Why do so many young men in Ireland kill themselves?

blackberryguy

It is something I often wonder about.
Is is because of unemployment, sexuality, bullying, sexual abuse, break up of marriages etc.
It is something I often wonder about why would someone actually do it!
What are yere opinions on the subject.
I wanted to post this here to get a range of opinions of people!

Glico Man

A lot of young men or women either don't or won't talk to anyone if they're having problems. It's a very serious issue, and we've to keep publicising the fact that there are people to talk to. Suicide is a very taboo topic in Ireland, wrongly of course.

Saila

depression

mikom

blackberryguy wrote: »

Why dp so many young men in Ireland kill themselves?

I would too if I was being dp'ed.

Kadongy

aaronh007 wrote: »

A lot of young men or women either don't or won't talk to anyone if they're having problems. It's a very serious issue, and we've to keep publicising the fact that there are people to talk to. Suicide is a very taboo topic in Ireland, wrongly of course.

Does Ireland have a high suicide rate though, really?
It's something people generally think, but statistics dont seem to reflect that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_suicide_rate

I think the stoic element of our culture is what causes this perception: There are a lot of suicides which surprise and baffle here.

Senna

Of the few cases local to me, nearly all of them done it after breaking up with their girlfriend, or wife leaving them.

wild_cat

aaronh007 wrote: »

A lot of young men or women either don't or won't talk to anyone if they're having problems. It's a very serious issue, and we've to keep publicising the fact that there are people to talk to. Suicide is a very taboo topic in Ireland, wrongly of course.

You'd be very surprised at how bad some of the mental health facilities in Ireland are and even getting the right channel of help can be a very hard task.

grizzly

Be thankful we're not Lithuania – 3 times the rate in male suicides.

shannon_tek

Everything . stress . lack of sleep mental health all cause you to go into a state of mind where you are no longer in control. yes i wonder why people do it. were there to listen but no one is coming. ive been there and back . i fight it most days. Some ppl are weak against it. stress is my bigest weakness to it. one thing that goes wrong bam i hate the whole worl everyone can did i have nothing left to live for. its all gone gone. and so on thats the mental state talking . but ya need to fight it . ok yes its killing me but i will work around it. i can fight this son of a horse and win this battle. but that person never seems to get around. shame

SharpshooterTom

My uncle killed himself.

Thankfully I was too young to understand, he died back in 1991 (I was born in 1986) with a gunshot wound through the roof of his mouth. He was only 23. Destroyed my dads family for long periods. Till this day we still don't know why did it. There were no warning signs, no nothing.

Snowie

wow trying to pin the tail on this donley is so subjective to so many reasons... I really think that some young men arnt equiped with the mentle strength to deal with adult hood be asoical situations. A part of that never happened for them be it what ever the reasons.

So when bad things happen they, lock up don't know where or who the hell to talk to or even to much pride to admit they need an ear...

I don't know enough about Irish culture even tho I'm Irish I've been brought up bye dem pesky foreigners so my out look on things is slightly different.

But a mixture of to much pride/embarrassment to actually open there mouths share their problem. can be fatel who do they talk to... ?

They don't know there parents god no there friends ( ahh sure toughin up cheif its not that bad)

But I really think its down to Some one feeling so low and so at a loss and no hope any were for them to only see one way out.

There some powerful emotions even the best of us would have a tough time dealing with and to deal with those problems what ever they may be.

were only human we may think we're strong were not really and feeling that week can well be very demeaning, belittleing... Its hard sh1t to deal with man

Imagine your standing in the middle of a house and each wall and cealing is slowly and steadly falling in around you and on you theres no were to go.
At a guess that could be what its like...except for that pressing weight of a house isnt bricks and morter its emotions. For any one who falls into the suicide trap... that how it could feel...

NotExactly

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056241245

Son Of A Vidic

You ask an unanswerable question OP. As some have already pointed out, many suicides happen for reasons unknown. But I'd say a sense of hopelessness is a common denominator and there's a lot of that about at the moment.

guitarzero

I think the best we can do is only speculate as it seems the suicide victims rarely leave much of a reason, unless the note isnt spoken about.

From my own experience I could think of a few reasons. Inadequacy was a big problem. Not fitting in. Having no sense of value or sense of self among people. We all like to think we make a contribution that makes our life worth living. If this isnt met then we feel very alone and shut off.

We all have desires. If those desires dont get met it can turn inwards to pain. This is very hard to live with. If you have low self esteem then its near impossible to seek out what you desire and attain it.

You may feel ugly, sexually inferior, stupid, no character or personality.

Lonliness is a major problem that ppl eventually come around to. After years of trying to find someone/group you still cant seem to find it. Lonliness is a very dangerous thing.

Other things like losing a loved one.

I could go on and on. Its not a mystery when I find out that someone has killed themselves. Especially during the delicate years of adolescence. These are fragile years and peer pressure can feel so overwhelming to the point of obsession for some.

Parents, the very people who are there to guide us through the harshesed years dont often fullfil the needs and affection for the fella. They can be hard assed and the old "get on with" dismissive bullsh*t is still in full swing. The undermining of the soul and its torment has to be a huge aspect.

We have a militant education system which totally undermines the right of choice and freedom. You do what your told, when, how and you have to supress the pain of the lack of freedom. The routine of school, the class mates, teachers, pressure etc can all build up inside some people to the point where they simply cannot cope.

Also, Id say diet can play a big part. If bad food is screwing with the body then it equally screws with the brain.

At the very heart of it I believe that emotional pain doesnt get addressed. It can often be over looked and assumed its just normal cuz we have normalized it. Instead of hearing and dealing with peoples souls and hurt its often supressed or shuved aside. This pain builds up and integrates within the person and can become apart of them. Then it becomes what feels like a permanent, debilitating shadow. This shadow can grow and destroy the person.

willow tree

i went to a voluntary group who work with families affected by this, and those wiki stats are not accurate from what they said.. also its v hard to know what is as so many suicides are written down as something else on the death cert (unless its 100% it cant be written down as suicide even if its clear it was).. something interesting they said is that england had similarly high rates as us but they brought theirs down much lower by offerning free counselling to everyone.. i feel quite strongly that people are left to die from suicide/depression, they go to their dr for help and they are put on a waiting list to see a counsellor, its fairly shocking...very sad topic and i do think many are avoidable if we could normalise talking about this and make sure people get support they need.. most people do not want to die, they want the bad time they are going through to end:(

nicetalk

Gnobe wrote: »

My uncle killed himself.

Thankfully I was too young to understand, he died back in 1991 (I was born in 1986) with a gunshot wound through the roof of his mouth. He was only 23. Destroyed my dads family for long periods. Till this day we still don't know why did it. There were no warning signs, no nothing.

sounds a pity.