The question of parents with young children in public

later12

Can I just say from the outset that I do not subscribe to the belief that children are better seen and not heard, and that I have no problem, distress, irritation or otherwise with those who bear children, nor with children themselves.

However.

What I really find irritating are parents who choose to bring their children to places which may be inappropriate for small children, and where adults are trying to engage in an adult environment.

I was at an exhibition in the Irish Museum of Modern Art recently, when I counted three prams, and two of them with crying children, and one of them with a particularly distressed child who cries went completely ignored as the father stared curiously into the unibrow of a Frida Kahlo portrait.

Other gallery users were clearly irritated, but the babys parent seemed similarly disinterested, and he carried on from room to room, occasionally cooing at the crying baby. Cooing. Why would you take your babies to see Frida Kahlo, and coo at it like you were in your own home?

I have had similar experiences in other public places, most irritatingly in restaurants, coffee houses, bars, and once, irony of ironies, at a Quaker funeral. (Why do parents insist on taking their young children to church or worship?)

Now obviously there are perfectly understandable situations whereby the parent must bring the children with them to an event or an occasion, usually of the last-minute-couldnt-manage-a-babysitter variety. No problem. And obviously when children get to a certain, more coherent age, this sort of socialisation is important. But parents ought to realise that taking their young children certain places can be discomforting to other people who are there to engage in an adult pursuit, or may themselves be there to get away from their kids for a couple of hours.

I understand that there are many difficulties in raising young children, and any reasonable individual respects this. But it isnt everybody else' s responsibility to defer to parenthood and to accomodate your childrens' inappropriate behaviour, especially in adult environments.

kfallon

Oh look at Lord Arty Farty the snob :pac:

Kanoe

I don't know, what would you suggest?
also, I'm not sure what kind of answers you're looking for in Ah other than blasting them with piss.

Chuck Stone

Ah leave the children alone fgs - they're only babies.

WindSock

Can't even go to the pub to excape the cretins. And don't get me started on hangover breakfast fry establishments.

later12

zxy wrote: »

I don't know, what would you suggest?

I don't know... common sense, decency!

When I was a kid, going to an adult environment was considered a treat and we were warned in advance that any inappropriate behaviour would be punished. My parents didn't take me out for dinner with their friends or to exhibitions. Then again I do appreciate that parents are less inclined to leave their kids alone anymore, and there may be financial pressures on paying babysitters, but this is reality, that's parenthood, it wasn't advertised as easy.

FoxT

When my children were small, I didn't give two hoots if they annoyed others or not, their mother's priority and mine was to ensure that they were comfortable, and not put in situations where they were likely to feel bored, neglected, or upset.

I have never been to IMMA , and I have never heard of Frida Kahlo. In fact, I don't know if Frida Kahlo is a boy, or a girl. Perhaps, as philistines, we have denied our children exposure to some critical elements of the cultural zeitgeist? Who knows. I am sure that if we have got it wrong, they will punish us for years to come.

-FoxT

irjudge

later10 wrote: »

I understand that there are many difficulties in raising young children

Do you though, Do you really?

Kanoe

later10 wrote: »

I don't know... common sense, decency!

When I was a kid, going to an adult environment was considered a treat and we were warned in advance that any inappropriate behaviour would be punished. My parents didn't take me out for dinner with their friends or to exhibitions. Then again I do appreciate that parents are less inclined to leave their kids alone anymore, and there may be financial pressures on paying babysitters, but this is reality, that's parenthood, it wasn't advertised as easy.

Hearing screaming babies can be upsetting and I know I wouldn't have stayed if I were in that situation but unless management or staff intervene I can't see what else can be done

later12

FoxT wrote: »

When my children were small, I didn't give two hoots if they annoyed others or not

You sound like a fantastic parent, but that attitude could be perceived as extraordinarily rude as well.

I have never been to IMMA , and I have never heard of Frida Kahlo. In fact, I don't know if Frida Kahlo is a boy, or a girl.

You wouldnt necessarily be any the wiser after her portraits!

Nevertheless, what gallery it was, or what was happening is irrelevant, Im just illustrating that it was an adult environment typically afforded similar respect to, say, a library.

Rachiee

I absolutely adore children but it is precisely that reason why I agree with the op, it is unfair to bring children places where they cannot be stimulated the only reason parents do it is pure selfishness, they want to do such and such and cant get a baby sitter so they just do it anyway, either that or pure ignorance as to what activities are beneficial for children.. parenting unfortunately does not come with a manual.

Although I would think that parenting is extremely demanding and so can understand why people make selfish decisions sometimes

mal1

FoxT wrote: »

When my children were small, I didn't give two hoots if they annoyed others or not, their mother's priority and mine was to ensure that they were comfortable, and not put in situations where they were likely to feel bored, neglected, or upset.

Sounds like you were just ensuring your own comfort by making sure your kids were never bored, neglected or upset.

later12

irjudge wrote: »

Do you though, Do you really?

I think so. But I'm not a parent, I appreciate I might feel differently if I were a parent.

But I'm speaking from a childless adult's perspective, and I think that such views deserve to be taken into account by parents if we are to take their challenges into account as well.

The King of Moo

FoxT wrote: »

When my children were small, I didn't give two hoots if they annoyed others or not, their mother's priority and mine was to ensure that they were comfortable, and not put in situations where they were likely to feel bored, neglected, or upset.

I have never been to IMMA , and I have never heard of Frida Kahlo. In fact, I don't know if Frida Kahlo is a boy, or a girl. Perhaps, as philistines, we have denied our children exposure to some critical elements of the cultural zeitgeist? Who knows. I am sure that if we have got it wrong, they will punish us for years to come.

-FoxT

I've a suspicion this may be sarcastic, but if not..

If you didn't care about your kids annoying other people, then I assume you also don't care about getting annoyed by others' kids, no matter how bratty?

CK2010

later10 wrote: »

I think so. But I'm not a parent, I appreciate I might feel differently if I were a parent.

But I'm speaking from a childless adult's perspective, and I think that such views deserve to be taken into account by parents if we are to take their challenges into account as well.

Im a parent and I agree completely with your OP. it really irritates me too

kfallon

We were once those screaming kids in public places!

Oranage2

Unfortunetly in the real world people dont just hire babysitters for an hour so mammy/daddy can look at some art expo - Not fair but thats life - Screaming kids very rarely annoy me except in the cinema other than that they dont really bother me -

ColeTrain

WindSock wrote: »

Can't even go to the pub to excape the cretins. And don't get me started on hangover breakfast fry establishments.

It's not on bringing small kids into a pub unless it's a family occasion.

Few weeks back was in with a few mates. Two of them were playing pool. There were a few small kids running around the place shouting, while their parents were happy out drinking away at the counter. Anyway, of course they went up to the pool table and starting throwing the balls into the pocket. Parents seen them and didn't even apologise or throw a euro on the table for a new game. :mad:

mal1

kfallon wrote: »

We were once those screaming kids in public places!

The guy is talking about an art gallery not the ilac centre

Wolfe Tone

I hate crying kids, little bastards should STFU. The parents are worse, continuing on with whatever they are doing not caring that their demon spawn is ruining everything for everyone else, whether thats a meal, or like what I experienced, peoples study in a bloody library. Leave the kids at home or in childcare if they can't stay quiet rather than making everyone else suffer.

CK2010

whats worse is the parents who tell the kids to hang around outside the pub in the carpark while they stay inside drinking.

K-9

WindSock wrote: »

Can't even go to the pub to excape the cretins. And don't get me started on hangover breakfast fry establishments.

First part, I can see your point, though there are exceptions.

Second part, don't go to cafe's with a hangover and expect no kids or crying babies. Toddlers have tantrums, adults shouldn't.

For Forks Sake

CK2010 wrote: »

whats worse is the parents who tell the kids to hang around outside the pub in the carpark while they stay inside drinking.

There's a pub near me that have put a bouncy castle in the carpark precisely to cater for such cretins

irjudge

later10 wrote: »

I think so. But I'm not a parent, I appreciate I might feel differently if I were a parent.

But I'm speaking from a childless adult's perspective, and I think that such views deserve to be taken into account by parents if we are to take their challenges into account as well.

I think most peoples perspective does change when they have kids. I can completely understand that people want a bit of quiet at Galleries, Libraries etc. But.....

Parents are still human beings whose brains need a bit of stimulation. Kids cry for just about any damn thing and its not always possible to leave them at home. So there is a bit of a quandary there. Consider as well that the guy most likely is not one of the other sort of parents who are often called to task on Boards, the ones who are constantly talking about their kids and boring everybody to death.

Live and let live lads. Whitney Houston was right y'know.

Buceph

I have no problem, in principle, with parents bringing kids to a pub. It's just unfortunate for a lot of parents that knackers have ruined the activity for them. I think this is a problem with the holiday industry at the moment and just like the lock-in laws, the law against having kids in after nine gets flouted by a lot of publicans. Once kids are teenagers they're generally happy enough playing pool or chatting with the other teenagers in the pub. Or if there's a garden sitting out in it talking ****e and sneaking fags they stole from their parents.

Young kids are different though, there's only so long a five year old will sit happily playing a PSP and that's about as long as a Tanora and pack of Bacon Fries lasts. And that's long enough for the parents to get a single drink in. To expect more from the child is unfair.

Although I did see a crying kid when I was buying fags the other day. He was throwing an almighty wobbly. Bawling his head off and stamping his little feet. It was over his mother only buying him one dinky and not all the ones he wanted. The mother said fine, I'm leaving you behind, and she went around the corner. The kid shut up, but the second she re-appeared he started the wobbler again. The dinky was taken off him, put back on the shelf, and he was marched, screaming out of the shop. If more parents were like that instead of letting little johnny cause havoc whereever they go we wouldn't have to have rules about where you can and can't take kids.

Carawaystick

later10 wrote: »

Can I just say from the outset that I do not subscribe to the belief that children are better seen and not heard, and that I have no problem, distress, irritation or otherwise with those who bear children, nor with children themselves.

However.

What I really find irritating are parents who choose to bring their children to places which may be inappropriate for small children, and where adults are trying to engage in an adult environment.

I was at an exhibition in the Irish Museum of Modern Art recently, when I counted three prams, and two of them with crying children, ...

I have had similar experiences in other public places, most irritatingly in restaurants, coffee houses, bars, and once, irony of ironies, at a Quaker funeral. (Why do parents insist on taking their young children to church or worship?)

Firstly can you provide evidence you never engaged in such behaviour at any time in your life?

secondly, were the audio exhibits in the imma overwhelmed by the crying children?

I can't understand the OP wondering why people known to children die or need to be buried or want to go to a religious ceremony cause any issues to any onmipotent or omnicient magic faerie like a god?

Snappy the Moose

Dead right OP, I have started taking my lad into the jacks when we are at restaurants so he won't disturb others outside.

Wolfe Tone

Snappy the Moose wrote: »

Dead right OP, I have started taking my lad into the jacks when we are at restaurants so he won't disturb others outside.

lol have vision of you locking him in a cubical while you eat the dinner

Turpentine

later10 wrote: »

Can I just say from the outset that I do not subscribe to the belief that children are better seen and not heard, and that I have no problem, distress, irritation or otherwise with those who bear children, nor with children themselves.

However.

What I really find irritating are parents who choose to bring their children to places which may be inappropriate for small children, and where adults are trying to engage in an adult environment.

I was at an exhibition in the Irish Museum of Modern Art recently, when I counted three prams, and two of them with crying children, and one of them with a particularly distressed child who cries went completely ignored as the father stared curiously into the unibrow of a Frida Kahlo portrait.

Other gallery users were clearly irritated, but the babys parent seemed similarly disinterested, and he carried on from room to room, occasionally cooing at the crying baby. Cooing. Why would you take your babies to see Frida Kahlo, and coo at it like you were in your own home?

I have had similar experiences in other public places, most irritatingly in restaurants, coffee houses, bars, and once, irony of ironies, at a Quaker funeral. (Why do parents insist on taking their young children to church or worship?)

Now obviously there are perfectly understandable situations whereby the parent must bring the children with them to an event or an occasion, usually of the last-minute-couldnt-manage-a-babysitter variety. No problem. And obviously when children get to a certain, more coherent age, this sort of socialisation is important. But parents ought to realise that taking their young children certain places can be discomforting to other people who are there to engage in an adult pursuit, or may themselves be there to get away from their kids for a couple of hours.

I understand that there are many difficulties in raising young children, and any reasonable individual respects this. But it isnt everybody else' s responsibility to defer to parenthood and to accomodate your childrens' inappropriate behaviour, especially in adult environments.

Anyone that brings their kids to an event and lets them disrupt it for all the adults there is an idiot.

I have a nipper. I bring her to galleries and other social gatherings. She's too young to understand social etiquette. When she gets bored of the place or starts acting up we leave.

Zebra3

ColeTrain wrote: »

It's not on bringing small kids into a pub unless it's a family occasion.

Few weeks back was in with a few mates. Two of them were playing pool. There were a few small kids running around the place shouting, while their parents were happy out drinking away at the counter. Anyway, of course they went up to the pool table and starting throwing the balls into the pocket. Parents seen them and didn't even apologise or throw a euro on the table for a new game. :mad:

I'd have left and told the bar staff why.

WindSock

K-9 wrote: »

First part, I can see your point, though there are exceptions.

Second part, don't go to cafe's with a hangover and expect no kids or crying babies. Toddlers have tantrums, adults shouldn't.

Which is why we need a few establishments that serve food in a child unfriendly environment. Hardly an indecent request. There are plenty of other cafes to choose from in Dublin. Give the rest of us some haven.

Cú Giobach

later10 wrote: »

But parents ought to realise that taking their young children certain places can be discomforting to other people who are there to engage in an adult pursuit, .

That just sounds wrong, very wrong.

mattjack

later10 wrote: »

Can I just say from the outset that I do not subscribe to the belief that children are better seen and not heard, and that I have no problem, distress, irritation or otherwise with those who bear children, nor with children themselves.

However.

What I really find irritating are parents who choose to bring their children to places which may be inappropriate for small children, and where adults are trying to engage in an adult environment.

I was at an exhibition in the Irish Museum of Modern Art recently, when I counted three prams, and two of them with crying children, and one of them with a particularly distressed child who cries went completely ignored as the father stared curiously into the unibrow of a Frida Kahlo portrait.

Other gallery users were clearly irritated, but the babys parent seemed similarly disinterested, and he carried on from room to room, occasionally cooing at the crying baby. Cooing. Why would you take your babies to see Frida Kahlo, and coo at it like you were in your own home?

I have had similar experiences in other public places, most irritatingly in restaurants, coffee houses, bars, and once, irony of ironies, at a Quaker funeral. (Why do parents insist on taking their young children to church or worship?)

Now obviously there are perfectly understandable situations whereby the parent must bring the children with them to an event or an occasion, usually of the last-minute-couldnt-manage-a-babysitter variety. No problem. And obviously when children get to a certain, more coherent age, this sort of socialisation is important. But parents ought to realise that taking their young children certain places can be discomforting to other people who are there to engage in an adult pursuit, or may themselves be there to get away from their kids for a couple of hours.

I understand that there are many difficulties in raising young children, and any reasonable individual respects this. But it isnt everybody else' s responsibility to defer to parenthood and to accomodate your childrens' inappropriate behaviour, especially in adult environments.

have you any children yourself..?...........

amacca

later10 wrote: »

Can I just say from the outset that I do not subscribe to the belief that children are better seen and not heard

Finally! children should be herded and not seen.

Babies: none of us can stand them. Let's just admit it.

Especially the ones on the bus. Oh my.

Human adults have a built-in reaction to crying babies which causes discomfort. If you can't shut your kid up in a public place, then leave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7wnY0k0u78

amdublin

Whats worse is those types of parents who bring them to a place like a gallery (where they bawl.....as children do) is they have a face on them like they are just daring you to try say something negative about their darling little angel.

The problem is not the child.
Yes children bawl.

The problem is the adults who know their children bawl and bring them to places where they subject others to their bawling.

Stupid parents :mad:

mfceiling

I have 3 small kids who go almost eveywhere with me.
Why shouldn't they?
If i'm somewhere and i feel them kicking off - i leave - simples.
I don't go to the pub with them to sit drinking while they run around the place high on fanta and crisps - if you do that then you shouldn't have kids cause they obviously interfere with your drinking.
For the most my kids are well behaved and don't go mad when they are out.
I like to take them to things like the trinity science museum, national history etc - sorry if there are adults in there who don't like kids but i want them to be interested in life and to ask questions and to learn new things.
I won't take them to pubs/restaurants etc where adults are trying to get away fom kids - unfair on everyone.
Some people don't deserve to have kids - it's like they are a hindrance to their lives - oh i can't go out drinking any more cause i've to get up to the kids in the morning - seriously if you wanted to keep being a party animal then tie a knot in it.

amdublin

mfceiling wrote: »

I have 3 small kids who go almost eveywhere with me.
Why shouldn't they?
If i'm somewhere and i feel them kicking off - i leave - simples.
......
For the most my kids are well behaved and don't go mad when they are out.
I like to take them to things like the trinity science museum, national history etc - sorry if there are adults in there who don't like kids but i want them to be interested in life and to ask questions and to learn new things.
t.

I don't lnow why you are getting insulted

From the op I thought it was clear that It is the noisy kids whose parents don't leave with them that are the issue.

mfceiling

amdublin wrote: »

I don't lnow why you are getting insulted

From the op I thought it was clear that It is the noisy kids whose parents don't leave with them that are the issue.

I'm not insulted at all....i agree with the OP

Don't bring your kids to the pub, if you kids kick off somewhere then leave and don't think that you kids are the centre of the universe and that everyone thinks they are great (they aren't)...

brendanL

Agree with OP,

Not a parent, but I know people with kids/mind them.

I think it's perfectly fine if a parent brings a kid to a funeral or art exhibit, whatever, as long as they leave if the child gets upset. Or atleast move off somewhere quiet until things are ok again.

I was at a funeral with my sister recently, most of her kids were sitting up with her, and the youngest was with her husband, at the back sitting near the door, and when the baby started crying he carried her outside swiftly so things weren't interrupted.

Basically, if you have kids you should be able to think ahead. Handle the problem before it becomes a situation and if they do start crying/making noise. Step outside.

My auntie once pushed around my cousin in Roches stores in Blanchardstown a long time ago now ;D for so long while she was crying that the security actually came over to see if the kid was ok and talked to her.

Needless to say, ever since then, she's slagged to high heaven over it.
So there are too approachs.. and I can understand why a parent would try to carry on as normal.. as they may be trying to teach some 'you don't always get your way' valuable lesson malarkey.. but there is a time and a place.

If you can't tell the difference between a place where it's ok to let them continue or not.. well then just take a look at the faces of the people around you. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out whether you need to pull a legger to the door until they calm down.

professore

mfceiling wrote: »

I'm not insulted at all....i agree with the OP

Don't bring your kids to the pub, if you kids kick off somewhere then leave and don't think that you kids are the centre of the universe and that everyone thinks they are great (they aren't)...

There is a balance, I see nothing wrong with if you're out for a walk or whatever bringing kids to a quiet pub for 1/2 an hour for a glass of water or fanta or whatever if it is during the day and they sit down quietly and drink it and then leave. Bringing them to a pub in the evening or if it's crowded with people or bringing a small child who acts up or a baby who bawls it's lungs out is a different matter entirely. Or worse, bringing small kids and skulling pints yourself while the kids run riot - that's child abuse. As with most things in life there are shades of grey, very few things are black and white - but legally we seem to be very bad at that here.

The "no under 18s in a pub after 9 PM" rule is a typical example. I think this has destroyed tourism here as many families with older teenagers cannot have a meal or a quiet drink listening to a trad session anymore.

Bruthal

Rachiee wrote: »

I absolutely adore children but it is precisely that reason why I agree with the op, it is unfair to bring children places where they cannot be stimulated the only reason parents do it is pure selfishness, they want to do such and such and cant get a baby sitter so they just do it anyway, either that or pure ignorance as to what activities are beneficial for children.. parenting unfortunately does not come with a manual.

No doubt you dont need the manual yourself. Kids can be annoying alright, but not every single place they are brought will be for the purpose of being intentionally stimulating for them.

AckwelFoley

This problem is something caused by our celtic tigerness that wont fcuk off.

The "sex and the city" life that many people want .

Ok so you're at an art gallery what the fcuk do you need your ears to look at a painting?

Ok, so from this thread and others ive read in AH ive established the following list of places you cannot bring a child

Art gallery - you cant hear the paintings

Cinema - disturbance

Resturant - you cant hear your sandwich

The Park - you cant hear the birds chirp..hey..i got a tip..take off your fcuking ipod when u jog

The seaside - blocks the sun, leaving only the hole in the ozone for you to enjoy + they make noise

The doctors - They make noise there too.. and im sick , somone please cry me a river

School - Yup cant bring them there either

Holidays - Parents are not allowed holidays - they have children to look after

Shopping - Pretty much the same reason as all of the above.


So in essance, rather than the usual ol load of bollox, just admit if you can that you hate children. Thats the first step. The second step is to come to the realisation that the world does not revolve around you. It will be those children that will be paying for your generation to have their arses wiped and nappies changed when you are too old to do it.. and you dont have family of your own because ... you hated children for too long and then when you wantwed them you were too old to have them

Da Shins Kelly

I don't get it either. I don't understand why parents bring their children to places they have no interest in, only to have them cry or constantly complain that they're bored.

Da Shins Kelly

snyper wrote: »

This problem is something caused by our celtic tigerness that wont fcuk off.

The "sex and the city" life that many people want .

Ok so you're at an art gallery what the fcuk do you need your ears to look at a painting?

Ok, so from this thread and others ive read in AH ive established the following list of places you cannot bring a child

Art gallery - you cant hear the paintings

Cinema - disturbance

Resturant - you cant hear your sandwich

The Park - you cant hear the birds chirp..hey..i got a tip..take off your fcuking ipod when u jog

The seaside - blocks the sun, leaving only the hole in the ozone for you to enjoy + they make noise

The doctors - They make noise there too.. and im sick , somone please cry me a river

School - Yup cant bring them there either

Holidays - Parents are not allowed holidays - they have children to look after

Shopping - Pretty much the same reason as all of the above.


So in essance, rather than the usual ol load of bollox, just admit if you can that you hate children. Thats the first step. The second step is to come to the realisation that the world does not revolve around you. It will be those children that will be paying for your generation to have their arses wiped and nappies changed when you are too old to do it.. and you dont have family of your own because ... you hated children for too long and then when you wantwed them you were too old to have them

I'll admit that I'm not that fond of children, but I don't HATE them (that's a bit strong), and it's not because I'm too old to have any. I'm more than young enough (still in college), but I'll admit that, yes, I'd much rather enjoy an art gallery or a restaurant without babies who don't want to be there screaming their heads off.

AckwelFoley

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I don't get it either. I don't understand why parents bring their children to places they have no interest in, only to have them cry or constantly complain that they're bored.

Because if they lock them under the stairs and go, the cruelty man comes.

Get a baby sitter? Sure, they're free.

Dont have children if you cant afford them?!!! You dont buy a house or a car or a bike if you cannot afford it. Having a child is not an fiscal; asset, its a human thing. You certainly dont go having 10 kids if you cant afford them, but even 1 or 2 kids are costly

RachaelVO

I am a parent, and I agree with ya OP!

I wouldn't dream of inflicting my children on other people. Of course we do take them out, but only to places that are child appropriate. Even when we are in the airport or on public transport, they behave themselves, because they are made do what they are told. I don't mind them singing and talking and playing, once they don't disturb other people. They do NOT run around where they are not supposed to, and at no point in time are they allowed to be miles ahead or behind me or their father

It's just the way we decided to do it. They are our responsibility and our children, and we have no right to allow them to disturb other people with tantrums and bad behaviour. Even when I have to bring them grocery shopping, they are told in no uncertain terms that if they do misbehave there will be consequences. If we're walking down the street they must hold our hand.

I have to point out that my kids are 2 and 4, so no one can say it's a toddler tantrum thing, that's horse sh1t. If my 2 year old starts being a pain in the bo11ox, he is taken out of the situation.

Da Shins Kelly

snyper wrote: »

Because if they lock them under the stairs and go, the cruelty man comes.

Get a baby sitter? Sure, they're free.

Dont have children if you cant afford them?!!! You dont buy a house or a car or a bike if you cannot afford it. Having a child is not an fiscal; asset, its a human thing. You certainly dont go having 10 kids if you cant afford them, but even 1 or 2 kids are costly

I dunno, if my sister (who has three children) ever wants to do anything herself, she leaves them with relatives - grandparents, siblings, aunts, whatever.

You can go on with this 'they're human beings, blah, blah, blah', they're still f*cking annoying.

AckwelFoley

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I dunno, if my sister (who has three children) ever wants to do anything herself, she leaves them with relatives - grandparents, siblings, aunts, whatever.

You can go on with this 'they're human beings, blah, blah, blah', they're still f*cking annoying.

Children are like poo. You can just about deal with your own, but the extended relative babysitting thing isnt always afforded to some parents

Zebra3

snyper wrote: »

This problem is something caused by our celtic tigerness that wont fcuk off.

The "sex and the city" life that many people want .

Ok so you're at an art gallery what the fcuk do you need your ears to look at a painting?

Ok, so from this thread and others ive read in AH ive established the following list of places you cannot bring a child

Art gallery - you cant hear the paintings

Cinema - disturbance

Resturant - you cant hear your sandwich

The Park - you cant hear the birds chirp..hey..i got a tip..take off your fcuking ipod when u jog

The seaside - blocks the sun, leaving only the hole in the ozone for you to enjoy + they make noise

The doctors - They make noise there too.. and im sick , somone please cry me a river

School - Yup cant bring them there either

Holidays - Parents are not allowed holidays - they have children to look after

Shopping - Pretty much the same reason as all of the above.


So in essance, rather than the usual ol load of bollox, just admit if you can that you hate children. Thats the first step. The second step is to come to the realisation that the world does not revolve around you. It will be those children that will be paying for your generation to have their arses wiped and nappies changed when you are too old to do it.. and you dont have family of your own because ... you hated children for too long and then when you wantwed them you were too old to have them

What a steaming pile of dung. There are occasions and places that are for adults. Same for families.

I don't want young kids being in pubs late at night when people are drinking, letting their hair down, and discussing adult issues.

Likewise I'd be appalled at adults talking in public places during the day in front of kids about sexual conquests or how great drugs are.

It's simple common sense. :rolleyes:

The King of Moo

snyper wrote: »

This problem is something caused by our celtic tigerness that wont fcuk off.

The "sex and the city" life that many people want .

Ok so you're at an art gallery what the fcuk do you need your ears to look at a painting?

Ok, so from this thread and others ive read in AH ive established the following list of places you cannot bring a child

Art gallery - you cant hear the paintings

Cinema - disturbance

Resturant - you cant hear your sandwich

The Park - you cant hear the birds chirp..hey..i got a tip..take off your fcuking ipod when u jog

The seaside - blocks the sun, leaving only the hole in the ozone for you to enjoy + they make noise

The doctors - They make noise there too.. and im sick , somone please cry me a river

School - Yup cant bring them there either

Holidays - Parents are not allowed holidays - they have children to look after

Shopping - Pretty much the same reason as all of the above.


So in essance, rather than the usual ol load of bollox, just admit if you can that you hate children. Thats the first step. The second step is to come to the realisation that the world does not revolve around you. It will be those children that will be paying for your generation to have their arses wiped and nappies changed when you are too old to do it.. and you dont have family of your own because ... you hated children for too long and then when you wantwed them you were too old to have them

You bring up some interesting cases in your list, but it's such a generalisation to say that people who have a problem with young children causing a nuisance in certain places hate children. I love kids but I don't like when they cause disturbances for people and the parents are oblivious/don't care.

Also: the cinema? That's the worst place to bring kids!! It's based entirely on people being silent to enjoy it properly. If you've got a baby bring it to a special parent-and-baby screening. If they're older then tell them to be quiet and respect the people around them trying to enjoy the film.