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What the **** are The Flaming Lips playing at?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    And tell us stories about this Bowie lad we've been hearing so much about now and then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭rcaz


    180 gram virgin vinyl reissues are not bull**** at all actually, granted the sound quality mightn't be improved at all but the thicker and heavier a record is cut (180 grams being the heaviest) the deeper the grooves the cutting head in the pressing plant can make, allowing a louder signal to be transmitted. The use of (much more expensive) "virgin vinyl" rather than a blend of previously reused vinyl pellets avoids the presence of impurities in the cake which then gets pressed down into a record.

    Admittedly that's of absolutely ZERO use to a flaming lips fan who is playing their ridiculously overpriced represses on a home stereo system rather than a full Funktion 1 or Void Acoustics rig at a well equipped club or a small festival tent, and most rock albums over the years have been pressed with three or four tracks per side on wafer thin vinyl anyway, but to say it's "audiophile nonsense" isn't quite true (certainly not given the absolute twaddle circulated by the audiophile community - never trust a bald man in his 40's who spends more on his speakers than he spends on his tunes).


    Rarely pop into this forum, lots of belly laughs watching (presumably) aging rock fans grow dissatisfied with songs about drugs and pussy... Easy Listening / Jazz forum is over that way folks.......

    They would be able to cut deeper grooves in the vinyl, but they don't, regardless of the mass of the vinyl it get cuts by the same lathes with the same depth.

    Interesting about the 'virgin vinyl' think, I'd heard the phrase before but didn't have it explained. I wonder what kind of difference that makes...

    Well, everyone's aging, aren't they? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,373 ✭✭✭Executive Steve


    El Pr0n wrote: »
    They would be able to cut deeper grooves in the vinyl, but they don't, regardless of the mass of the vinyl it get cuts by the same lathes with the same depth.

    Interesting about the 'virgin vinyl' think, I'd heard the phrase before but didn't have it explained. I wonder what kind of difference that makes...


    I suppose they wouldn't really bother cutting THAT deeply on rock or metal releases (where they're cutting three or four tracks per side of vinyl and haven't the space to cut any deeper, and where the dominant frequencies wouldn't neccesarily overlap - mastering houses that master vinyl for indie bands would stick to teh conservative end of the RIAA equalisation guidelines... The likes of Valve, Transition, Dubplates & Mastering will - especially on a one off acetate cut - be focusing on volume and bass and not worrying if it sounds crap on a home system because they're cutting it for playing on big sound systems) but on the records I would buy there is a definite perceptible loudness increase on the thicker plates (cut with one track per side).


    Virgin vinyl would essentially just reduce impurities and eradicate the little airbubbles that cause needle skippage and sound artifacts - it's a bloody nightmare when you've spent a tenner on a tune and it's rendered unplayable because of a pop-lock or a bit crackle in the breakdown or whatever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭rcaz


    I suppose they wouldn't really bother cutting THAT deeply on rock or metal releases (where they're cutting three or four tracks per side of vinyl and haven't the space to cut any deeper, and where the dominant frequencies wouldn't neccesarily overlap - mastering houses that master vinyl for indie bands would stick to teh conservative end of the RIAA equalisation guidelines... The likes of Valve, Transition, Dubplates & Mastering will - especially on a one off acetate cut - be focusing on volume and bass and not worrying if it sounds crap on a home system because they're cutting it for playing on big sound systems) but on the records I would buy there is a definite perceptible loudness increase on the thicker plates (cut with one track per side).

    That's interesting. I've never heard of any of that stuff before, feel like bit of a tit now. Guess I shouldn't take on a professional DJ in a record conversation without knowing he's a professional DJ first... :o

    So is that stuff produced for a 2.1 system instead of plain stereo?


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