Eldrick Woods out of Us Open

Trampas

Just posted on his twitter page and website

https://twitter.com/#!/TigerWoods

http://web.tigerwoods.com/news/article/2011060720151470/news/

pauldoo

might be a good thing

at least we wont have every single tiger shot regardless of how hes playin

k.p.h

Might as well not have it on at all if he's not their IMHO.

k.p.h

pauldoo wrote: »

might be a good thing

at least we wont have every single tiger shot regardless of how hes playin

Seriously though..! I would be happy to watch every Woods regardless of how hes playing.

Osgoodisgood

k.p.h wrote: »

Seriously though..! I would be happy to watch every Woods regardless of how hes playing.

Really? If he's playing like a melon you still want to watch? In a car crash kind of way?

dvemail

Happy enough he's pulled out, don't think he would be able to contend this year.
His game ain't good enough at the moment.

staker

Outside the top ten, out of the Open, things ain't easy for the world's first sports billionaire these times.

Jimdagym

Delighted. Hate him.
Might get to watch some golf now. Even better if Leftie misses the cut.

Jimdagym

Just checked Paddy power. Westwood and Donald are 10/1 jf for this. When was the last time two englishmen were the favourites for a Major?

scrubber72

Jimdagym wrote: »

Just checked Paddy power. Westwood and Donald are 10/1 jf for this. When was the last time two englishmen were the favourites for a Major?

Probably the 1913 US open, it was Harry Vardon and Ted Ray were the top 2 players from the UK and it was won by Francis Quimet, who was a 20 year old caddy.
So by that reckoning lump on Ricki Fowler:D

Trampas

wouldn't be surprised if he missed the british open also

pauldoo

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

Really? If he's playing like a melon you still want to watch? In a car crash kind of way?

yeah, i like watchin him, but if hes playin neither good or bad(i enjoy the car crash stuff) and hes just not contending, they will show every single shot and all the analysis is about him, get a bit sick of it. on the other hand i would be happy to watch every shot from lefty-hes deadly

Almaviva

Gutted.:mad:

Not too pushed about watching it now. Interest waning in watching pro golf at all now without him.:mad:

k.p.h

Almaviva wrote: »

Gutted.:mad:

Not too pushed about watching it now. Interest waning in watching pro golf at all now without him.:mad:

Haha my sentiment exactly

k.p.h

scrubber72 wrote: »

Probably the 1913 US open, it was Harry Vardon and Ted Ray were the top 2 players from the UK and it was won by Francis Quimet, who was a 20 year old caddy.

As told in the Disney movie "The Greatest Game Ever Played". Top movie too one of my favorites. Easily found in torrent land also.

uberwolf

k.p.h wrote: »

As told in the Disney movie "The Greatest Game Ever Played". Top movie too one of my favorites. Easily found in torrent land also.

I read the book last summer and thoroughly enjoyed it.

LuckyGent88

disappointed to hear he will miss the tournament. While it is annoying that the coverage is just on him the whole time, it is always great to watch him in action. i just hope he gives himself the time off so he can get back to somewhere near his best as golf misses his genius badly at the moment imo.

Dtoffee

Could not care less, Woods is the epitome of what wrong with golf today. He's been spoilt and protected by vested interests who leeched off his talent ..... I do not believe spitting and swearing is acceptable behaviour on the golf course.

Woods got away with a lot, pity his attitude never matched his ability.

k.p.h

Dtoffee wrote: »

Woods got away with a lot, pity his attitude never matched his ability.

Their is a science called Psychology which if understood would help explain the behavior of Woods and his attitude. You have to remember that all people are intrinsically linked to their past and their personality is a product of their environment. It could quite easily mean the traits that make him so successful are also the traits that make people dislike him.

It's well known that introverted personalities do well at golf and it seems to me that Woods is actually an introvert. I'm not too sure how much of his fame he actually enjoys and believe this to be somewhat related to his behavior.

In all walks of life we see people with what could be called a bad attitude. But where dose it come from? People are not predisposed to bad attitude, it is something that is developed in response the surrounding environment and past.

I bet anyone here if asked off the top of the top of their head to name 5 troubled but gifted sports people they could instantly. I suspect a lot of these sports people miss out on a lot a personality forming experiences in their life because they are expending all their energy and effort in the pursuit of excellence at whichever sport they play.

Karl Morris talks about Real Self vs Performer Self, He also talk about not letting someones golf game define them. E.g bad at golf dose not make you a bad person, or vice versa. The fact that golf is just a game. Well what if golf was not just a game, what if it was your lively hood, something you had spent your life pursuing. How would it effect you.?

What I just said is not directed at you Dtoffee by the way.I do actually agree that he has a bad attitude. I just wanted to point out that it is not a simple case of "oh he has a bad attitude". Not just because he is Tiger Woods but because their is no simple case of bad attitude or anything like that everyone is shaped by their past and surroundings.

fullstop

k.p.h wrote: »

Their is a science called Psychology which if understood would help explain the behavior of Woods and his attitude. You have to remember that all people are intrinsically linked to their past and their personality is a product of their environment. It could quite easily mean the traits that make him so successful are also the traits that make people dislike him.

It's well known that introverted personalities do well at golf and it seems to me that Woods is actually an introvert. I'm not too sure how much of his fame he actually enjoys and believe this to be somewhat related to his behavior.

In all walks of life we see people with what could be called a bad attitude. But where dose it come from? People are not predisposed to bad attitude, it is something that is developed in response the surrounding environment and past.

I bet anyone here if asked off the top of the top of their head to name 5 troubled but gifted sports people they could instantly. I suspect a lot of these sports people miss out on a lot a personality forming experiences in their life because they are expending all their energy and effort in the pursuit of excellence at whichever sport they play.

Karl Morris talks about Real Self vs Performer Self, He also talk about not letting someones golf game define them. E.g bad at golf dose not make you a bad person, or vice versa. The fact that golf is just a game. Well what if golf was not just a game, what if it was your lively hood, something you had spent your life pursuing. How would it effect you.?

What I just said is not directed at you Dtoffee by the way.I do actually agree that he has a bad attitude. I just wanted to point out that it is not a simple case of "oh he has a bad attitude". Not just because he is Tiger Woods but because their is no simple case of bad attitude or anything like that everyone is shaped by their past and surroundings.

Padraig, is that you?

sunbabe08

phew. was in paddy powers yesterday and looking to put a bet on the golf for the u.s open. 18-1 tiger woods sounded like a good bet to me, thank god i said i'll wait.

uberwolf

sunbabe08 wrote: »

phew. was in paddy powers yesterday and looking to put a bet on the golf for the u.s open. 18-1 tiger woods sounded like a good bet to me, thank god i said i'll wait.

tbh, I don't think his withdrawal has materially affected his chances of winning.

saintastic

sunbabe08 wrote: »

phew. was in paddy powers yesterday and looking to put a bet on the golf for the u.s open. 18-1 tiger woods sounded like a good bet to me, thank god i said i'll wait.

You probably would have got your money back.

Tiger is the best/2nd best golfer there has ever been. Not having him at a Major is a loss regardless of your opinion of him.

Young_gunner

Dtoffee wrote: »

Could not care less, Woods is the epitome of what wrong with golf today. He's been spoilt and protected by vested interests who leeched off his talent ..... I do not believe spitting and swearing is acceptable behaviour on the golf course.

Woods got away with a lot, pity his attitude never matched his ability.

"spitting and swearing" on a golf course? that pretty much rules out half the field there mate......AND 90% of club golfers.....

BigChap1759

k.p.h wrote: »

Their is a science called Psychology which if understood would help explain the behavior of Woods and his attitude. You have to remember that all people are intrinsically linked to their past and their personality is a product of their environment. It could quite easily mean the traits that make him so successful are also the traits that make people dislike him.

It's well known that introverted personalities do well at golf and it seems to me that Woods is actually an introvert. I'm not too sure how much of his fame he actually enjoys and believe this to be somewhat related to his behavior.

In all walks of life we see people with what could be called a bad attitude. But where dose it come from? People are not predisposed to bad attitude, it is something that is developed in response the surrounding environment and past.

I bet anyone here if asked off the top of the top of their head to name 5 troubled but gifted sports people they could instantly. I suspect a lot of these sports people miss out on a lot a personality forming experiences in their life because they are expending all their energy and effort in the pursuit of excellence at whichever sport they play.

Karl Morris talks about Real Self vs Performer Self, He also talk about not letting someones golf game define them. E.g bad at golf dose not make you a bad person, or vice versa. The fact that golf is just a game. Well what if golf was not just a game, what if it was your lively hood, something you had spent your life pursuing. How would it effect you.?

What I just said is not directed at you Dtoffee by the way.I do actually agree that he has a bad attitude. I just wanted to point out that it is not a simple case of "oh he has a bad attitude". Not just because he is Tiger Woods but because their is no simple case of bad attitude or anything like that everyone is shaped by their past and surroundings.

Sounds to me like the typical American "it's not my fault" syndrome. We all have self awareness and the ability to analyse our own actions so I don't buy this - Woods is a brat plain and simple, terrible ettiquete and does not have respect for the game of golf as a whole - only interested in tigerwoods.com

No big loss, especially the way he's been playing the last 18 months...

Johnny_Fontane

Echo some comments here about a big loss with him missing. I think everybody would love to see him back to his best.

The knee problem is something that money cant really fix though, so thats the crux of it....injury may eventually silence the tiger, it would be a massive shame because he's a legend in the game.

Trampas

It this the end of Eldrick?

I can't see him playing in tourneys unless he knows he can win. He wont play if he is in the slums

Dtoffee

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Sounds to me like the typical American "it's not my fault" syndrome. We all have self awareness and the ability to analyse our own actions so I don't buy this - Woods is a brat plain and simple, terrible ettiquete and does not have respect for the game of golf as a whole - only interested in tigerwoods.com

No big loss, especially the way he's been playing the last 18 months...

nailed ..... he's a grown man, well educated and fully aware of etiquette on and off the golf course. Pyschology might 'explain' his behaviour to those that needs explainations, but it certainly does not justify his continued behaviour given his knowledge of the game. Would caddies be allowed spit on the greens just because of their past and personality???

As for

"spitting and swearing" on a golf course? that pretty much rules out half the field there mate......AND 90% of club golfers.....

I totally agree that 90% + of club golfers swear ..... but doubt that 90% spit. I would also point out that it grossly unfair to compare club golfers or even club pros with a world superstar like Tiger Woods. Woods earns millions and is watched by millions, his behaviour sets the standard and I think he has failed in his duty to lead by example. Compare his petulant behaviour to Paraig Harrington, who conducts himself professionally at all times.

As an adult, Woods knows the etiquette of golf but clearly believes HE is above such responsibility and has continued his bad habits regardless .... we all know wrong from right and its to the detriment of the game that his behaviour is accepted.

Young_gunner

Dtoffee wrote: »

nailed ..... he's a grown man, well educated and fully aware of etiquette on and off the golf course. Pyschology might 'explain' his behaviour to those that needs explainations, but it certainly does not justify his continued behaviour given his knowledge of the game. Would caddies be allowed spit on the greens just because of their past and personality???

As for

"spitting and swearing" on a golf course? that pretty much rules out half the field there mate......AND 90% of club golfers.....

I totally agree that 90% + of club golfers swear ..... but doubt that 90% spit. I would also point out that it grossly unfair to compare club golfers or even club pros with a world superstar like Tiger Woods. Woods earns millions and is watched by millions, his behaviour sets the standard and I think he has failed in his duty to lead by example. Compare his petulant behaviour to Paraig Harrington, who conducts himself professionally at all times.

As an adult, Woods knows the etiquette of golf but clearly believes HE is above such responsibility and has continued his bad habits regardless .... we all know wrong from right and its to the detriment of the game that his behaviour is accepted.

he was fined for spitting on the green, admitted it was wrong and apologised. Get over it.

his on-course behaviour otherwise is exactly what i'd expect off a world class athlete competing to win the big prizes. Compare him to Monty, Bjorn et al.

The guy's a legend and a superstar and no amount of begrudgery or jealousy can change that.

BigChap1759

Spitting on the green is the tip of the iceberg - constantly swearing, club throwing and generally beligerant behaviour do not make a "true" champion in golf - my opinion anyway.

He is a legend and (fast diminishing)superstar but he will never be close to the class of Jack or Arnie in terms of being a legend in the true sense - someone who understands and respects the game of golf.

No begrudgery here my friend :cool:

Young_gunner

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Spitting on the green is the tip of the iceberg - constantly swearing, club throwing and generally beligerant behaviour do not make a "true" champion in golf - my opinion anyway.

He is a legend and (fast diminishing)superstar but he will never be close to the class of Jack or Arnie in terms of being a legend in the true sense - someone who understands and respects the game of golf.

No begrudgery here my friend :cool:

fair enough.
personally i love seeing emotion and passion when a sportsman is in the heat of battle.

k.p.h

Jack Nicklaus 95 Open 4 shots to get out of Hells Bunker St.Andrews. Threw his club.

The only reason you didn't hear Nicklaus and Palmer swearing is because they didn't have microphones on them. I actually think it would be naive to believe anything different. Ben Hogan was no saint either if I am to believe what I have read. Just because they are portrayed in a lovely manner now their playing days are over dose not mean they were especially behaved on course.

I won't even get started on other golfers. To even think that that swearing an club throwing dose not happen occasionally to regularly on the golf course is naive.

Whether it's right or wrong it still happens a lot. I would much rather see guys getting involved and emotional about what they are doing rather than prancing about like fanny's. While it's still wrong it's not like he's going berserk or anything. I think a little perspective is needed.

John McEnroe
Roy Keane
Ronnie O Sullivan

BigChap1759

k.p.h are you honestly trying to say that you think Jack or Arnie were as bad as Woods is back in their day??

I'm not disputing Woods' talent or ability - I just don't think he is a good role model for other(especially young) golfers and I also don't think he has a particularly high regard for the traditions and ettiquete of golf.

As for the other sportsmen you mention - talented/genius sportsmen yes but I don't think any are/were role models in the way they conducted themselves.

Young_gunner

k.p.h wrote: »

Jack Nicklaus 95 Open 4 shots to get out of Hells Bunker St.Andrews. Threw his club.

The only reason you didn't hear Nicklaus and Palmer swearing is because they didn't have microphones on them. I actually think it would be naive to believe anything different. Ben Hogan was no saint either if I am to believe what I have read. Just because they are portrayed in a lovely manner now their playing days are over dose not mean they were especially behaved on course.

I won't even get started on other golfers. To even think that that swearing an club throwing dose not happen occasionally to regularly on the golf course is naive.

Whether it's right or wrong it still happens a lot. I would much rather see guys getting involved and emotional about what they are doing rather than prancing about like fanny's. While it's still wrong it's not like he's going berserk or anything. I think a little perspective is needed.

John McEnroe
Roy Keane
Ronnie O Sullivan

+1
couldn't agree more

Young_gunner

BigChap1759 wrote: »

k.p.h are you honestly trying to say that you think Jack or Arnie were as bad as Woods is back in their day??

I'm not disputing Woods' talent or ability - I just don't think he is a good role model for other(especially young) golfers and I also don't think he has a particularly high regard for the traditions and ettiquete of golf.

As for the other sportsmen you mention - talented/genius sportsmen yes but I don't think any are/were role models in the way they conducted themselves.

Should any sportspeople be considered as role models at all?
surely that's what parents are for?

i don't look to sports for role models, i look at sports to see athletes going at it 100%, competing to the highest standards.

you'd think Tiger had murdered someone listening to some of ye.
i think some perspective wouldn't go astray.

BigChap1759

There are golfers and there are people that play golf and then there are golf fans - I think most people who are golfers have a respect for the game and it's traditions - one of the things that makes it special and different from a lot of other sports.

Just my opinion.....:)

k.p.h

BigChap1759 wrote: »

k.p.h are you honestly trying to say that you think Jack or Arnie were as bad as Woods is back in their day??

I'm not disputing Woods' talent or ability - I just don't think he is a good role model for other(especially young) golfers and I also don't think he has a particularly high regard for the traditions and ettiquete of golf.

As for the other sportsmen you mention - talented/genius sportsmen yes but I don't think any are/were role models in the way they conducted themselves.

No I don't think they were as bad TBH. I was really just trying to put a bit of perspective on it. They are a lot of people with opinions of him that would make you think he was some sort of maniac golfer. If you look at all the incidents of him cursing and throwing clubs none of them are cases where he got angry with anyone one other than himself.

And it's the american version of swearing, him saying "jesus christ" is considered taboo. Most of the time he says something like "what are you tiger god damn it". Although their has been once or twice where he went a bit further. But you could have a list a mile long if you were to take every golfer who swears into account.

You are definitely right about him not being a great role model. But to me he dose seem like someone who is introverted,immature and slightly narcissistic. To me his issues come across as genuine issues and not just someone who is like "f*** it. I'l do what I want".

Something that really pisses me off is the fact that most of the stuff we hear or see of him comes from american media. Which as most people know is seriously ****ing retarded and backwards.

Anyway he is almost beyond defense with the way he act's sometimes but I just think we need to keep things in perspective and not blow things out of proportion.