :rolleyes: Of course, if I don't have an appropriate amount of worry about them, then I'm putting myself in danger...

its ok to laugh at ourselves.

Yup - but is it OK when those with this level of influence exploit stereotypes for laughs (money) without giving the other side of the story?

Rev Hellfire

Perhaps people should wait until the film is released before passing judgement, who knows you might actually be pleasantly surprised.

Links234

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Perhaps people should wait until the film is released before passing judgement, who knows you might actually be pleasantly surprised.

I did say that I was gonna wait to pass judgment, I'm just explaining why others would be dubious about it.

Lovely Dyke wrote: »

so everything i see a harmful stereotype of a lesbian ie big bull dyke i should feel offended?
or a bisexual who does not know her arse from her elbow and proclaims herself to be gay?
i watch these programmes from time to time and actually think they are very funny.

i would see your point of view if it was a mainstream film trying to break down barriers but if it is an obvious tongue in cheek portrayal of a cartoon?
they cover everything from race issues to gender issues to special needs issues etc.
and actually if you concentrate the irony does be oozing.
when these writers of these shows are restrained it will be a sad day.

if you worry about these things you will just get stressed

its ok to laugh at ourselves.

but this thread is about a film so i fear i digress. is it mainstream?

I don't mind laughing at ourselves, the problem is, there's almost nothing of ourselves in the kinds of depictions of transgender people in mainstream media.

South Park's handling of trans issues is just one example of many, and like Deirdre said it shows many minorities in a favourable light, but not so with trans people. the show contrasts someone getting a 'sex change' with someone getting surgery to look like a dolphin, which adds greatly to the mockery that trans people are subjected to. and the character who goes for the procedure is a gay man who has severe issues with his sexuality, which paints trans people as deeply confused individuals.

but that's not to single out South Park, it's a drip in the ocean so to speak. I can brush off any one negative portrayal, none of them on their own particularly matter, but taken together they inform mainstream culture and multiple negative portrayals all reinforce each other, and it does have an effect on the perception of trans people, especially when we are such a tiny minority. there's almost hysteria about trans women "tricking" straight guys into sleeping with them, this rears it's head in just about every thread on other forums here. this idea that trans women are out to trick guys, or that they'd never tell a guy before having any intimate relationships, is reinforced so often in popular media that people take it as gospel and however much we'd would protest that not only would we not do that to someone else, we wouldn't put our lives at risk by putting ourselves in that position either... but we get all but accused of lying (it's happened right here on boards before). popular culture's idea of trans people is greatly informed by media representations, and every comedy show where the humour is found in some guy being the object of laughter for unwittingly sleeping with a "tranny" adds to that, and there is so very little in mainstream media to counteract that, so these ideas perpetuate themselves, the transsexual as the trickster or "trap" and so on.

I've spoken about this subject before in this article.

in this clip, Bill Maher highlights how big an impact TV has made on gay rights issues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0Z9QDSL5E

so you honestly can't downplay the importance of media

Bottle_of_Smoke

republican film or just an Irish assassin? crying game was a decent enough show