NCT/Cars over 10 years?

francie81

I just learnt that as of from June 1st cars over 10 years only get 1 year cert:eek:, wtf is that about??? Disgrace

Big Nasty

Last months years news dude!

charlemont

Yes, Its a joke but the roll-over population we have means they can get away with it. Its good from a safety point of view but we all know its not about safety, its about money, Iv my NCT coming up soon, Hopefully it'll pass, Its in very good condition.

kirving

It is fair to say that cars over 10 years old are more prone to problems than say a new car, so there is some logic in it, albiet a very small amount.

Tires aren't exactly going to wear down faster in an old car, all things being equal.

Seat belts aren't twich as likely to break compared to a 9 year old car.:pac:

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In reality, there is f-all difference between an 8 year old and a ten year old car.

It's a great excuse for people to buy new cars though, and pay a nice big lump of VRT to the government.

There is another view though, that paying €40 a year for a check-over is good value, especically when a car is getting old. However, most of the stff(beside emmissions) is cop-on and if you're driving around with a broken light, that should be dealt with by the Gardai and not NCT once a year.

slimjimmc

There's sweet f.a. difference between a 3yr old car and a 4yr old either but a standard has to be set somewhere. Age is a reasonable choice despite the fact that it's not a true indicator of a car's condition.

Mr. Loverman

It's just another indirect tax.

If only the entire country could get organised and refuse to pay for this sort of ****e. They can't put all of us in jail.

CiniO

I generally agree with idea of annual testing.
Not a really problem for me, as I always try to keep my cars in such condition, that on any random day they would pass NCT.

The only problem which I think is a joke is the way that NCT system works.

Prebooking appointments months before because of big delays. Issuing cert to the date of anniversary, and not for a year. Generally I always have to prebook the thing early, and then ask for a day off my work to get there. It's a complete disaster to use your holidays to do NCT.

The way system should work is just that anyone can drop into the centre anytime for a test.
If there's a queue I'd be happy to wait a bit. If the queue is too big, I'd just come back next day.
Test cert should be issued for a year (or two with newer cars) from the date of the test.

F.E. now you can do test up to 3 months before due date. Assume it's due on 1st October - so you can do test on 1st July. What if you need to take car for a trip abroad today for 5 months? You can't do NCT before you go. And while you're gone NCT will run out.
There should be a possibility to do NCT anytime and get a yearly (or two years) cert from date of the test.

Break all ties

I agree totally, it is a joke. So your friend can't take your car for the test?

Here I can get a technical test done anytime at any station of my choice. I just have to queue up and wait my turn, it only takes 10 mins. Whilst my current test expires in Feb 2012, I can get a test tomorrow if I so desired.

Guy:Incognito

CiniO wrote: »

Issuing cert to the date of anniversary, and not for a year. .

Issueing it for a year from test date means quite a few people will be going 18 months or more between tests. People try to take advantage. Lots of peopel with vans get it doed then put 3 months tax, then 6, then a year meaning they dotn doe it for up to 21 months.

tuborg_man

Ye the anniversary was a good way to start the testing process but it really is in need of going to an yearly cert, booked a test at the end of may for my little subaru and there was no test in 2 of the closest centre's, I did eventually get the test on 3rd of june.
My car know has an 8 months test that i had to pay 78 euro for. This combined with no enforcement of the nct cert ( in my eyes anyway) means people are getting tempted not to bother.

Guy:Incognito

tuborg_man wrote: »

Ye the anniversary was a good way to start the testing process but it really is in need of going to an yearly cert, booked a test at the end of may for my little subaru and there was no test in 2 of the closest centre's, I did eventually get the test on 3rd of june.
My car know has an 8 months test that i had to pay 78 euro for. This combined with no enforcement of the nct cert ( in my eyes anyway) means people are getting tempted not to bother.

Its hardly their fault the car failed and needed a retest.or that you waited till it was 4 months overdue.

M cebee

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Issueing it for a year from test date means quite a few people will be going 18 months or more between tests. People try to take advantage. Lots of peopel with vans get it doed then put 3 months tax, then 6, then a year meaning they dotn doe it for up to 21 months.

is it not illegal to drive with no DOE?

would insurance cover you even?

Guy:Incognito

M cebee wrote: »

is it not illegal to drive with no DOE?

would insurance cover you even?

It's an offence alright. People still do it though,

Much like driving without an NCT

CiniO

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Issueing it for a year from test date means quite a few people will be going 18 months or more between tests. People try to take advantage. Lots of peopel with vans get it doed then put 3 months tax, then 6, then a year meaning they dotn doe it for up to 21 months.

That argument doesn't convience me it's worth it.

If people tent to delay doing NCT there should be some way to enforce it.
The easiest I can think of would be insurance industry - if Insurance companies would put in their rules a point that insurance is not valid if car has no valid NCT, then I'm sure all those people would get NCT ASAP.

But by doing it with anniversary date it makes stupid situations like the one with going abroad I described before.

Also other example would be someone who is genuinely not using his car for some period, and then want to have it back on the road.
There's a big change that after NCTing it, the cert will be only for something like 4 months.

unkel

CiniO wrote: »

The only problem which I think is a joke is the way that NCT system works.

Prebooking appointments months before because of big delays.

Usually you can make an appointment within a few weeks. You can do it 3 months early anyway, so what's the problem?

And taking days off work? Dunno about other NCT centres, but the one I go to is open from 7AM-9PM 6 days a week or something like that.

CiniO wrote: »

What if you need to take car for a trip abroad today for 5 months?

Are you having a laugh? How many people would need to take their car out of the country for 5 months? Should the NCT be expected to cater for every single highly exceptional situation like that?

Guy:Incognito

unkel wrote: »

And taking days off work? Dunno about other NCT centres, but the one I go to is open from 7AM-9PM 6 days a week or something like that.

Fonthill is 7 days a week anyway, I've had it done on a Sunday there.

Our man in Havana

Are you having a laugh? How many people would need to take their car out of the country for 5 months? Should the NCT be expected to cater for every single highly exceptional situation like that?

Yes they should.

CiniO

unkel wrote: »

Usually you can make an appointment within a few weeks. You can do it 3 months early anyway, so what's the problem?

And taking days off work? Dunno about other NCT centres, but the one I go to is open from 7AM-9PM 6 days a week or something like that.

So maybe I'm just the unlucky one that was told few times by reservations centre there was nothing available in next 6 months in my area.

Besides you are right with opening times. It's usually long days and weekends as well. It can suit perfectly people who work Monday - Friday 9-5. But other people work different shifts, and say if I book today NCT for the 30th August at 9pm, there's no way to know at the moment if they will need me at work then or nor. So I'll have to request that evening off work intentionally before. It's not very handy.

Are you having a laugh? How many people would need to take their car out of the country for 5 months? Should the NCT be expected to cater for every single highly exceptional situation like that?

No I'm absolutely not having a laugh.
We live in Europe and it's quite normal that people take their cars abroad.
I can't understand why NCT is making it difficult and sometimes impossible.
AFAIK in vast majority of EU countries, you can do a test before leaving your country, and have it valid for a year. So you can stay with your car abroad for a year.

Guy:Incognito

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Yes they should.

Is there anything, in any walk of life that "cater for every single highly exceptional situation "

No matter what system is in place, someone will always have something they want to do that isnt available.

slimjimmc

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Yes they should.

I wonder how they survive in NI, they have to the MOT test within 28days of the due date every year for all cars over 4yrs. Our 90days (180 days for first test) in advance seems a luxury, and you can nearly always get a slot within a few weeks if you try.

CiniO

slimjimmc wrote: »

I wonder how they survive in NI, they have to the MOT test within 28days of the due date every year for all cars over 4yrs. Our 90days (180 days for first test) in advance seems a luxury, and you can nearly always get a slot within a few weeks if you try.

But if you read throughly link you provided, exactly that part:

If the vehicle is tested within 28 days prior to when the MOT is due, the test certificate will run from the date of the test to one year after the expiry date of the current certificate. For example, if the current certificate was due to expire on 1 April 2009, and the vehicle was presented on or after 4 March 2009, the certificate would run from the test date until 1 April 2010.
The same rule would also apply when the vehicle is taken in within 28 days of its first MOT. In this case, the vehicle owner would need to present their registration document.
If the vehicle is tested earlier than 28 days before its due date, the MOT will only run for twelve months.

You will learn, that MOT can be carried out anytime.
F.E if you test is due on October 2011, but you want to do it today (10th June 2011) because you are going abroad for 10 months, there's completely no problem with it, your test will be done today, and certificate will be valid until 10th June 2012.

That thing is impossible in Ireland.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

Besides you are right with opening times. It's usually long days and weekends as well. It can suit perfectly people who work Monday - Friday 9-5. But other people work different shifts, and say if I book today NCT for the 30th August at 9pm, there's no way to know at the moment if they will need me at work then or nor. So I'll have to request that evening off work intentionally before. It's not very handy.

Ring every morning for a cancellation appointment any day that suits you. You are very likely to be successful that way. Surely if they can give you 5 months off you can arrange an NCT around your days off anyway.

unkel

RoverJames wrote: »

Surely if they can give you 5 months off you can arrange an NCT around your days off anyway.

I wish I had an employer like that...

CiniO

RoverJames wrote: »

Ring every morning for a cancellation appointment any day that suits you. You are very likely to be successful that way. Surely if they can give you 5 months off you can arrange an NCT around your days off anyway.

I was talking only about things that I find annoying.
I don't have problems doing it, but I was just saying that there are easier ways to do it, and they work in other countries.

The worst is just that time-frames that I mentioned before.

3 months before due date, and no earlier.
The same applies when renewing your licence AFAIR.

It's completely not suitable for people who are travelling abroad for longer periods.

In worst case you can only go for 3 months, as your NCT and licence will expire.

In every other country regualtion would allow to do a car test or renew licence anytime.

CiniO

unkel wrote: »

I wish I had an employer like that...

Me to

corktina

i wish I had an Employer:mad:

Traumadoc

Actually will probably affect poorer people most.
SIMI have been trying to get this , 2nd hand prices of older cars will plummet.

Very little to do with road safety imo.

pcardin

While I do not have any problem with a fact that test would be annually for my car now I still agree a lot with CiniO that system how the NCT is being done here is really backward. And this national tradition of doing simple things difficult is not affecting only NCT (remember the broadband thing for example - at least 10 years behind the rest of the civilised world or banks that work on times when you also work and are closed when you're off the work). I'm sorry, but telling people who book their nct today that the slot available for them will be sometime within next 3 months is an idiotic system. The way NCT works in most european countries could be also done here if wanted but can anyone give any reason why it doesn't work so?

By saying that I never book NCT online. I just ring them and ask for any free slot and for the past few years always got a slot available for a date in the next week or so.

tuborg_man

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Its hardly their fault the car failed and needed a retest.or that you waited till it was 4 months overdue.

only bought the car but i understand your point,

biko

francie81 wrote: »

I just learnt that as of from June 1st cars over 10 years only get 1 year cert:eek:, wtf is that about??? Disgrace

OMG :eek: eh no - old news with threads started every two weeks or so for the last year

BronsonTB

Just goes to show how many people passed no attention when this was announced...And it got plenty of publicity both papers/radio & on the net.

But as soon as it effects them they suddenly wake up....lol

End result will be alot less classics/vintage on the roads in years to come....

I'm sure pre 80 reg's will get more valuable as time goes on....

Guy:Incognito

BronsonTB wrote: »

Just goes to show how many people passed no attention when this was announced...And it got plenty of publicity both papers/radio & on the net.

But as soon as it effects them they suddenly wake up....lol

End result will be alot less classics/vintage on the roads in years to come....

I'm sure pre 80 reg's will get more valuable as time goes on....

If €50 every year instead of every 2nd year is the difference between ia car being scrapped or not then it probably doesnt have much of a future anyway and maintenance cost wont have been high on the list of priorities.