Why is the Forum

losthorizon

called the soccer forum? .
I mean I follow football Its the Football Association of Ireland. No one calls it soccer except yanks and RTE. I know some poster will point to the GAA but it is called the Gaeilge Athletic Association and their game is commonly called Gaeilge Foootball even by the GAA. No one says soccer.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

losthorizon wrote: »

No one calls it soccer except yanks and RTE.

Soccer AM and Gillette Soccer Saturday.
I call it football, but most people I know call it soccer.

the untitled user

Republic of Ireland

In Ireland, "football" can mean association football,[12] Gaelic football[13][14] or rugby union[15][16]
Any of these sports may be called football depending on the context; usage of the term football without context is generally avoided because of its ambiguity. Full names are used to overcome this ambiguity: instead of football, Gaelic football, rugby football or rugby union and association football or soccer are used. This is the approach taken by most of the Republic of Ireland media.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28word%29#Republic_of_Ireland

Also, from the same page:

The word "soccer" was in fact the most common way of referring to association football in the UK until around the 1970s, when it began to be perceived incorrectly as an Americanism.[33]

No idea if that's true mind...

kippy

losthorizon wrote: »

and their game is commonly called Gaeilge Foootball even by the GAA. No one says soccer.

Is it really??

amacachi

I've never heard someone called the GAA sport "Gaeilge" football. Gaelic football maybe.

BOHtox

Too soon op! too soon

It's only a word OP.

Don't get too hung up about it.

Yakult

Doesn't bother me and if it did, I would be worried.

pickarooney

More to the point, why is the soccer forum inside the soccer forum like some kind of matryoshka doll?

_blank_

pickarooney wrote: »

More to the point, why is the soccer forum inside the soccer forum like some kind of matryoshka doll?

It isn't.

Soccer is a Sub-Category of the Sports Category.

The Soccer Sub-Category contains a forum called Soccer.

flahavaj

Because one of our national sports uses the word football. Simples.

#15

losthorizon wrote: »

No one calls it soccer except yanks and RTE.

Eh what?

Most of the English-speaking world calls it soccer.

Coillte_Bhoy

Why does the national TV station have a 'soccer' corrspondent as does Newstalk, The Irish Times, Indo, Daily Star, Examiner etc Why is the flagship TV highlights programme for the domestic game called ' Monday Night SOCCER'? :rolleyes:

SharpshooterTom

Because we are trying to rid ourselves from British colonialisation. As long as GAA is the most popular sport we should be fine.

Zebra3

flahavaj wrote: »

Because one of our national sports uses the word football. Simples.

We don't have any national sport.

This is a myth promoted by the Gah brigade.

ArmaniJeanss

pickarooney wrote: »

More to the point, why is the soccer forum inside the soccer forum like some kind of matryoshka doll?

Des wrote: »

It isn't.

Soccer is a Sub-Category of the Sports Category.

The Soccer Sub-Category contains a forum called Soccer.

Its the inconsistentnesstisticy of it that causes the problem.

Like if you click into soc/politics and don't pick a sub-forum then you are put into the main politics forum with loads of interesting political threads.

But if you click into Sports/Soccer and don't pick a sub-forum then you find yourself stranded in a no-mans-land of nothingness.

eagle eye

Zebra3 wrote: »

We don't have any national sport.

This is a myth promoted by the Gah brigade.

When did things change? Gaelic games have been considered the national sport of Ireland since I can remember. It was in text books when I was in primary school. I don't think the GAA write our school text books.

Zebra3

eagle eye wrote: »

When did things change? Gaelic games have been considered the national sport of Ireland since I can remember. It was in text books when I was in primary school. I don't think the GAA write our school text books.

"Considered"?

By whom?

Bogball and all that rubbish are either our national sports or they're not.

And they are not.

They have no status as being our national sports.

It's just propaganda from the hiberno-facists.

eagle eye

Zebra3 wrote: »

"Considered"?

By whom?

Bogball and all that rubbish are either our national sports or they're not.

And they are not.

They have no status as being our national sports.

It's just propaganda from the hiberno-facists.

If you could read I said it was in text books when I went to school many years ago.
And over 50% of yearly sports attendances in this country is at Gaelic games. Its got the biggest tv ratings of any sport in this country also. And even folklore tells us of hurling in the tales of Cu Chulainn.

Its not my favourite sport by any means but it is the national sport.

Sadly I don't think you would believe it if you were informed by the President and the Taoiseach of the country. You seem to abhor GAA for some reason calling it bogball. Why call it that and not its real name which is Gaelic Football. I guess you have some issues.

LuckyLloyd

Zebra3 wrote: »

"Considered"?

By whom?

Bogball and all that rubbish are either our national sports or they're not.

And they are not.

They have no status as being our national sports.

It's just propaganda from the hiberno-facists.

wow

Pauleta

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Why does the national TV station have a 'soccer' corrspondent as does Newstalk, The Irish Times, Indo, Daily Star, Examiner etc Why is the flagship TV highlights programme for the domestic game called ' Monday Night SOCCER'? :rolleyes:

Because Monday Night Football was already trademarked by Sky and they have to bow down to the GAA Gestapo embedded at RTE.

losthorizon

eagle eye wrote: »

If you could read I said it was in text books when I went to school many years ago.
And over 50% of yearly sports attendances in this country is at Gaelic games. Its got the biggest tv ratings of any sport in this country also. And even folklore tells us of hurling in the tales of Cu Chulainn.

True, Very true but thats Hurling. Its only in the last 10-15 years that this americanisation of our sport has been imposed on us. So when you get the younger posters on here calling it soccer I actually believe them. Its been imposed on them like propaganda.

Coillte_Bhoy

Pauleta wrote: »

Because Monday Night Football was already trademarked by Sky and they have to bow down to the GAA Gestapo embedded at RTE.

Oh i see. I suppose the GAA are to blame for Soocer Saturday and Soccer AM on SKY as well:rolleyes:

Coillte_Bhoy

losthorizon wrote: »

True, Very true but thats Hurling. Its only in the last 10-15 years that this americanisation of our sport has been imposed on us. So when you get the younger posters on here calling it soccer I actually believe them. Its been imposed on them like propaganda.

so when i started follwoing football/soccer in the 70's it was known as soccer by everyone i knew. I really dont get why people get het up about this?

losthorizon

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

so when i started follwoing football/soccer in the 70's it was known as soccer by everyone i knew. I really dont get why people get het up about this?

Im from Cork and no-one calls football soccer. Despite RTEs best attempts.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

losthorizon wrote: »

Im from Cork

Ah now I get it.

Zebra3

eagle eye wrote: »

If you could read I said it was in text books when I went to school many years ago.
And over 50% of yearly sports attendances in this country is at Gaelic games. Its got the biggest tv ratings of any sport in this country also. And even folklore tells us of hurling in the tales of Cu Chulainn.

Its not my favourite sport by any means but it is the national sport.

And you make this claim with nothing to back it up. There is no national sport(s) in Ireland. As painful as that may be for some.

eagle eye wrote: »

Sadly I don't think you would believe it if you were informed by the President and the Taoiseach of the country. You seem to abhor GAA for some reason calling it bogball. Why call it that and not its real name which is Gaelic Football. I guess you have some issues.

I'll call it what I want. Some people call football "soccer" even though it's run in Ireland by the FAI and worldwide by FIFA. No mention of "soccer" in those acronyms.

I also love the ignorance of some rural media. Some local paper in Longford refer to their local LoI side as Longford Town FC soccer club.

WTF????!?!?

eagle eye

Zebra3 wrote: »

And you make this claim with nothing to back it up. There is no national sport(s) in Ireland. As painful as that may be for some.

Why do I need to back it up? You back your claim that its propaganda from the GAA with facts and then I'll have to go and find something to show you its the national sport.

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'll call it what I want. Some people call football "soccer" even though it's run in Ireland by the FAI and worldwide by FIFA. No mention of "soccer" in those acronyms.

I also love the ignorance of some rural media. Some local paper in Longford refer to their local LoI side as Longford Town FC soccer club.

WTF????!?!?

The word soccer is around since the 19th century. It was a member of the english FA who is accredited with devising the term to distinguish it from other forms of football. Thats before there was a FIFA or FAI.

I love the way you are so pernickety about socer/football but then you feel you have the right to call GAA bogbal.:rolleyes: But being from Cork I suppose you have the right to be different. Don't you guys call Cork the 'reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel' Capital of Ireland. So who am I do challene you eh?:pac:

S.M.B.

Erm, common sense?

flahavaj

Zebra3 wrote: »

"Considered"?

By whom?

Bogball and all that rubbish are either our national sports or they're not.

And they are not.

They have no status as being our national sports.

It's just propaganda from the hiberno-facists.

HATE HATE HATE.

Iang87

this dude needs a problem big time,

i call it soccer (had to put that in cos my post would be seen as off topic if i didnt)

nkay1985

Did anyone else think the title was the entire thing and that it was going to be some big philosophical question? "Why is the forum?"


If not, having it read it thus far, do you wish it had been? Because I do.

lordgoat

Good evening old chaps, i just caught the highlights of some association football on the television and i must say, by diddily it looks tremendous fun. In fact tomorrow i may give this association football and see for myself what all the fuss over association football is. I may even consider joining my local association football team...

NUTZZ

I call it football, it does annoy me slightly when people call it soccer but nothing to lose sleep over. As long as everyone agrees it's the beautiful game I'm happy

Fédération Internationale de Football Association - FIFA

#15

NUTZZ wrote: »

Fédération Internationale de Football Association - FIFA

:pac:

eagle eye

NUTZZ wrote: »

I call it football, it does annoy me slightly when people call it soccer but nothing to lose sleep over. As long as everyone agrees it's the beautiful game I'm happy

Fédération Internationale de Football Association - FIFA

Honestly I don't understand how the name soccer which is around longer than FIFA would annoy people. I mean the game started in teh UK and the use of the name soccer for Association football comes from there so whats the big deal?

NUTZZ

#15 wrote: »

:pac:

Fédération Internationale de Football Association - FIFA

:P

Iang87

does it really matter why its called soccer. Wanna have fun with names.

Why is it called american football when they so rarely use their feet?
Why isn't Gaelic football called Kicking and punching a ball around?
Why is it called baseball when the ball never runs the bases?
Why is it called cricket when there are no crickets involved?

Some people call it soccer for the same reason dogs lick their balls. Cos we can

killwill

Zebra3 wrote: »

"Considered"?

By whom?

Bogball and all that rubbish are either our national sports or they're not.

And they are not.

They have no status as being our national sports.
I
It's just propaganda from the hiberno-facists.

Just out of curiosity, can I ask what nationality you are?
Also have you an issue with the sports themselves or with th GAA?

Never mind, you are from "People's Republic".

OhNoYouDidn't

Zebra is right. In most countries the 'national game' is official, like the national animal or national bird or flower. This is legislated for and legally based.

In Ireland we don't have such legislation and have no 'national game'. The Gah have decided to usurp the title for themselves, but I have never fully had it explained to me whether its stickfighting or bogball that wins the title

Football is the most played and most watched on tv. We have as much right to the title as a game played by a tiny number of players like hurling or a game invented in the 1880's in a pub as in gaelic.

As an aside, it always amuses me how people get all hot and bothered when some Gah myths are punctured on here.

WesternZulu

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Zebra is right. In most countries the 'national game' is official, like the national animal or national bird or flower. This is legislated for and legally based.

In Ireland we don't have such legislation and have no 'national game'. The Gah have decided to usurp the title for themselves, but I have never fully had it explained to me whether its stickfighting or bogball that wins the title

Football is the most played and most watched on tv. We have as much right to the title as a game played by a tiny number of players like hurling or a game invented in the 1880's in a pub as in gaelic.

As an aside, it always amuses me how people get all hot and bothered when some Gah myths are punctured on here.

You blown me away with your argument with words like gah, bogball and stick fighting :rolleyes:

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Zebra is right. In most countries the 'national game' is official, like the national animal or national bird or flower. This is legislated for and legally based.

In Ireland we don't have such legislation and have no 'national game'. The Gah have decided to usurp the title for themselves, but I have never fully had it explained to me whether its stickfighting or bogball that wins the title

Football is the most played and most watched on tv. We have as much right to the title as a game played by a tiny number of players like hurling or a game invented in the 1880's in a pub as in gaelic.

As an aside, it always amuses me how people get all hot and bothered when some Gah myths are punctured on here.

But there is a recognition that countries can have a "de facto" National Sport. Considering the role Gaelic Games played in the foundation of our own Anzac Legend, it is fair to say that Gaelic Games (simpliciter) have always been our national sport. The sport itself does not have to be couched in legislation for it to be a national sport.

pickarooney

What is a national game anyway? In most cases it just seems to refer to the most popular port, whatever the origin but you'll find some sources cite e.g. capoeira rather than futebol as the national game of Brazil.

There is no word more fun to say than 'futebol' with a Carioca accent; I think we should all adopt it.

Zebra3

eagle eye wrote: »

But being from Cork I suppose you have the right to be different. Don't you guys call Cork the 'reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel' Capital of Ireland. So who am I do challene you eh?:pac:

I really don't know what to say to that.

I should actually report your post for personal abuse.....

Zebra3

Het-Field wrote: »

The sport itself does not have to be couched in legislation for it to be a national sport.

You're right.

Let's just leave it to a few nutters on the internet to decide. :rolleyes:

Het-Field

Zebra3 wrote: »

You're right.

Let's just leave it to a few nutters on the internet to decide. :rolleyes:

If fairness the internet has its fair share of nutters.

The concept of "National Sport" has been separated into two categories. First, there is the concept of National Sport in Law, and the second is National Sport in fact. Whether the GAA is the national sport may be up for debate, however the split nature of what constitutes a national sport is not.

Zebra3

Het-Field wrote: »

The concept of "National Sport" has been separated into two categories.

Really? By who? And when?

Het-Field wrote: »

First, there is the concept of National Sport in Law, and the second is National Sport in fact.

Never knew that. What's the difference between the two?

Het-Field wrote: »

Whether the GAA is the national sport may be up for debate,

It's not up for debate. ONYD has proven that.

Het-Field wrote: »

however the split nature of what constitutes a national sport is not.

Yep, we can agree on that as we have seen from above Ireland has no national sport.

OhNoYouDidn't

Het-Field wrote: »

But there is a recognition that countries can have a "de facto" National Sport. Considering the role Gaelic Games played in the foundation of our own Anzac Legend, it is fair to say that Gaelic Games (simpliciter) have always been our national sport. The sport itself does not have to be couched in legislation for it to be a national sport.

Always?

Rugby and football have been played in Ireland longer than Gaelic. Hurling had been dead for several hundreds of years till some Anglo's in TCD revived it. The Gah then later codified it.

Any of Ireland's major sports has a legitimate claim to the title. Football is the most played. Rugby is the sport we are most successful in. Gaelic is the most watched. Hurling is our only genuinely indiginious field game. I'm sure the horseracing set have a claim too. But only one sports association feels the incessant need to wrap the green flag round them. And thats the issue, which links back to the OP.

Football is the name of the sport we discuss on this thread, and has had use of that name longer than any Gah contrived varient

Het-Field

Zebra3 wrote: »

Really? By who? And when? .

The concept of a National Sport is elusive, but I have read it that there is two types of national sport i.e. the National Sport de jure, and the national sport de facto. Unfortunatly, the only place I can find adquate reference to the same is wikipedia, and this will be used as the platform on which you base your rebuttal.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Never knew that. What's the difference between the two? :.

De Jure = In Law. De Facto : In Fact.

Zebra3 wrote: »

It's not up for debate. ONYD has proven that.

It clearly is.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yep, we can agree on that as we have seen from above Ireland has no national sport.

It has no national sport in legislation. We can agree on that. However, it will have a de facto national sport. Considering the history involved, it is likely to be gaelic games.

OhNoYouDidn't

Het-Field wrote: »

The concept of a National Sport is elusive, but I have read it that there is two types of national sport i.e. the National Sport de jure, and the national sport de facto. Unfortunatly, the only place I can find adquate reference to the same is wikipedia, and this will be used as the platform on which you base your rebuttal.





De Jure = In Law. De Facto : In Fact.





It clearly is.





It has no national sport in legislation. We can agree on that. However, it will have a de facto national sport. Considering the history involved, it is likely to be gaelic games.

Yet again you are trying to obsufucate the issue to drown it.

There are 5 sports that are called Gaelic games. Now they are ALL national sports? Despite the fact that literally 10's of people play some of them?

We have NO NATIONAL SPORT, de facto or de jure.

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Always?

Rugby and football have been played in Ireland longer than Gaelic. Hurling had been dead for several hundreds of years till some Anglo's in TCD revived it. The Gah then later codified it.

Any of Ireland's major sports has a legitimate claim to the title. Football is the most played. Rugby is the sport we are most successful in. Gaelic is the most watched. Hurling is our only genuinely indiginious field game. I'm sure the horseracing set have a claim too. But only one sports association feels the incessant need to wrap the green flag round them. And thats the issue, which links back to the OP.

Football is the name of the sport we discuss on this thread, and has had use of that name longer than any Gah contrived varient

Gaelic Games have an intrinsic link to our National Legacy. The foundation of the organisation which controls the sport was Irish, took place in Ireland, and it was founded at a time when the nation was seeking to distinguish itself from our link to a foreign Nation. The GAA is part of our "National Myth" in a way that association football or the FAI is not.

Rugby Union, if the myth is true, was the product of a whim of an Anglican Englishman. In spite of our recent success in the sport, and the rapid growth in the Nation's interest in the sport, it is unlikely that it will ever be considered our national sport.