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67 borders for peace.

  • 05-06-2011 9:39am
    #1
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭


    housands of Israelis marched through Tel Aviv on
    Saturday urging Prime Minister Benjamin
    Netanyahu to accept a Palestinian state based on
    the 1967 borders.
    So far Netanyahu has resisted any withdrawal to
    the frontiers that existed before Israel captured
    the West Bank in the six- day war, saying it would
    be indefensible , but peace campaigners are
    backing the idea.
    Adam Keller is the from the Israeli peace group,
    Gush Shalom.
    “Israel should recognise the state of Palestine .
    Israel should make peace with Palestinians . Israel
    should accept the ’67 borders as the basis of
    peace. We think the government is leading us to
    disaster, Netanyahu is leading us to disaster. ”


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  • #2
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    The vast majority of the world agrees that 2 states should be created based on the 67 borders. The Israeli Government would prefer more land over peace - hence the ongoing settlements. They have bigger guns - and get to dictate the terms for the moment.

    It doesn't matter anyway, because the UN is going to recognise a Palestinian state in September based on the '67 borders.


  • #3
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Thanks heavens this topic has come up.
    We haven't discussed it in near two weeks.
    Time for a next round of to and fro...


  • #4
    Kevin Duffy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Start whatever thread you like, but I think most people know there is conflict in that area and that people on all sides of it have various opinions on what should happen next, so it's hardly news, is it?


  • #5
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Sadly OP, Zionism doesn't do compromise and it's the zionists who always seem to hold the reigns of power in Israel.


  • #6
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Polishing the head of the pin here, as inevitably the argument will get down to that eventually.

    Ahh well I suppose these lads have to pursue their agenda somewhere,and Boards.ie, AH, is a free conduit for this .

    probably will take the usual format.

    Poster A posts something ....

    Other posters react....

    cavalry led by the usuals appear over the hill

    accusation of trolling are bandied about

    Attempts will be made to drill down every word to it's very core.

    Endless to and fro in ever decreasing circles

    Mods get pissed off with yet another ME thread in AH and lock her up.



    Till the next one....................:D


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  • #7
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    dlofnep wrote: »
    The vast majority of the world agrees that 2 states should be created based on the 67 borders. The Israeli Government would prefer more land over peace - hence the ongoing settlements. They have bigger guns - and get to dictate the terms for the moment.

    It doesn't matter anyway, because the UN is going to recognise a Palestinian state in September based on the '67 borders.

    Yeah - those damn Israelis.:rolleyes: If you ever wanted to jump on a bandwagon knocking them's a good one to start on.


  • #8
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Yeah - those damn Israelis.:rolleyes: If you ever wanted to jump on a bandwagon knocking them's a good one to start on.

    Another powerful bit of insight there, addressing the issues.

    Do you support the settlements?


  • #9
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Yeah - those damn Israelis.:rolleyes: If you ever wanted to jump on a bandwagon knocking them's a good one to start on.

    Were you attempting to make a point?


  • #10
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    dlofnep wrote: »
    The vast majority of the world agrees that 2 states should be created based on the 67 borders. The Israeli Government would prefer more land over peace - hence the ongoing settlements. They have bigger guns - and get to dictate the terms for the moment.

    It doesn't matter anyway, because the UN is going to recognise a Palestinian state in September based on the '67 borders.

    But why should the UN view be held in such esteem either way.


  • #11
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    orourkeda wrote: »
    But why should the UN view be held in such esteem.

    It was the Israelis who went to the UN for state recognition, but now they object to the Palestinians doing the same. It's a nice handful of hypocrisy. But at a logical level - it will be recognition across the world at an official level as to what the borders of Palestine are.


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  • #12
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Polishing the head of (............)one....................:D

    You are correct. We will reform our ways.

    From now on, we will only start threads on approved topics and bowel movements, refuse to explain ourselves, state that all people involved in protests and organisations are unemployed and wasters, and try to make most of our posts derive from one of four pre-written templates.


  • #13
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    There's always going to be little hard men posting on internet message boards. Peace might break out and that's a reality everyone might have to deal with. Like it or not. Not taking sides so much here as calling on those interested in equality to read an article. The fact that Isrealis are the ones protesting this time must eat some people up. Sad world TBH.


  • #14
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    On vaguely the same theme as the OP
    The former head of Israel's spy service has launched an unprecedented attack on the country's current government, describing it as "irresponsible and reckless", and has praised Arab attempts to reach an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement.
    Meir Dagan stepped down as the head of Mossad six months ago but has gone on the offensive in a series of briefings with journalists and public appearances because he feels that Israel's security is being mismanaged by Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, and Ehud Barak, the defence minister.
    One newspaper quotes him as saying that he, as head of Mossad, Yuval Diskin, the head of Sin Bet – the internal security agency, and Gabi Ashkenazi, the head of the army, could prevent Netanyahu and Barak from making mistakes but all three have left their positions and have been replaced by men chosen by the current government.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/03/israel-government-reckless-mossad-chief


  • #15
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    If its in Israel's interest they will negotiate with Hamas,if not they won't.

    They won't do anything just because its the right thing to do.


  • #16
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,528 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    If the 1967(ish) borders came into being what would happen next?


  • #17
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    dsmythy wrote: »
    If the 1967(ish) borders came into being what would happen next?


    ....Palestinian state would have to organise itself. Israel would have to deal with the settlers.


  • #18
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    dsmythy wrote: »
    If the 1967(ish) borders came into being what would happen next?

    The Palestinians would have to ask Jordan to hand the West Bank over to them.

    Had Nassar not duped Hussein into attacking Israel, Jordan would never had lost the West Bank to Israel.


  • #19
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Giancarlo Billions Forest wrote: »
    The Palestinians would have to ask Jordan to hand the West Bank over to them.

    No they wouldn't.
    Giancarlo Billions Forest wrote: »
    Had Nassar not duped Hussein into attacking Israel, Jordan would never had lost the West Bank to Israel.

    Had Israel not ethnically cleansed the indigenous population, we wouldn't have any of these problems.


  • #20
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Giancarlo Billions Forest wrote: »
    The Palestinians would have to ask Jordan to hand the West Bank over to them..

    The Jordanians ceded all claims to the West Bank to the Palestinians in 1988.


  • #21
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Had Israel not ethnically cleansed the indigenous population, we wouldn't have any of these problems.

    Can you not stop posting hysterics for a moment, seriously its below you.

    In 1967 the West Bank was Jordanian.

    Jordan had not been part of the '67 (or six days war) war, and wanted no part of it.

    Nassar duped Hussein into believing that Eqyptian forces had a defeated IDF on the run, and its only then did Jordanian forces enter into the war.

    Given the history of ill treatment of Palestinians in Jordan its debatable whether they were better under the Jordians, or the Israeli's.

    But in all likelihood the Jordanians are happy enough to be rid of those Palestinians.


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  • #22
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Giancarlo Billions Forest wrote: »
    Can you not stop posting hysterics for a moment, seriously its below you.

    That is not hysterical. Israel ethnically cleansed the indigenous population and continues to do so. It is a documented fact.
    Giancarlo Billions Forest wrote: »
    In 1967 the West Bank was Jordanian.

    I'm well aware of the history of the area. You stated that Jordan would have to return the West Bank to the Palestinians. This is not the case - as their borders would be recognised internationally by the UN, of which would include the West Bank.


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