"3 in 4 professionals may leave the country"

jon1981

:mad:

seriously do we need this crap published? It seems the media are hell bent on destroying good news with bad news. This is not the sort of publicity we really need, yesterday you have large global companies announcing investment and job creation and then today you have it being published in the media "but out yeah all those people might just uproot and f**K off leaving no talent here".

Ah maybe you can't blame the media and that is the general public mindset...but is it? Most people I know in the industries of Engineering, IT and Finance haven't mentioned leaving the country any time soon!

My name is URL

Where was that printed/mentioned? Any links?

Celly Smunt

there is more work for the likes of I.T etc here than the likes of construction jobs and such,I'd imagine whoever wrote this got the story the wrong way round.

ejmaztec

My name is URL wrote: »

Where was that printed/mentioned? Any links?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0608/breaking15.html

More professionals could emigrate






PAMELA NEWENHAM
Three out of four professionals would consider leaving Ireland in the next three years if the economy does not improve, a new survey has found.
The survey of people from IT, accountancy and engineering backgrounds also found that 14 per cent of professionals who emigrated in the last three years did so for warmer weather.
A desire to live in a warmer climate was particularly evident among accountants, 26 per cent of whom said climate had influenced their decision to move abroad.
Two-thirds of respondents to the survey, carried out by Hays recruitment company, said they were no confident job prospects would improve in Ireland in the next three years, while 81 per cent believe the Government’s Jobs Initiative will not help employment figures.
More than a third (35 per cent) of the survey’s 2,173 respondents said they had left the country in the last three years for work – some to pursue an opportunity and others because they had no other option.
Some 27 per cent left for the UK, 22 per cent for another European country, 15 per cent for Australasia and 7 per cent for North America. Three in five of those who have moved away from Ireland believe the quality of life is better where they live now.

kfallon

As long as it's not 3 out of 4 pro's cos otherwise we're gonna have a lot of heavy 'bags' around :pac:

Nijmegen

One might say that if the media had good news to tell, they'd be telling more of it. Where do you decide, quantifiably, that the press is being overly negative, or is just reporting what is actually happening?

I'd not like to live in a Pravda state where everything is dressed up for me while I'm living a life completely different to the official version.

Fact is, I personally know a lot of professionals - people with families, not single grads - who are thinking of, are, or have already made the move.

They didn't make their decision because the Irish Times ran a series of poor articles about Ireland. They made it after months and months of job searching to no avail.

The proof is in the eating.

squod

Too many chancers out there at the mo. Every other company wants to employ a genius for half the price of an idiot. Can't blame people for leaving.

Celly Smunt

ejmaztec wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0608/breaking15.html

Her command of English is painful,can we not get rid of her first?

vicwatson

It's also been on the RTE radio one news since 10a.m.

ejmaztec

It's plain as day that a lot of people are going to leave the country if things don't improve, and a sh1tload have gone already.

It's good that the media reports on the situation, or we'd be persuaded that a drop in the unemployment means that lots of jobs are miraculously found in Ireland.

Are the other 1 in 4 professionals not allowed to leave the country? :pac:

opinion guy

jon1981 wrote: »

:mad:

seriously do we need this crap published? It seems the media are hell bent on destroying good news with bad news. This is not the sort of publicity we really need, yesterday you have large global companies announcing investment and job creation and then today you have it being published in the media "but out yeah all those people might just uproot and f**K off leaving no talent here".

Ah maybe you can't blame the media and that is the general public mindset...but is it? Most people I know in the industries of Engineering, IT and Finance haven't mentioned leaving the country any time soon!

Oh no much better off if we just pretended it wasn't happening and left at note at the airport saying "Last one out turn off the lights"

My name is URL

Jaysus, that's grim. Though 14% emigrated because they wanted better weather.. if the bad weather is one of the main things we have to worry about then it's not as bad as it sounds!

Here's some good news to counter the article - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0607/breaking52.html?via=mr

cosmicfart

professionals get paid to much in this country anyways. let them go abroad and see they only get half the wages what they get here and then come back and take on a job at 'realistic' levels we can afford.

1 in 2 people know how to make up statistics.

ejmaztec

pmcmahon wrote: »

Her command of English is painful,can we not get rid of her first?

She was probably a cleaning lady who replaced the original reporter, after the latter fecked off overseas for a better job and warmer weather.

SEPT 23 1989

Are these the same "professionals" that got us into the sh1t in the first place?

D1stant

This 'suvery' was carried out by a recruitment agency?

i.e. the people questioned were already out of work or looking for a job

Er.. wouldnt that skew things slightly?

Had to laugh at this

'A desire to live in a warmer climate was particularly evident among accountants, 26 per cent of whom said climate had influenced their decision to move abroad.'

TheZohanS

I think the media learned their lesson from the crash, up until then it was all happy, happy news except for the rare article from the likes of Morgan Kelly. I know the news is depressing but I think we're better off hearing it and taking from it what we will rather than than be presented with good news stories that have no place in reality.

From my class in college I would say around 50% have emigrated thus far and more are making plans to join them.

kfallon

D1stant wrote: »

This 'suvery' was carried out by a recruitment agency?

Recruitment Agencies.....about as much use as tits on a bull :rolleyes:

henryporter

bluewolf wrote: »

Are the other 1 in 4 professionals not allowed to leave the country? :pac:

They have to stay here to pay public servant wages and social welfare for everyone else

seamus

Let's back up the fncking truck here.

This is the laziest piece of journalism I've seen in a while. I'm surprised the times printed it. Two big clues:
1. It was a survey carried out by a recruitment company on their database
2. More than one-third of respondents were emigrants

This tells us that everyone that they asked in this survey is either looking for a job or was doing so recently.

In other words what the statistics actually mean is that when jobseekers were asked "Would you consider leaving Ireland if you didn't find a job in 3 years time?", 75% of them answered, "Yes I would consider it".

There's no news here, I'm surprised 100% of them didn't say they'd at least think about it.

Celly Smunt

she also fails to point that many many many professionals are tied up in Ireland with huge mortgages,car loans and family etc and won't be going anywhere soon,scaremongering to the highest degree.

faceman

What's a 'professional'? I hate that word. It doesn't define anything

Wompa1

Deleted User wrote: »

1 in 2 people know how to make up statistics.

40% of all people know that

Statistics are great. So easily corruptable. It's what Psychology is based on which is also completely corrupt.

srsly78

Lots of us only emigrate for the winter

Logical Fallacy

D1stant wrote: »

This 'suvery' was carried out by a recruitment agency?

i.e. the people questioned were already out of work or looking for a job

Er.. wouldnt that skew things slightly?

Had to laugh at this

'A desire to live in a warmer climate was particularly evident among accountants, 26 per cent of whom said climate had influenced their decision to move abroad.'

Warmer weather would cover up all the sweating they have been doing for cooking the books.

Teyla Emmagan

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Are these the same "professionals" that got us into the sh1t in the first place?

I doubt it, because those ones have left already. They're probably the same professionals paying at the higher rate of tax to get us back out though.

Celly Smunt

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I doubt it, because those ones have left already. They're probably the same professionals paying at the higher rate of tax to get us back out though.

i don't know many people earning enough to pay the higher rate anymore so i doubt it.

TheZohanS

cosmicfart wrote: »

professionals get paid to much in this country anyways. let them go abroad and see they only get half the wages what they get here and then come back and take on a job at 'realistic' levels we can afford.

The downside to that is the state pays for educating these professionals and another country reaps the benefit of that education. We recoup the cost of their education through taxes and if they emigrate we lose out.

Teyla Emmagan

pmcmahon wrote: »

i don't know many people earning enough to pay the higher rate anymore so i doubt it.

Well I do. And most of them were not in any way instrumental in getting us into the current mess. The generalisation just annoys me - just because you work in a bank it doesn't mean you're responsible for the country's downfall etc.

Celly Smunt

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Well I do. And most of them were not in any way instrumental in getting us into the current mess. The generalisation just annoys me - just because you work in a bank it doesn't mean you're responsible for the country's downfall etc.

ah but you are

srsly78

TheZohan wrote: »

The downside to that is the state pays for educating these professionals and another country reaps the benefit of that education. We recoup the cost of their education through taxes and if they emigrate we lose out.

I got BTEA for 4 years, then emigrated. But I'm an idiot and came back

Up de Barrs

People who are being hammered by high taxes, social charge, PRSI, VHI (and soon household charge and water tax) see everyone from bankers to people playing the welfare system getting the benefit of their hard work. No wonder so many people are bailing out.

Teyla Emmagan

pmcmahon wrote: »

ah but you are

Ah but that's rubbish. Most people working in banks are way too far down the line from the decision making structure. They do what they're told, like anyone else.

Anyway..

Celly Smunt

srsly78 wrote: »

I got BTEA for 4 years, then emigrated. But I'm an idiot and came back

BTEA for 4 years!?

D1stant

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Warmer weather would cover up all the sweating they have been doing for cooking the books.

Indeed. But if we forced ALL the accountants to leave we would probably take in more tax

Almaviva

jon1981 wrote: »

:mad:seriously do we need this crap published?

Is it not your own post that is 'crap' as you say. The IT article doesnt say 3 in 4 may leave the country. They are your words. IT says 3 in 4 would 'consider' leaving. Not the same thing at all. Not everyone considering it will leave.If one in 10 of those considering it leave, then that would be 1 in 13. I have considered doing a lot of things that have never actually done.
Maybe more striking is why are 1 in 4 people not considering leaving ???

stovelid

Let's not be too hasty.

Is an emigratory flood of solicitors, recruitment consultants; apartment balcony designers, wedding designers and estate agents such a bad thing?

squod

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Ah but that's rubbish. Most people working in banks are way too far down the line from the decision making structure. They do what they're told, like anyone else.

Anyway..

Yeah, there's no-one to blame really. Everyone was just following orders.:rolleyes:

SEPT 23 1989

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Ah but that's rubbish. Most people working in banks are way too far down the line from the decision making structure. They do what they're told, like anyone else.

Anyway..

From my experience the arrogance runs from top to bottom

Dudess

Oh no squod, there are people to blame - where did anyone say there aren't? - just not, you know, 21-year-old cashiers doing a service many require and would be whingeing about if it didn't exist.

Dudess

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

From my experience the arrogance runs from top to bottom

Your "experience" isn't worth sh1t. And no doubt a lie.

Teyla Emmagan

Dudess wrote: »

Oh no, there are people to blame - where did anyone say there aren't? - just not, you know, 21-year-old cashiers doing a service many require and would be whingeing about if it didn't exist.

Exactly. For the love of God like. Think of all the people who work in a bank - HR, marketing, IT, mail room, branch staff, receptionists. Do you actually believe these people have any input into the bank's strategic decision making process??! They do in their eye. And most of them are certainly not 'arrogant' either SEPT 23 1989, and they certainly don't deserve to be blaimed for the mess we're in.

Celly Smunt

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Exactly. For the love of God like. Think of all the people who work in a bank - HR, marketing, IT, mail room, branch staff, receptionists. Do you actually believe these people have any input into the bank's strategic decision making process??! They do in their eye. And most of them are certainly not 'arrogant' either SEPT 23 1989, and they certainly don't deserve to be blaimed for the mess we're in.

but they work in a bank and all

SEPT 23 1989

Dudess wrote: »

Your "experience" isn't worth sh1t. And no doubt a lie.

Why is my experience worth nothing?

Dudess

I'm not a violent person, but if some KUNT told me to my face I'm somehow responsible for this economic mess because I did temping admin work in a bank in my early 20s, I'd happily slap them. Lol too at the experts who know about banking staff even though they never worked there. Oh and they were/are happy to use the service. I know some folks get an orgasm out of blaming people who aren't to blame, but... TRY to use critical thinking - it'll stand to you.

Celly Smunt

Dudess wrote: »

I'm not a violent person, but if some KUNT told me to my face I'm somehow responsible for this economic mess because I did temping admin work in a bank in my early 20s, I'd happily slap them. Lol too at the experts who know about banking staff even though they never worked there. Oh and they were/are happy to use the service. I know some folks get an orgasm out of blaming people who aren't to blame, but... TRY to use critical thinking - it'll stand to you.

i criticise people who work at banks :P

Dudess

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why is my experience worth nothing?

Because it's a blatant lie.

Chuck Stone

stovelid wrote: »

Let's not be too hasty.

Is an emigratory flood of solicitors, recruitment consultants; apartment balcony designers, wedding designers and estate agents such a bad thing?

Does this now mean we should reduce the number of 3rd level degrees, tutors and lecturers.

Even if we should - will it happen - fcuk no.

Teyla Emmagan

pmcmahon wrote: »

i criticise people who work at banks :P

Primarily it appears to be annoying!!