Why even bother?

TestTransmission

I'm just back from the Motor tax office parting with some hard earned cash so I can stay motoring.How is it though that some people manage to flout the law and managed to slip through the net.

My neighbour bought a new second hand car there about 2 months ago,it is now currently both over a year out of date on tax and nct.It doesn't have a hell of a chance in passing the nct in the current state it's in and she's using it is a daily driver.
Are the rest of us all mugs then who pay our taxes and maintain our car so it passes the nct?I can forgive someone being out of tax/nct by a month or two,but surely a car like hers should have no place on the road.I went through quite a few checkpoints over the weekend,so I can imagine she's gone through her own fair set of checkpoints over the past 2 months,is it simply a case of batting her eyelashes and a getting a verbal warning from the Gardai or how is it people manage to get away with this?

In the event of a car being in an accident insurance companies should contest the claim if the claimant doesn't have a valid nct. Friend of mine who is much better off than me also doesn't pay his motor tax, it enrages me he hasn't been caught.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

In the event of a car being in an accident insurance companies should contest the claim if the claimant doesn't have a valid nct. Friend of mine who is much better off than me also doesn't pay his motor tax, it enrages me he hasn't been caught.

So report him

kiddums

TestTransmission wrote: »

I went through quite a few checkpoints over the weekend,so I can imagine she's gone through her own fair set of checkpoints over the past 2 months

I don't think that they nesessarly did.
In the past 6 months I've passed one checkpoint. And that was a customs one that was too busy lookin for diesel to check my details.(They weren't on the window at the time, I has no holder for them)
They tend not to have checkpoints during ruch hour traffic so they can be avoided completely by coincidence.

I do agree with you about the rest of it.
If I let my tax run out by 1 day you can be sure that'd be the day I got stopped for it. Last time it ran out by 1 day I was in a accident and the guards were called. They noticed the tax straight away. Luckly I has another disk I just forgot to put it in the window.

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

So report him

I believe in Karma

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe in Karma

The fruit of his action of non-payment may well be getting reported. But I suppose people will just sit around complaining on boards threads instead.

BronsonTB

The gaurds cannot & will never be able to stop every single car/vehicle for tax. They can only do random checks & as such there will always be people able to slip through esp if they never pass a checkpoint or have an accident. So if you know somebody abusing the system, report them!!
At least you've then done your bit & it is over to the gaurds to follow up...just like reporting any other crime....
Not everyone is up front & honest & some like to simply see how far they can push the system....

Reg'stoy

bluewolf wrote: »

So report him

Totally agree, maybe the OP reckons that a member of AGS might take it upon themselves, to a la Columbo; track the culprit down thanks to his thread .

Ring your local station, no doubt the person on the other end of the phone is also like you, a honest tax payer who is probably just as annoyed that people like your neighbour get away without paying their dues.

Hmmm, I wonder if I ring the revenue commissioners; might a certain sunglass wearing tool get done for tax avoidance.

TestTransmission

kiddums wrote: »

I don't think that they nesessarly did.
In the past 6 months I've passed one checkpoint. And that was a customs one that was too busy lookin for diesel to check my details.(They weren't on the window at the time, I has no holder for them)
They tend not to have checkpoints during ruch hour traffic so they can be avoided completely by coincidence.

I dont know where you live but the stretch of road my estate is on always has a checkpoint/traffic corp presence once or twice a week so odds are she has gone through one.

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Totally agree, maybe the OP reckons that a member of AGS might take it upon themselves, to a la Columbo; track the culprit down thanks to his thread .

Thanks for the helpful contribution there,it's a topic I want discussed.I know how to report someone.

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

The fruit of his action of non-payment may well be getting reported. But I suppose people will just sit around complaining on boards threads instead.

And others will sit making judgements...

Did you see i mentioned he was a friend? I let things slide with friends even if they annoy me, you don't?

Guy:Incognito

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I believe in Karma

Thats good so, you'll be due extra good karma for reporting a law breaker.

BronsonTB wrote: »

The gaurds cannot & will never be able to stop every single car/vehicle for tax. They can only do random checks

Random checks are not as random anymore. Checkpoints yes, but more and more cars are fitted with ANPR so the dont have to bother pulling people over randomly.

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Thats good so, you'll be due extra good karma for reporting a law breaker.

Ah sure thats sound, the karma from screwing over a friend should be balanced out so. Wonder whats more important to me?

biko

bluewolf wrote: »

So report him

Unfortunately many people believe in "someone [else] should do something!"

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Wonder whats more important to me?

Moaning about being enraged and reacting defensively when someone suggests you actually do something about it, apparently

biko

biko wrote: »

Unfortunately many people believe in "someone [else] should do something!"

Yip, in this case the guards, if it wasn't a friend he would be reported.
Many people here seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of a moral dilemma.

bluewolf wrote: »

Moaning about being enraged and reacting defensively when someone suggests you actually do something about it, apparently

In this case reporting him would replace my rage with guilt so il stick with the rage

Guy:Incognito

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Ah sure thats sound, the karma from screwing over a friend should be balanced out so. Wonder whats more important to me?

If you want to break it down so, he's screwing you over too, its just that in doing so he's also doing it to all the other tax payign people so the actual monetary amount to you personally is diluted.If you want to stick up your threshold for getting screwed for money without reacting, I'll gladly head over to your house like a court appointed sheriff and help myself to stuff up to that value.:)

Mena

Perhaps I'm going a step (or 10) too far, but I'd not complain if they brought in something similar to federal law in the states, where you can be an accessory after the fact.

Surely not reporting the person, knowing they are evading tax, should be punishable by 10 years in prison (I did say I was going a step or 10 too far).

That being said, would I report someone? No.

Mc Love

TestTransmission wrote: »

I dont know where you live but the stretch of road my estate is on always has a checkpoint/traffic corp presence once or twice a week so odds are she has gone through one.

Thats quite odd, I havent seen a checkpoint in over a year (touch wood) now that I wont be seeing a load of them.

Your neighbour doesnt have a relation or is friends with the Gardai?

Reg'stoy

TestTransmission wrote: »

Thanks for the helpful contribution there,it's a topic I want discussed.I know how to report someone.

Your welcome, but really what do you want. You, by conjecture, say that this neighbour has passed numerous checkpoints and that the Guards present have smiled and waved her through. I personally have passed many such checkpoints and smiled as I have seen others been ticketed. I recently suffered facial cramping after watching in my rear view mirror, MR White Van man who was to busy on his mobile to notice the marked car pull in from our right on the M50. Small victories OP, small victories.

Bar you physically do report this person, reading here how you are not alone in noticing that people are getting away with paying their societal dues will only make you more annoyed.

Another poster is correct in pointing out that with new ANPR technology the likely hood of her getting caught is increasing. So the next time you pass a checkpoint and see some motorist pulled aside smile like I do , because they too are somebody's neighbour who is equally annoyed that "the feeeing so 'n' so" is getting away with it.

So Sir, rest assured that everyday somebody's neighbour (not all of them mind you) is been pulled over and asked their details.

L-M

I've seen the car in question, I genuinely thought it was dumped there from seeing the state of it.