would've vs "would of"

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 7:23pm #1

The latter isn't a phrase, and doesn't make sense. I have no idea where it originated, but it's becoming more common and it's really, really irritating!

Please stop.

That is all.

kippy · 23-05-2011 7:24pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The latter isn't a phrase, and doesn't make sense. I have no idea where it originated, but it's becoming more common and it's really, really irritating!

Please stop.

That is all.

It has come from the use of "of" instead of "have".
Very very very common on these boards to be honest and one of the most common crimes against the English language.
I brought this very topic to feedback a few years ago, and got hammered for it, am not a grammar nazi either.

FlutterinBantam · 23-05-2011 7:25pm

Neither is.

Would have.... there's the one.

Biggins · 23-05-2011 7:26pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The latter isn't a phrase, and doesn't make sense. I have no idea where it originated, but it's becoming more common and it's really, really irritating!

Please stop.

That is all.

Did you not get the latest edition of the Big Brothers English Dictionary Edition For Proles?

CitizenKeane · 23-05-2011 7:27pm

Drives me mad.
Went on a crusade trying to correct friends who were typing "would of", in the hope that they would learn.
They didn't, so I gave up

craggles · 23-05-2011 7:27pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Neither is.

Would have.... there's the one.

Nothing wrong with would've. Get your sh*t together!

Biggins · 23-05-2011 7:28pm

CitizenKeane wrote: »

Drives me mad.
Went on a crusade trying to correct friends who were typing "would of", in the hope that they would learn.
They didn't, so I gave up

Well you would of course!

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 7:28pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Neither is.

Would have.... there's the one.

Well the apostrophe implies the contraction, so it's valid. The other is just wrong.

amdublin · 23-05-2011 7:28pm

Yeah I hate it.

I also hate people saying here here instead of hear hear.

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 7:29pm

Biggins wrote: »

Did you not get the latest edition of the Big Brothers English Dictionary Edition For Proles?

Brother's or Brothers' ?

Surprised at ya, Biggins!

23-05-2011 7:29pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 7:30pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Neither is.

Would have.... there's the one.

'Would've' is a contraction of 'would have'.

amdublin wrote: »

I also hate people saying here here instead of hear hear.

I thought it was 'here here' most of my life. A more genuine mistake, I think.

Biggins · 23-05-2011 7:32pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Brother's or Brothers' ?
Surprised at ya, Biggins!

I'm not myself tonight, I'm too busy ducking flying frying pans.

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 7:33pm

kippy wrote: »

It has come from the use of "of" instead of "have".

That's a purely aural lazy "mistake" based on the "ve" sounding vaguely like "of".

But those words have absolutely no common link. In fact, they're almost complete opposites, with one possibly implying ownership and the other implying "part of" or "from".

e.g. "O'Gara of Munster" vs "Munster has O'Gara"

stovelid · 23-05-2011 7:33pm

I guess I also notice things like that, but I usually put it down to colloquial sloppiness, a genuine mistake or poor writing skills: all of which might not be entirely their fault. Unless they ask for it in some other way, unsolicited comments about it seem rude and pedantic, to be honest.

Being able to grasp what people are saying on a forum is more important than writing skills unless it's a blatant abuse of manners like text-speak.

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 7:36pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

Grammar is one thing (although the rising "I seen" is damn irritating alright)

Using combinations of words that make absolutely no sense has nothing to do with grammar, though.

Latchy · 23-05-2011 7:37pm

And please stop pronouncing it as ' Wooden Eye '' . It's '' Wouldn't I ''

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 7:38pm

stovelid wrote: »

Being able to grasp what people are saying on a forum is more important than writing skills unless it's a blatant abuse of manners like text-speak.

I take your point on some of that, but since when is being damn lazy when talking to others not rude and "a blatant abuse of manners" ?

OutlawPete · 23-05-2011 7:39pm

I would've given a shit about such things if I hadn't better things to be doing, but I do .. so I don't.

Five grammatical errors there for all the grammar nazis, knock yourselves out.

aidan24326 · 23-05-2011 7:40pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The latter isn't a phrase, and doesn't make sense. I have no idea where it originated, but it's becoming more common and it's really, really irritating!

Please stop.

That is all.

Here here. <ahem>

Biggins wrote: »

I'm not myself tonight, I'm too busy ducking flying frying pans.

What did you do? (or not do) Confess to the populace of boards!

tmcw · 23-05-2011 7:40pm

amdublin wrote: »

Yeah I hate it.

I also hate people saying here here instead of hear hear.

"I seen" instead of "I saw"

"their" or "there" instead of "they're" or "they are"

You'd think with the Queen over last week, that peeps would make more of an effort.

Biggins · 23-05-2011 7:41pm

Latchy wrote: »

And please stop pronouncing it as ' Wooden Eye '' . It's '' Wouldn't I ''

What about those that start off their sentences with "and" or "but" or "because" etc...

I was taught at school to start a sentence correctly, not as if it sounds if one has jumped into one half way! :pac:

stoneill · 23-05-2011 7:42pm

aidan24326 wrote: »

Here here. <ahem>

hear hear.

stovelid · 23-05-2011 7:43pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I take your point on some of that, but since when is being damn lazy when talking to others not rude and "a blatant abuse of manners" ?

Because not everybody has the requisite skills of expression that some of us take for granted- for whatever reason.

Text-speak is rude because a large number of people have to actually decipher what is being said - an entirely different situation to grammatical lapses that only cause annoyance rather than render a post unreadable.

Biggins · 23-05-2011 7:44pm

aidan24326 wrote: »

What did you do? (or not do) Confess to the populace of boards!

I do not know!
I guess I will just say "sorry" and hope for the best, she thinks I know what I did wrong ...or didn't do ...or did do!

I'm up schite creek tonight! :pac:

kippy · 23-05-2011 7:45pm

stovelid wrote: »

Because not everybody has the requisite skills of expression that some of us take for granted- for whatever reason.

Text-speak is rude because a large number of people have to actually decipher what is being said - an entirely different situation to grammatical lapses that only cause annoyance rather than render a post unreadable.

Fair point - but I don't think there's any harm highlighting the issue........

orourkeda · 23-05-2011 7:45pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Grammar is one thing (although the rising "I seen" is damn irritating alright)

Using combinations of words that make absolutely no sense has nothing to do with grammar, though.

Grammar consists of a description of all the elements in a language; syntax focuses on the relationships between words that determine their order in sentences. Grammar is the entire study and syntax is one part only.

parker kent · 23-05-2011 7:47pm

Saying "would of" would be a capital offence in any dictatorship of mine.

Iron Hide · 23-05-2011 7:51pm

must have, should have, could have, would have. "of" does not belong anywhere near these words.

wonderfulname · 23-05-2011 7:54pm

Latchy wrote: »

And please stop pronouncing it as ' Wooden Eye '' . It's '' Wouldn't I ''

I can't help it, its my accent! :mad:

Latchy · 23-05-2011 7:59pm

Biggins wrote: »

What about those that start off their sentences with "and" or "but" or "because" etc...

I was taught at school to start a sentence correctly, not as if it sounds if one has jumped into one half way! :pac:

Well so was I but the use of beginning a paragraph with 'And 'and 'But' has crept in more and more and you could accuse a lot of people eveywere of above .

Some well known authors throughout history are famous for their incorrect spelling and grammer as much as for their subject matter ( another article I read a while ago ) and unless you want to Invstigate yourself , you'll have to take my word on it .

Giselle · 23-05-2011 8:00pm

amdublin wrote: »

Yeah I hate it.

I also hate people saying here here instead of hear hear.

Another annoying one is 'Yay or Nay' instead of 'Yea or Nay'. I've seen that one a few times hereabouts.

Biggins · 23-05-2011 8:02pm

Latchy wrote: »

Well so was I but the use of beginning a paragraph with 'And 'and 'But' has crept in more and more, and you could accuse a lot of people everywhere of above.

Some well known authors throughout history are famous for their incorrect spelling and grammar as much as for their subject matter (another article I read a while ago) and unless you want to investigate yourself, you'll have to take my word on it .

True - but I was also taught two wrongs don't make a right.

(O' and I corrected your spelling and punctuation)

:pac:

Latchy · 23-05-2011 8:05pm

wonderfulname wrote: »

I can't help it, its my accent! :mad:

And don't you ever loose it :pac:

Dudess · 23-05-2011 8:06pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I take your point on some of that, but since when is being damn lazy when talking to others not rude and "a blatant abuse of manners" ?

Might not be laziness at all though - some people don't have a strong grasp of grammar/punctuation. I do - but I have an absolutely woeful sense of direction.

It's not a character flaw - it's just something that some people aren't good at, for which they no doubt make up by being excellent at something else.

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 8:08pm

Dudess wrote: »

It's not a character flaw - it's just something that some people aren't good at, for which they no doubt make up by being excellent at something else.

Fair point, e.g. autism & maths

However my issue is that it's becoming more and more prevalent and that leads me to believe that it's simply based on people being lazy, and then others seeing it and picking it up without double-checking that it's correct.

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 8:09pm

This thread is fast becoming tedious.

23-05-2011 8:11pm

I would like to add that tyres do not have "thread"...

Latchy · 23-05-2011 8:15pm

Biggins wrote: »

True - but I was also taught two wrongs don't make a right.

(O' and I corrected your spelling and punctuation) :pac:

You should really concentrate and learn to correct your own ****

:pac:

aidan24326 · 23-05-2011 8:16pm

Biggins wrote: »

I do not know!
I guess I will just say "sorry" and hope for the best, she thinks I know what I did wrong ...or didn't do ...or did do!

I'm up schite creek tonight! :pac:

Rover will have company in bed tonight so

Chuck Stone · 23-05-2011 8:16pm

I have one thing to say to grammer Nazis..

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 8:17pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I have one thing to say to grammer Nazis..

Ahem! Spelling ones OK ?

Biggins · 23-05-2011 8:18pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I have one thing to say to grammer Nazis..

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg

Grammar!

...Do you also have to be so graphic?

OutlawPete · 23-05-2011 8:18pm

amdublin wrote: »

Yeah I hate it.

I also hate people saying here here instead of hear hear.

Here hare here.

polyfusion · 23-05-2011 8:19pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I would like to add that tyres do not have "thread"...

Technically, older car tyres had a cotton thread in them. I believe some bicycle tyres still use cotton, so some tyres do have "thread" in them.

dlofnep · 23-05-2011 8:20pm

I never understood grammar nazis. Language is a medium of communication - So long as you understand what they say, why give a ****?

B_Fanatic · 23-05-2011 8:20pm

God damn, this video makes me feel bad. I am quite the grammar nazi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY

23-05-2011 8:21pm

polyfusion wrote: »

Technically, older car tyres had a cotton thread in them. I believe some bicycle tyres still use cotton, so some tyres do have "thread" in them.

Biggins · 23-05-2011 8:21pm

dlofnep wrote: »

I never understood grammar nazis. Language is a medium of communication - So long as you understand what they say, why give a ****?

Why? Because apparently mods don't like text speech on the forum!

Biggins read the rules, he did!

PrincessLola · 23-05-2011 8:22pm

OP, you are my hero! Seriously!

Maybe its because I have to write alot of essays in my course (that get penalised for bad grammar) but I can't stand when someone says 'should of'. Similarly, I hate when Americans say 'could care less' instead of 'couldn't care less' aaarrghhhh!:mad:

23-05-2011 8:23pm

PrincessLola wrote: »

OP, you are my hero! Seriously!

Maybe its because I have to write alot of essays in my course (that get penalised for bad grammar) but I can't stand when someone says 'should of'. Similarly, I hate when Americans say 'could care less' instead of 'couldn't care less' aaarrghhhh!:mad:

I hate the use of "alot"

:o

would've vs "would of"

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