leinster academy

ormond lad

easyeas wrote: »

Leinster sub academy
Foster horan
Peter Reilly
Tadhg Beirne
Cathal Marsh
Jack Conan
Des Merrey
Barry Daly
Alan O Connor

That is it? Other players are in TIP 19s and 18s group but that isnt classed as sub academy

where dd you get that list from as there is lads on irish youths etc who have done some training with the academy that are not on that list so if they are training with the academy you would assume they are sub academy

easyeas

ormond lad wrote: »

easyeas wrote: »

Leinster sub academy
Foster horan
Peter Reilly
Tadhg Beirne
Cathal Marsh
Jack Conan
Des Merrey
Barry Daly
Alan O Connor

That is it? Other players are in TIP 19s and 18s group but that isnt classed as sub academy

where dd you get that list from as there is lads on irish youths etc who have done some training with the academy that are not on that list so if they are training with the academy you would assume they are sub academy

My best friends cousin is in the sub academy and thats what he told us. All sub academy are finished school as well he said

padser

easyeas wrote: »

My best friends cousin is in the sub academy and thats what he told us. All sub academy are finished school as well he said

My mates sisters bosses dog walker swears to me that's not true

profitius

bamboozle wrote: »

Murphy and Hudson would be ideal signings for Connacht if not for next season the season after. Hudson is class.

Both are good enough for Rabo. Hudson is more ready now but give Murphy 12-18 months to further bulk up and he'll be a serious prospect. With Conan, Gilsenan and Coughlan nipping at his heels in the academy next season he'll be under pressure.

Quint2010 wrote: »

It's great to see some talent coming thru from the schools in positions Leinster are lacking in-particularly front row and second row. They Byrne twins are some players-particularly Edward. Thornbury too at six foot six is an excellent agressive player and superb in the line out.

Are their any more backs coming through? Whats the difference between being in the academy and being on a development contract?

Murphy looks a decent player. I havn't seen much of him so I can't comment on his abilities but he is the same height as SOB.

Hudson looks a class player alright. Maybe pace might be his achillies heal but I'd like to see him get a run in the Leinster team to see what he can do. He is a good finisher.

Re the Leinster academy: Theres a bit of a bottle neck ahead for the new graduates. The Leinster squad has plenty of quality and more importantly its a youthful enough squad so in the coming seasons its going to be harder for the academy players to break into it. Thats good news for Connacht and Irish rugby in general because there'll be plenty of players willing to go West.

profitius

profitius wrote: »

Re the Leinster academy: Theres a bit of a bottle neck ahead for the new graduates. The Leinster squad has plenty of quality and more importantly its a youthful enough squad so in the coming seasons its going to be harder for the academy players to break into it. Thats good news for Connacht and Irish rugby in general because there'll be plenty of players willing to go West.

That's a good problem to have though. Means the academy is doing it's job.

The academy is designed to get players up to test level. If they can't find a spot for them in the Leinster squad (which there is no shame in!), then players will have to make their own decisions about where their future lies.

Morris to Leicester, Jones to Munster, M.Kearney, POD, Maguire to Connacht etc. These are all good moves for everyone. Nobody benefits by having these guys wasting time subbing for A teams, or worse still, in between A and full squads.

It's a brave step to make the disconnect, but if it works out for the individual player, then that's their fair dues.

errlloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

That's a good problem to have though. Means the academy is doing it's job.

The academy is designed to get players up to test level. If they can't find a spot for them in the Leinster squad (which there is no shame in!), then players will have to make their own decisions about where their future lies.

Morris to Leicester, Jones to Munster, M.Kearney, POD, Maguire to Connacht etc. These are all good moves for everyone. Nobody benefits by having these guys wasting time subbing for A teams, or worse still, in between A and full squads.

It's a brave step to make the disconnect, but if it works out for the individual player, then that's their fair dues.

You're right, but there is a lot of investment in those players, so I presume we'd be hoping they do a couple of seasons to get game time and come back when they're more competitive.

irishbucsfan

errlloyd wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

That's a good problem to have though. Means the academy is doing it's job.

The academy is designed to get players up to test level. If they can't find a spot for them in the Leinster squad (which there is no shame in!), then players will have to make their own decisions about where their future lies.

Morris to Leicester, Jones to Munster, M.Kearney, POD, Maguire to Connacht etc. These are all good moves for everyone. Nobody benefits by having these guys wasting time subbing for A teams, or worse still, in between A and full squads.

It's a brave step to make the disconnect, but if it works out for the individual player, then that's their fair dues.

You're right, but there is a lot of investment in those players, so I presume we'd be hoping they do a couple of seasons to get game time and come back when they're more competitive.

An investment underwritten by the IRFU though.

So long as we don't lose too many guys overseas I'm sure they're happy.

thebaz

leinster , and in fact Ireland, have such depth in the back row, it must be so difficult for a backrower to break through - although a real tearaway 7 , would be nice - the prop, Byrne's progress, will be interesting , given the shortage of Irish props and Cian Healys meteoric rise

profitius

thebaz wrote: »

leinster , and in fact Ireland, have such depth in the back row, it must be so difficult for a backrower to break through - although a real tearaway 7 , would be nice - the prop, Byrne's progress, will be interesting , given the shortage of Irish props and Cian Healys meteoric rise

Yup, although there is an abundance of young props on the fringes of all the squads now especially compared to a few years back. The work put into developing props looks to be paying off.

Quint2010

thebaz wrote: »

leinster , and in fact Ireland, have such depth in the back row, it must be so difficult for a backrower to break through - although a real tearaway 7 , would be nice - the prop, Byrne's progress, will be interesting , given the shortage of Irish props and Cian Healys meteoric rise

See Dan Leavy..

thebaz

Quint2010 wrote: »

See Dan Leavy..

i thought he was another 6 , but if he is an out and out 7 , thats great for leinster and Ireland

brookss95

thebaz wrote: »

i thought he was another 6 , but if he is an out and out 7 , thats great for leinster and Ireland

josh van der flier...

Quint2010

thebaz wrote: »

i thought he was another 6 , but if he is an out and out 7 , thats great for leinster and Ireland

Well I would be developing him more as a 7. He is fast, quick and an animal at the breakdown. But the same time he can carry ball too. I expect this guy to be Pro12-ing within the next two years.

Tox56

What is it with Ireland and inability to produce really good 7 prospects, even with all these younger players.

We have an abundance of 6 and a halves, but Wales had Williams, followed by Warburton, followed by Tipuric, soon to be followed by that young lad Dan Thomas from the U20s who looks really good too.

roycon

van der flier is an out and out 7 but just not that good. dan leavy looks to be the real deal alright. I think conor gilsenan has many of the attributes of a great 7 although hes been playing 6 for ireland u20s this season. maybe he could do with a bit more pace off the back of the scrum but he certainly gets around and tackles and rucks like a 7 as well as being a handy lineout operator as an added bonus

GerM

roycon wrote: »

van der flier is an out and out 7 but just not that good. dan leavy looks to be the real deal alright. I think conor gilsenan has many of the attributes of a great 7 although hes been playing 6 for ireland u20s this season. maybe he could do with a bit more pace off the back of the scrum but he certainly gets around and tackles and rucks like a 7 as well as being a handy lineout operator as an added bonus

Mostly a 6 this season but has played both at underage before and has only played 7 for Leinster A with the big boys I think so I reckon he's viewed as an openside. He's a solid bloke but not massive for a back row player so I'd like to see him stay there at senior level. The likes of Ferris, McLaughlin and even POM are significantly bigger than him in both height and weight. He'll probably put on another stone through conditioning in the next 2 years but I hope they don't try and bulk him up to the detriment of his strengths. Possesses the perfect skill set for a 7. Quick, very good hands for a forward, tenacious and seems to have a great understanding of where to be and popping up just where the ball winds up.

profitius

Tox56 wrote: »

What is it with Ireland and inability to produce really good 7 prospects, even with all these younger players.

We have an abundance of 6 and a halves, but Wales had Williams, followed by Warburton, followed by Tipuric, soon to be followed by that young lad Dan Thomas from the U20s who looks really good too.

Higher quality coaching. Good coaches can see the subtle skills players have. The skill of 7s is not appreciated in this country so the coaches pick bigger players to play 7. Until recently I didn't appreciate the impact of good 7s either.

Like the situation with the props, the lack of traditional 7s has been highlighted for a few years now and the provinces might be copping on a bit.

thebaz

roycon wrote: »

van der flier is an out and out 7 but just not that good. dan leavy looks to be the real deal alright. I think conor gilsenan has many of the attributes of a great 7 although hes been playing 6 for ireland u20s this season. maybe he could do with a bit more pace off the back of the scrum but he certainly gets around and tackles and rucks like a 7 as well as being a handy lineout operator as an added bonus

Dom Ryan hopefully gets a shot within the next year as an out and out 7 , again he started out as a 6, like the above , but looks like he could be in pole position now, personally I'd bring him to NZ

WeeBushy

Tox56 wrote: »

What is it with Ireland and inability to produce really good 7 prospects, even with all these younger players.

We have an abundance of 6 and a halves, but Wales had Williams, followed by Warburton, followed by Tipuric, soon to be followed by that young lad Dan Thomas from the U20s who looks really good too.

I think we are starting to produce them again. See Ryan against Ulster last week - a classic openside performance. Leavy coming through as well at Leinster. I don't know much about the Ulster, Munster and Connacht academies, so not sure what's coming through there. I think its just a case of swings and roundabouts. Just so happens that none have come through for a while now. Kind of similar to props where for years we were producing nowt, and that's slowly starting to change.

Ireland's style of play over the last 10 years or so where we've never relied on a out and out 7 may have something to do with it as well. Les emphasis on their development and when youngsters try and emulate their favourite players there has been no 7 role model.

Quint2010

Jack O'Neill from Castleknock and Paddy Thornton from Terenure are two more out and out 7's. Both have another year left in school. O'Neill in particular looks look a very good player

amtw

The list for the 2012/13 Leinster Academy was announced today.


http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/newsroom/10073.php

Leinster Academy List 2012/13:

Edward Byrne (Loosehead Prop) 1
Brian Byrne (Hooker) 1
Gavin Thornbury (2nd Row) 1
Tadgh Beirne (2nd Row) 1
Dan Leavy (Flanker) 1
Josh Van Der Flier (Openside Flanker) 1
Jack Conan (Number Eight) 1
Cathal Marsh (Out-half) 1
James Tracey (Loosehead Prop) 2
Tadhg Furlong (Tighthead Prop) 2
Martin Moore (Tighthead Prop) 2
David Doyle (Hooker) 2
Conor Gilsenan (Openside) 2
Jordan Coughlan (Back-row) 2
Luke McGrath (Scrum-half) 2
Collie O'Shea (Centre) 2
Michael Sherlock (Full-back) 2
Andrew Boyle (Wing) 2
Jack O'Connell (Loosehead Prop) 3
Jordi Murphy (Back-row) 3
Ben Marshall (2nd Row) 3
Noel Reid (Out-half/Centre) 3
Darren Hudson (Wing) 3
Sam Coghlan Murray (Wing) 3

mikedragon32

16 forwards, 7 backs. It seems a little front-heavy or is selection for academy based on need further up the chain?

guapos

No Des Merrey, seems a bit strange that the Irish U 20 first choice loose head is being let go. I'm sure he'll get picked up by another province.

irishbucsfan

guapos wrote: »

No Des Merrey, seems a bit strange that the Irish U 20 first choice loose head is being let go. I'm sure he'll get picked up by another province.

Tracy, Byrne and O'Connell in the academy with Healy and Jack McGrath in the senior squad and Michael Bent joining. That's 6 Irish looseheads!

I'm sure Merrey will pop up somewhere else.

profitius

guapos wrote: »

No Des Merrey, seems a bit strange that the Irish U 20 first choice loose head is being let go. I'm sure he'll get picked up by another province.

Kyle McCall was the first choice loosehead. He was injured for the JWC.

Taco Corp

What's the significance of the numbers 1,2 or 3 beside each name?

irishbucsfan

Surley wrote: »

What's the significance of the numbers 1,2 or 3 beside each name?

That's their year in the academy

ormond lad

Surley wrote: »

What's the significance of the numbers 1,2 or 3 beside each name?

The academy is a 3 year programme. number states to the year each player will be in next season

bamboozle

guapos wrote: »

No Des Merrey, seems a bit strange that the Irish U 20 first choice loose head is being let go. I'm sure he'll get picked up by another province.

there just seems to be a bottle neck of props at leinster, as a biased clontarf member i watched Des Merry hold his own earlier this season for clontarf against Cork Con, propping against Stephen Archer and John Ryan.

guapos

I didnt realise Bent could play both sides also I thought Merrey was in the academy not the sub academy. I'll need to do a bit of research next time :-)