300 win mag

Minky 123

What are the draw backs of this caliber lads as there are so few using them?

GixxerThou

Recoil, ammo prices, have to use magnum can, not known for accuracy... doesnt kill deer as well as some smaller calibers.

Tackleberrywho

Minky 123 wrote: »

What are the draw backs of this caliber lads as there are so few using them?

A box in the mouth from Mike Tyson in his hay-day

At almost €50 a box of ammo not suitable for students

The Big Fella

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

A box in the mouth from Mike Tyson in his hay-day

At almost €50 a box of ammo not suitable for students

You must'nt be holding the gun right if your getting hit in the mouth.:rolleyes:

Mountainy Jack

It's a tad on the large size for Irish game too. There are a plethora of calibres better suited than it and people tend to go for those instead.

Tackleberrywho

The Big Fella wrote: »

You must'nt be holding the gun right if your getting hit in the mouth.:rolleyes:

The recoil resonates up through your cheek into your head and shakes your teeth.
When you go above .223 you might know what you are talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qPz7AchBs8

If you think it has no recoil, you out and buy a light barrelled one, for a young lad like you t'wud take the temper out of ya fairly quick

Minky, I watched a very experienced shooter suffer a serious headache for an evening after test firing a .300 win mag

moderator or brake is required and even then it is no push over

GixxerThou

Cool vid.. I fire 150g norma's in mine with a can, not too bad recoil then but in a light weight setup it wouldnt be nice.

The Big Fella

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

The recoil resonates up through your cheek into your head and shakes your teeth.
When you go above .223 you might know what you are talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qPz7AchBs8

If you think it has no recoil, you out and buy a light barrelled one, for a young lad like you t'wud take the temper out of ya fairly quick

Minky, I watched a very experienced shooter suffer a serious headache for an evening after test firing a .300 win mag

moderator or brake is required and even then it is no push over

You'd need a bit a weight behind that gun tac.;)

Tackleberrywho

The Big Fella wrote: »

You'd need a bit a weight behind that gun tac.;)

Well since I've at least 4 stone on you, you'd be fecked :eek:

The Big Fella

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Well since I've at least 4 stone on you, you'd be fecked :eek:

No I would'nt.;) Unless your 16 stone tac.:eek:

Tackleberrywho

The Big Fella wrote: »

No I would'nt.;) Unless your 16 stone tac.:eek:

Not far off :eek:

I always am amused why fella's want hard kicking rifles

90% of Accuracy IMHO comes from mild recoil. Big hitters only cause flinching.

The Big Fella

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Not far off :eek:

I always am amused why fella's want hard kicking rifles

90% of Accuracy IMHO comes from mild recoil. Big hitters only cause flinching.

Men dont flinch tac.;)

Tackleberrywho

The Big Fella wrote: »

Men dont flinch tac.;)

Yer a gas "man" for 19

have you ever fired anything bigger than a fox rifle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQJSZs-euZU

The Big Fella

Did you not watch this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxQQLoNL_P8&feature=related

FISMA

Minky 123 wrote: »

What are the draw backs of this caliber lads as there are so few using them?

Minky,
The 300 Win Mag is a great round. She'll shoot flatter than the 308. With the mass of bullets available and muzzle velocities, you're talking some kinetic energy.

As for accuracy, see what happens to the smaller rounds when you are shooting 600, 800, or more yards. They just won't hold.

The 300 Win Mag is popular in the states, but I doubt you would need one for Eire. The only case I could make would be if you planned on going after some bigger game: like Elk in Finland or African safari.

I love the American round, the 30-06. However, it is not necessary for Ireland. In Ireland, you probably do as well to have a 270. With that said, I love my 30-06 and have never had a runner in Ireland.

Major concern is going to be cost of ammo and supply. Then the kick. However, with a bit of a pad, anyone that knows how to shoulder a weapon will be fine. FWIW, look at how most everyone in Tack's last video drops their shoulder - amateurs.

Have a look at this table to see the recoil speeds.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

There's only a 2 feet per second difference between the 30-06 and the 300 win mag, not that big a difference. There's no problem shouldering a shot from a 30-06.

The main problem, as listed before, is anticipation of the kick and the shooter flinching. Unless you plan on shooting outside of Ireland, I would get a 270. 270 is more than enough for deer, shoots great, and is much more readily available over 30-06.

The 30-06 is a great round for taking most game. However, they tell me that if you are going to shoot an Elk at distances past 400ya, it is best/humane to step up to the magnums.

Again, this is a big round. The kind you want for distances, Elk, bear, and such.

The problem with using it on a deer is the mess you will make if not shot well. There will be a lot of wasted meat if you miss the boiler room.

The lighter rounds will be more forgiving when it comes to a misplaced shot.

It wasn't me!

It's a good round, but it's a bit specialist, not really an all rounder. If you intend shooting game bigger than deer, then it's a good idea, and don't worry about shooting deer with it either, it'll just get you practice. Recoil is substantial, no joke, but it's definitely manageable. It's loud though. I'd love one in the safe for long range stuff and a few special hunts I'd like to go on, but for 95% of the time, a .30-06 or a .270 will do you better. However, for what it does best, it's superb.

BELOWaverageIQ

Recoil ..smeecoil.......:rolleyes:

Get a properly set up rifle, A good stock, a muzzle break or a mod and the recoil is no problem.

One fine example of this is Dwight's boom stick.............its a pussy cat to shoot., cracking gun.

As for the video that Tack posted, that ejit closed his eyes and flinched before he pulled the trigger!, not a good example.

It wasn't me!

BELOWaverageIQ wrote: »

Recoil ..smeecoil.......:rolleyes:

Get a properly set up rifle, A good stock, a muzzle break or a mod and the recoil is no problem.

One fine example of this is Dwight's boom stick.............its a pussy cat to shoot., cracking gun.

As for the video that Tack posted, that ejit closed his eyes and flinched before he pulled the trigger!, not a good example.

Pretty much how I feel about it, though I don't like mods much and would rather avoid them if possible. Stock length is critical though. I tried dwighet's .300 without the break and found it no problem, more like a .270 than anything. Gun weight is the biggest part. Get a moderate weight rifle about 9.5 lb and you'll be fine. 26" medium heavy barrel to get the most out of exactly what the .300 magnums do best.

Tackleberrywho

BELOWaverageIQ wrote: »

Recoil ..smeecoil.......:rolleyes:

Get a properly set up rifle, A good stock, a muzzle break or a mod and the recoil is no problem.

One fine example of this is Dwight's boom stick.............its a pussy cat to shoot., cracking gun.

As for the video that Tack posted, that ejit closed his eyes and flinched before he pulled the trigger!, not a good example.

After seen D after firing 16 rounds out of his rifle, recoil is far from pussycat
a .308 Magnum is what it is, a brake brings it down to a hard hitting .308

Yes in a Blaser

Recoil may be acceptable, noise requiring muffs, and who wears muffs hunting?

If you want a very accurate flat shooter less is often more

BELOWaverageIQ

Have ya something caught in your eye there Tack?, your doing some amount of winking ! Or do you just fancy me?
Anyway as you were saying ; you said you seen Dw fire 16 shots, I've actually shot it and my light weight 30-06 makes it look like a pussy cat.

Tackleberrywho

BELOWaverageIQ wrote: »

Have ya something caught in your eye there Tack?, your doing some amount of winking ! Or do you just fancy me?
Anyway as you were saying ; you said you seen Dw fire 16 shots, I've actually shot it and my light weight 30-06 makes it look like a pussy cat.

I don't fancy you, just got a twitch

No need for .30-06 either lol (laugh out loud, for those over 40 )

I was looking at 2 Doe's on my section 42 this evening, had they been Bucks they were toast, anything over 1700ft/lbs would have dropped them easy at 100 yards.
For Target shooting their is more accurate out there. It was designed for shooting Game we don't have, so why bother? Almost €50 a box too yikes

tomcat220t

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I don't fancy you, just got a twitch

No need for .30-06 either lol (laugh out loud, for those over 40 )

I was looking at 2 Doe's on my section 42 this evening, had they been Bucks they were toast, anything over 1700ft/lbs would have dropped them easy at 100 yards.
For Target shooting their is more accurate out there. It was designed for shooting Game we don't have, so why bother? Almost €50 a box too yikes

Your bang on the money Tack.... The 300 win mag is an out dated and poor case design for accurate long range shooting .Its a long range hard hitting hunting round for large game .Ireland only has medium game so .270 is well up for that job.

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

No need for .30-06 either lol

True enough, but that's funny, coming from someone who specifically venerates .308 ammo which is loaded hotter than a stout .30-06 load. No need for a .308 either, mind, as smaller rounds will all do the job, and if accuracy is inversely proportional to recoil, surely you'd want the lightest kicking round for the job and use a .22-250 on deer. If you can shoot big guns well, great, go nuts, but everyone has their own tolerance. It can be trained up, but sooner or later you find your limit. .300 Win Mag doesn't particularly bother me, though it's definitely substantial. I've fired light .30-06s that definitely give them a run for their money (Even with 150 gr bullets, endasmail's little Blaser was a thumpy creature), so it's a function of the whole package. If the stock is the right length, you're not going to get rattled by the recoil and if you can focus on technique, you'll shoot well. Of all the .300 magnums, however, I'd have the .308 Norma Mag, personally (And one of the big reasons I'd like to be handloading). Magnums are for launching heavy bullets fast, and that has the better designed case for that job. As to "flat shooting hard hitters," if you want to get a 180 gr bullet to 3000 fps, you're going to have to put up with some recoil, so you can learn to deal with it and get on with your life, or you can find something else which may suit you fine, but for what a .300 magnum does best, it's pretty much perfect.

ejg

300wm seems a bit much for here and if a 30 mag then the 300wsm might be a better cartridge.
I'm just making a stock for a 300wm, this stock is made ultra light but has weights internally added as high as possible to reduce muzzle flip and recoil. We'll se how it works.
edi

bunny shooter

So would ye reckon shooting deer here with a 300 Win Mag is more or less the same as shooting a fox with say a .243.................it'll do the job but it's like driving a nail with a sledge hammer when a claw hammer will do?

It wasn't me!

bunny shooter wrote: »

So would ye reckon shooting deer here with a 300 Win Mag is more or less the same as shooting a fox with say a .243.................it'll do the job but it's like driving a nail with a sledge hammer when a claw hammer will do?

That's about right, it'll do just as well as a .308 but with more recoil. Use decent bullets and you won't wreck up meat either really as long as it avoids heavy bone. Then again, a .308 will kick more than a .243 and won't kill deer any deader, so it's a question of what you like using really. Certainly if you go abroad anywhere a .30 mag is appropriate, you'd be hunting with it here for practice anyway, so the idea of "too much" for our species is pretty irrelevant. If I were hunting abroad with a .375 H&H, I'd hunt deer with it here for practice, and I don't think the animal is going to know the difference. I would just like to get away from the idea that a .30 magnum is some fire breathing monster which nobody can handle. If that were true, there wouldn't be hundreds of thousands of people killing millions of game animals all over the world with them every year.

GixxerThou

On sika stags a win mag is miles ahead of a .308... The extra energy with the 300 makes it far better IMHO. Might be firing the same head but I would never take a .308 over the win mag...

bunny shooter

A friend of mine used shoot Sika on a lease in Wicklow and he reckoned his .270 was just enough to drop clean them during the rut. He's now on a lease shooting Fallow with a 6.5x55.

endasmail

alot of fairies on hear

ya cant handle the recoil ,dont buy the gun

It wasn't me!

endasmail wrote: »

alot of fairies on hear

ya cant handle the recoil ,dont buy the gun

Trouble is, people buy guns, then figure out they can't handle them. I know of a beautiful Ruger in .300 win mag in the UK going second hand, has 7 or 8 shots out of it and I reckon that's exactly what happened. It's not too bad, but me being able to handle it is no good to someone who can't. Your 30-06 is a hard hitter too, as it's so light. You manage to get that zero issue sorted by the way?

endasmail

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Trouble is, people buy guns, then figure out they can't handle them. I know of a beautiful Ruger in .300 win mag in the UK going second hand, has 7 or 8 shots out of it and I reckon that's exactly what happened. It's not too bad, but me being able to handle it is no good to someone who can't. Your 30-06 is a hard hitter too, as it's so light. You manage to get that zero issue sorted by the way?

yea IWM
the scope i bought turned out to be banjaxed
the turrets are gone on it ,no adjustment out of it what so ever ,on either windage or elevation
it cost me couple hundred rounds ,just to tell ya that bit of info

scope is going back to fixed

It wasn't me!

endasmail wrote: »

yea IWM
the scope i bought turned out to be banjaxed
the turrets are gone on it ,no adjustment out of it what so ever ,on either windage or elevation
it cost me couple hundred rounds ,just to tell ya that bit of info

scope is going back to fixed

Bollocks to that. I reckon it must have been shagged internally too since it wasn't even grouping.

customrifle

Fired a unique alpine previously in 300wm, was lovely gun to shoot and very accurate. think it was last year guy in states won out the f class running a 300wsm. If i were going for a dedicated long range rifle 1000+, and reloading was an option id get one built in 284win.
It has all the benefits of running the heavier grain bullets up to 210gr and running them fairly fast but the barrel live is deadly, ive read lads getting close to 4k rounds through them, the lads with the 7wsm are gettin 1k sometimes less. If i ever get all stuff sorted for wedding ill get one built on a remy action. Maybe that ll be my wedding present to myself:D