Honest and poor or dishonest and rich?

SparkyTech

Simple question. If you had a flipside bewtween the above two lifestyle choices, which would you pick and why? Is it better to live your life with enough to get you comfortably by by honest hard work and hard graft? Or would you fall trap to bribery, corruption and the femme fatale, stopping at nothing to achieve your sinister aims?:D

prinz

Honest and poor, because I have to live with myself.

Doyler92

No point in lying, so depending on the situation, dishonest and rich.

donalg1

Dishonest and rich, provided of course rich means super rich and poor means super poor as is so poor your homeless, then its easy the fear of being poor far outweighs the fear of not being liked due to my dishonesty

The King of Moo

Honest and poor for me, as long as I wasn't super-poor.
A lovely day like today makes money seem more trivial.

prinz

The ironic thing is when people choose dishonest and rich and then bitch about corrupt politicians, dodgy bankers and the likes...

spider guardian

Why does 'honest' and 'rich' have to be mutually exclusive?

I wouldn't want to be poor, and I wouldn't want to be dishonest, so I would go for 'comfortably honest' if that was at all an option.

recylingbin

Moderately rich but a complete bastard option please.

EverEvolving

Doyler92 wrote: »

No point in lying, so depending on the situation, dishonest and rich.

I see what you did there

I've tried the honest and poor route so would definitely be willing to give the other a go, greener grass and all that!

Redlion

Sometimes all you can say you have is your pride(part of being honest), and that cannot be bought. Honest and poor is the way to go.

cocoa

surely the people answering dishonest and rich haven't gotten a proper grip on the lifestyle yet...

professore

You can't honestly answer this question unless you've been poor. Poor as in not able to afford food. Since I've been in this position once, it has to be dishonest and rich for me.

Also, try asking the question with a table with a million euro on it belonging to the famous Bank Of Ireland senior bondholders who already have hundreds of millions each that if you can have no strings attached but of course they will lose it. What would you do?

HisGreatness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR51WgCzL1s

old hippy

Comfortably numb

liah

Honest and poor (and yes, I've been there, and still choose honest and poor.)

professore

spider guardian wrote: »

Why does 'honest' and 'rich' have to be mutually exclusive?

Aside from the possible exceptions of bestseller writers, Lotto winners, and a few people who inherited wealth, it is virtually impossible to be honest and rich.

professore

It also depends on whether you have children or not. If your children have to suffer and are condemned to not getting an equal shot at life because of your poverty, then it changes your view of things.

orourkeda

Honest and poor.

There's no enjoyment in being wealthy and having to look over your shoulder constantly.

professore

orourkeda wrote: »

Honest and poor.

There's no enjoyment in being wealthy and having to look over your shoulder constantly.

It's even worse if you're poor ....

professore

Another thought .... I wonder how many of the people saying Honest and Poor are still living with or being supported by their Mammy or family?

hardCopy

The King of Moo wrote: »

Honest and poor for me, as long as I wasn't super-poor.
A lovely day like today makes money seem more trivial.

Yeah, but if you were rich you could spend your weekends in the South of Spain.

professore

If the poll said "as you are now" or "dishonest and rich" I would vote "as you are now".

DoesNotCompute

Dishonest and rich - at least that way I might be able to pay my Mortgage, Home Insurance, USC, PAYE, PRSI, Income Levy, Pension Levy, Pension Related Deductions, Health Insurance, Water Charges, Property Tax, and all the other litany of taxes that keep getting foisted on me ):<

biko

Whatever is good enough for Bertie is good enough for me...

Snakeblood

SparkyTech wrote: »

Simple question. If you had a flipside bewtween the above two lifestyle choices, which would you pick and why? Is it better to live your life with enough to get you comfortably by by honest hard work and hard graft? Or would you fall trap to bribery, corruption and the femme fatale, stopping at nothing to achieve your sinister aims?:D

As long as I didn't have to actually poke out someone's eyeballs with my own hands (or if they gave me something to wipe my fingers on after), dishonest and rich.

Honest and poor, I have to admit. I'm sure it would be nice to say rich, and you'd make do with your conscience, but not for me.

sbsquarepants

Doyler92 wrote: »

No point in lying, so depending on the situation, dishonest and rich.

You're no good at this dishonesty thing, go to the back of the class:D

orourkeda wrote: »

Honest and poor.

There's no enjoyment in being wealthy and having to look over your shoulder constantly.

Dishonest doesn't mean having to look over your shoulder, do you think Seany Fitz is living in fear of reprisal, or Bertie or Biffo or any of the blatantly dishonest, self serving bástards that ruined our country?

Oh, dishonest and rich for me. Fúck it, my conscience is my bitch, not the other way round!

The King of Moo

hardCopy wrote: »

Yeah, but if you were rich you could spend your weekends in the South of Spain.

Ah, but then I wouldn't enjoy the sun, as it's too everyday a thing down there.
We need our 350 days of dark, wet, blustery misery in order to enjoy our sun here .

gonedrinking

Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

krudler

gonedrinking wrote: »

Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me".

but then the previously poor would now be rich and wouldnt get into heaven, so even jesus hated poor people

gonedrinking

krudler wrote: »

but then the previously poor would now be rich and wouldnt get into heaven, so even jesus hated poor people

the poor wouldn't be rich as there are too many of them and not enough of the rich listen to the word of God

Remmy

Dishonest and rich. meh dishonesty is subjective ..

gonedrinking

Remmy wrote: »

Dishonest and rich. meh dishonesty is subjective ..

you keep telling yourself that

prinz

professore wrote: »

Aside from the possible exceptions of bestseller writers, Lotto winners, and a few people who inherited wealth, it is virtually impossible to be honest and rich.

No, it isn't. You don't have to be dishonest to get yourself into a high paying job, or to set up a successful business... or any number of other ways.

professore wrote: »

Another thought .... I wonder how many of the people saying Honest and Poor are still living with or being supported by their Mammy or family?

Not me. I'm poor enough at the moment, it doesn't bother me. I could could rip off my employer, or go out tonight and stick up a petrol station with a screwdriver for some cash, but eh no, not for me.

Too many people coming at this from the extremes of obscene extravagant wealth and total poverty. Neither of which have to be the case.

PARKHEAD67

prinz wrote: »

Honest and poor, because I have to live with myself.

And eventually,God has to decide what to do with me. I know lots and lots of hellbound mothereffers;)

Earthhorse

The honest man is already rich.

markesmith

I chose dishonest and rich. Sums us up as a country. Well, sums me up anyways :rolleyes:

professore

prinz wrote: »

No, it isn't. You don't have to be dishonest to get yourself into a high paying job, or to set up a successful business... or any number of other ways.

Neither of those necessarily make you "rich". Job would have to pay 200K per annum at least and even then you're not rich really. By the way you think you can get a high paying job being honest? LOL. Ever heard of office politics?

Name me anyone who is self made who you see as honest. Someone who got to the top of their field in business and made millions doing it.

"Rich Dad Poor Dad" author Robert Kiyosaki that being rich is not just about owning 1 million dollars or a piece of real estate. It is more than just that, it is about cashflow. Incoming and outflowing of money. He defined being rich or wealth as the number of days which you can survive without working.

By this measure, the Celtic Tiger cubs were extremely poor. Ironically many of the unemployed are quite wealthy.

prinz wrote: »

Too many people coming at this from the extremes of obscene extravagant wealth and total poverty. Neither of which have to be the case.

Well you have to - otherwise you would have to say "working class and a little bit dishonest" etc etc. Have you never taken a pencil home from the office? That's dishonest.

PARKHEAD67

markesmith wrote: »

I chose dishonest and rich. Sums us up as a country. Well, sums me up anyways :rolleyes:

Your location is Eden but you aint goin there:P

prinz

professore wrote: »

Neither of those necessarily make you "rich". Job would have to pay 200K per annum at least and even then you're not rich really....

Now I see where the disconnect is...


Edit:
I wonder if you see the irony in thinking that people who would prefer to be poor and honest are still being supported by mammy and daddy and then going on to say that nobody earning less than €200,000 could even be considered rich... (because personally that would strike me as something someone who was extremely sheltered in life would come up with tbh), or maybe I'm just so poor that I couldn't even imagine earning anything approaching €200k per annum.

professore

professore wrote: »

Have you never taken a pencil home from the office? That's dishonest.

No
It's also not what OP was asking about, I would imagine

PARKHEAD67

SparkyTech wrote: »

Simple question. If you had a flipside bewtween the above two lifestyle choices, which would you pick and why? Is it better to live your life with enough to get you comfortably by by honest hard work and hard graft? Or would you fall trap to bribery, corruption and the femme fatale, stopping at nothing to achieve your sinister aims?:D

I wonder what response Bertie,Callaly and good old Lowry would have to this question. 3 good honest, hard working lads:mad:

GavRedKing

Money talks, so dishonest and rich everyday.

professore

prinz wrote: »

Now I see where the disconnect is...

Edit:
I wonder if you see the irony in thinking that people who would prefer to be poor and honest are still being supported by mammy and daddy and then going on to say that nobody earning less than €200,000 could even be considered rich... (because personally that would strike me as something someone who was extremely sheltered in life would come up with tbh), or maybe I'm just so poor that I couldn't even imagine earning anything approaching €200k per annum.

What salary would you need to have then to consider yourself rich?

Sheltered life? Nope. I had to pay for everything myself including my education - so I have a realistic idea of what it takes to be rich on your own. I was once at the point in England where I had to think long and hard before paying 50p for a second hand shirt.

No irony intended. I'm saying that I suspect the people who prefer to be poor and honest never had to make a living in the real world.

Financially rich to means to me at least having enough money to have a very comfortable lifestyle and never having to work again. Anything else and you are a middle class or working class drone. By my own definition or yours I'm nowhere near rich.

If you are healthy then that's the main thing in life TBH. The question was rich or poor - I understand that as filthy rich or dirt poor. I actually don't care about being rich - great if it happened but not prepared to do what it actually takes to get rich.

professore

Oops - just noticed the OP's first post - disregard everything I said. Poor all the way.

easychair

The OP's questions is silly, because those are not the only options available in reality. It's possible to be honest and rich, and dishonest and poor also. this is one of those silly questions which is pointless!

PARKHEAD67

easychair wrote: »

The OP's questions is silly, because those are not the only options available in reality. It's possible to be honest and rich, and dishonest and poor also. this is one of those silly questions which is pointless!

True

SparkyTech

easychair wrote: »

The OP's questions is silly, because those are not the only options available in reality. It's possible to be honest and rich, and dishonest and poor also. this is one of those silly questions which is pointless!

Its hypothetical mind...

Saila

after a quick look at the poll, you can see why Ireland is the way it is..

Eric Cartman

no real way of getting rich without being somewhat dishonest along the way, but in the end your still rich so it wins

Id rather have sleepless nights with 4 hookers on a yacht than sleep soundly in a 1 bed apartment

Liam Byrne

We've seen where the dishonest and rich have landed us.

So anyone who complains about them and yet wants to join them is a hypocrite.

Honest and poor for me - i.e. as I am