Couple of questions about Die Hard

take everything

Hi.
[may contain spoilers]
Just watched Die Hard again (great film) but i found myself wondering about Hans Gruber's plan.

His objective was to steal 640 million worth of bearer bonds and get out of there safely.
To do this he takes 30 Nakatomi employees hostages and keeps the cops/FBI busy for a couple of hours.
Fair enough.
What i don't really buy is his blowing up the building plan.

His stated motivation is "they won't come after us if they think we're dead and even if they do most of the evidence will be destroyed in the explosion".
Is this really tenable.

Wouldn't selling on/cashing in bearer bonds somehow be traceable later.
Why did he assume all evidence would be destroyed in an explosion.
Why would he assume they would assume he was dead.
(Assuming they survived the explosion), destroying the buildings wouldn't change the fact they were surrounded; what exactly was his escape plan.
I dunno it seemed a bit facile (like he knew something the authorities wouldn't in the event of an explosion and therefore would easily outwit them).

Sorry if these are stupid questions.
Humour me :pac:
Thanks.

Tallon

Films back then were for entertainment... And thats what they did

johnny_ultimate

I always thought the fact that he was German was motivation enough.

(with apologies to Germans)

Duggy747

Do not question Die Hard!

take everything

Tallon wrote: »

Films back then were for entertainment... And thats what they did

TBH i ask because Die Hard is usually lauded for a certain degree of realism/absence of plotholes. I just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something :pac:

johnny_ultimate

take everything wrote: »

TBH i ask because Die Hard is usually lauded for a certain degree of realism/absence of plotholes. I just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something :pac:

Wait wait wait. Realism? Die Hard?

Sure you weren't thinking of the Death of Mr. Lazerau?

take everything

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I always thought the fact that he was German was motivation enough.

(with apologies to Germans)

Apparently in the German version the villains are English.

take everything

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Wait wait wait. Realism? Die Hard?

Sure you weren't thinking of the Death of Mr. Lazerau?

No i mean in the action genre, they are well-regarded for this.

Mint Sauce

Its a shot em up, blow em up, leave your brain at home movie.

Quality.

cosmicfart

Point of fact, The Germans, never fully think things through! They should have used 'Die Hard' as some sort of scape coat! With all the feckin fire power they had at their disposal they should have easily murdered his ass and made him look like the Oklahoma bomber or something :pac: and then........'be sitting on zee beach earning 20%'

Johnnio13

This is an easy one!
All the bearer bonds were only written down on paper..there was no computers back then of course!!:D

Tipsy McSwagger

Blowing up the building would cause mass panic. There would be hundreds of emergency personnel at the scene. So all Hans has to do is set the explosion off from the ambulance he has in the underground parking lot and then drive away in the confusion shortly after.

SK1979

God I really fancy watching this again now. Does anyone know what the blu-ray transfer is like?

TommyTippee

do people still watch the likes of Die Hard?

truly awful films

there are so many better films to watch

DazMarz

TommyTippee wrote: »

do people still watch the likes of Die Hard?

truly awful films

there are so many better films to watch

BLASPHEMY!!! HERETIC!!!:mad:

RedXIV

SK1979 wrote: »

God I really fancy watching this again now. Does anyone know what the blu-ray transfer is like?

Its actually not bad. Now that may be the result of the sheer joy of the movie but there is a noticeable improvement

TommyTippee wrote: »

do people still watch the likes of Die Hard?

truly awful films

there are so many better films to watch

You're not a real man unless you watch Die Hard every Xmas!

DrumSteve

cosmicfart wrote: »

Point of fact, The Germans, never fully think things through! They should have used 'Die Hard' as some sort of scape coat! With all the feckin fire power they had at their disposal they should have easily murdered his ass and made him look like the Oklahoma bomber or something :pac: and then........'be sitting on zee beach earning 20%'

Typical germans with their Scape Coat. Wish I had one.

Funglegunk

"I was in highschool, dickhead!"

Mackman

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Blowing up the building would cause mass panic. There would be hundreds of emergency personnel at the scene. So all Hans has to do is set the explosion off from the ambulance he has in the underground parking lot and then drive away in the confusion shortly after.

Bingo, they blow up the top of the building with the hostages and transports/gunships on it, and "they'll spend months sifting through the rubble, by the time they figure out what went wrong, we'll be sitting on a beach, earning 20%".

How dare anyone question the iron claddness of this plan!! Only John McClane could throw a spanner big enough to upset this plan!

Tipsy McSwagger

TommyTippee wrote: »

do people still watch the likes of Die Hard?

truly awful films

there are so many better films to watch

You never miss an episode of Glee I bet.

baalthor

It's called a McGuffin (not to be confused with a McMuffin :-D )

Plazaman

Blowing up buildings, I understand but personally, I still don't understand the whole 3 litre/5 litre water container thingy they were meant to do in Die Hard 3.

Maths is hard.

Frank Black

Blow up Nakatomi Plaza - ? - Profit

Mackman

Plazaman wrote: »

Blowing up buildings, I understand but personally, I still don't understand the whole 3 litre/5 litre water container thingy they were meant to do in Die Hard 3.

Maths is hard.

That one took me ages to figure out. I finally did it though.

Fill the 5l
Fill the 3l with the water from the 5l
Leaves you 2l in the 5l jug
Empty the 3l
Pour the 2l from the 5l jug into the 3l
Leaves you 1l space left in the 3l jug.
Fill the 5l jug again
Fill the rest of the 3l jug from the 5l = 1l
Leavs you with 4l in the 5l jug


I ****ing love the Die Hard movies. Im gonna sit down and watch 1-3 this weekend now:cool:

Banjaxed82

"I will count to three...there will not be a four."

RedXIV

Mackman wrote: »

That one took me ages to figure out. I finally did it though.

Fill the 5l
Fill the 3l with the water from the 5l
Leaves you 2l in the 5l jug
Empty the 3l
Pour the 2l from the 5l jug into the 3l
Leaves you 1l space left in the 3l jug.
Fill the 5l jug again
Fill the rest of the 3l jug from the 5l = 1l
Leavs you with 4l in the 5l jug


I ****ing love the Die Hard movies. Im gonna sit down and watch 1-3 this weekend now:cool:

That came up in a professor layton DS game and all I could think about was stuff blowing up

That is Die Hard's legacy

mikhail

take everything wrote: »

Apparently in the German version the villains are English.

Sweet zombie Jesus, that's even more cliché.

Happyman42

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Blowing up the building would cause mass panic. There would be hundreds of emergency personnel at the scene. So all Hans has to do is set the explosion off from the ambulance he has in the underground parking lot and then drive away in the confusion shortly after.

I'm away over to the 9-11 conspiracy thread...I think I have it sussed!

LittleBook

RedXIV wrote: »

That came up in a professor layton DS game and all I could think about was stuff blowing up

Professor Layton: This puzzle can be solved in 8 moves, how many did it take you?
Littlebook: Er ... 173

grames_bond

SK1979 wrote: »

God I really fancy watching this again now. Does anyone know what the blu-ray transfer is like?

I thought it was brilliant - every now and again there would be a :eek: moment with the great quality! for such an old movie i was very very impressed!

RedXIV wrote: »

You're not a real man unless you watch Die Hard every Xmas!

Could not agree more!!

krudler

TommyTippee wrote: »

do people still watch the likes of Die Hard?

truly awful films

there are so many better films to watch

I could write a long reply on why you're wrong, but GTFO seems to sum it up so much easier.

krudler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyw6cq86kY

Possible the best subject matter for a song ever

Mr.Applepie

TommyTippee wrote: »

do people still watch the likes of Die Hard?

truly awful films

there are so many better films to watch

Burn him and send his ashes to Bruce Willis!

OniKen

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

You never miss an episode of Glee I bet.

Thats exactly what i thought haha

Boo Radley

I'm not sure why people are berated just for offering an alternative opinion. Must admit I find it unnecessary and a bit silly seeing the insults that have been brandished in this thread because a user doesn't like Die Hard.

I agree with previous posts about it being the perfect Christmas movie. I'm always ready to watch it again when the holidays come around. Great fun watching Willis at his best.

krudler

Boo Radley wrote: »

I'm not sure why people are berated just for offering an alternative opinion. Must admit I find it unnecessary and a bit silly seeing the insults that have been brandished in this thread because a user doesn't like Die Hard.

I agree with previous posts about it being the perfect Christmas movie. I'm always ready to watch it again when the holidays come around. Great fun watching Willis at his best.

Its all a bit tongue in cheek tbf, plus anyone who doesnt like Die Hard clearly has no soul, and possibly no reflection.

Boo Radley

krudler wrote: »

anyone who doesnt like Die Hard clearly has no soul, and possibly no reflection.

I hope that doesn't apply to the 4th in installment, I can't bring myself to like it.

Sad Professor

This reminds me, I haven't watched Die Hard in years. And I mean years. Like probably 10+ years ago when I was doing my Junior Cert. *hangs head in shame*

Based on screenshots, the Blu-ray looks pretty good. No DNR! But it's obviously limited by the source material. I don't have it on DVD, so I'll probably pick it up after reading some reviews.

Gilldog

You're not a real man unless you watch Die Hard every Xmas![/QUOTE]



Can I be a real woman who watches Die Hard every Xmas and has the box set??

Also, Die Hard 5 set to come out 2012...can't decide if Bruce Willis is too old to make it work.

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FBI guy: You listen to me, you little asshole.
McCLane: Asshole? I'm not the one who just got butt-****ed on national TV!!

senordingdong

Boo Radley wrote: »

I hope that doesn't apply to the 4th in installment, I can't bring myself to like it.

Get the directors cut, it's quite bearable.

zAbbo

take everything wrote: »

Wouldn't selling on/cashing in bearer bonds somehow be traceable later.

Johnnio13 wrote: »

This is an easy one!
All the bearer bonds were only written down on paper..there was no computers back then of course!!:D

Bearer Bonds, suitably named as whoever is in possession of them is the owner. No records are kept.

take everything

Boo Radley wrote: »

I hope that doesn't apply to the 4th in installment, I can't bring myself to like it.

Nothing beats the first.
Incidentally his relationship with his wife Holly is intriguing in its reality (they're divorced as of the last film IIRC), eschewing the typical Hollywood romantic arc.
Because clearly the affection between the two is central throughout the series. Wonder is there yet to be a happy ending there.
Also, it's not dissimilar to his own real-life relationship with Moore.

Skinfull

Boo Radley wrote: »

I hope that doesn't apply to the 4th in installment, I can't bring myself to like it.

He kills a helicopter with a car!! Whats not to like?
And the Truck V Fighter plane? Brilliant!

I love the series and watch it alot.

Mr Keek

RedXIV wrote: »

You're not a real man unless you watch Die Hard every Xmas!

FACT!

"Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the house, not a creature was stirring, except... the four assholes coming in the rear in standard two-by-two cover formation"

Duggy747

For those who haven't seen Die Hard in a while I highly recommend seeing it on Blu-Ray, looks utterly spectacular!

yammycat

take everything wrote: »

Wouldn't selling on/cashing in bearer bonds somehow be traceable later.

No, not traceable.

Why did he assume all evidence would be destroyed in an explosion.
Why would he assume they would assume he was dead.

big explosions destroy stuff, have you any idea how many bodies were never recovered after 9/11 ? try most.

(Assuming they survived the explosion), destroying the buildings wouldn't change the fact they were surrounded; what exactly was his escape plan.

Drive away, the building blew up, people don't stay cool when skyscrapers collapse, check 9/11 vids

I dunno it seemed a bit facile (like he knew something the authorities wouldn't in the event of an explosion and therefore would easily outwit them).

he knew they's xxxx their pants, it was a good plan