VW Amarok

-Corkie-

I passed my local VW showroom and seen one of these outside. I had to laugh at the pictures on the website because the Jeep I seen in the showroom didnt look like the ones on the website as its a Paddy spec...







I cant see a market here for them now with the place flooded with Hi luxs and Navaras and restrictions on taxing commercials. If they launched it in 2005 they would have sold a pile of them.

Matt Simis

-Corkie- wrote: »

I cant see a market here for them now with the place flooded with Hi luxs and Navaras and restrictions on taxing commercials. If they launched it in 2005 they would have sold a pile of them.

The restriction on taxing commercials is just to have a registered business isnt it? Thats like one form and 50 quid to do.

-Corkie-

Matt Simis wrote: »

The restriction on taxing commercials is just to have a registered business isnt it? Thats like one form and 50 quid to do.

It is surley but my point was not many Joe Soaps will buy them. I think its a horrible looking yoke.

Matt Simis

-Corkie- wrote: »

It is surley but my point was not many Joe Soaps will buy them. I think its a horrible looking yoke.

I dunno, I think its a nicer looking Navarra they all look like this.

Personally (pickup truck wise) Id like a used Cummins diesel powered 6.7Litre yank tank, taxed for EUR230 with 300bhp+, but thats me..

R.O.R

-Corkie- wrote: »

It is surley but my point was not many Joe Soaps will buy them. I think its a horrible looking yoke.

I think it's quite funky looking.

€38k for the Highline is welll over the odds, but it is only a 2.0, so would cost €614 to tax privately. Navarra/D-Max/L200 are all 2.5 or 3 litre so quite a bit more to tax, although they are a good bit cheaper.

Don't think VW are expecting to sell many, but they shift a handful.

galwaytt

Matt Simis wrote: »

I dunno, I think its a nicer looking Navarra they all look like this.

Personally (pickup truck wise) Id like a used Cummins diesel powered 6.7Litre yank tank, taxed for EUR230 with 300bhp+, but thats me..

There's an F450 (iirc) on Done Deal that'll float your boat, so

-Corkie-

R.O.R wrote: »

I think it's quite funky looking.

€38k for the Highline is welll over the odds, but it is only a 2.0, so would cost €614 to tax privately. Navarra/D-Max/L200 are all 2.5 or 3 litre so quite a bit more to tax, although they are a good bit cheaper.

Don't think VW are expecting to sell many, but they shift a handful.

Ya the trendline comes with no extras at all. The Navara/Hi lux are specced a way better..

thirtythirty

Wish I had the weather, need, and cash for a pickup

shogunpower

how does vw expect that 2.0 tdi to compete with the 190bhp 3.0 liters in pickups today? it couldn't have near the torque needed to pull an ifor williams trailer and a 3 tonne digger...

fonecrusher1

shogunpower wrote: »

how does vw expect that 2.0 tdi to compete with the 190bhp 3.0 liters in pickups today? it couldn't have near the torque needed to pull an ifor williams trailer and a 3 tonne digger...

I think vw are looking to sell this car to people looking for a 'lifestyle' vehicle rather than people who genuinely need something with big torque that will pull heavy trailers & withstand heavy duty commercial use.

I'd say that amarok would fall apart after a few months if it was bought by someone working in the building trade.

Lord Derpington

Matt Simis wrote: »

Personally (pickup truck wise) Id like a used Cummins diesel powered 6.7Litre yank tank, taxed for EUR230 with 300bhp+, but thats me..

Thats a fairly good description of this Dodge Ram 3500 (1998) except its 5.9

JJJJNR

its a twin turbo 2.0TDi...


WANT

Matt Simis

greenfly wrote: »

Thats a fairly good description of this Dodge Ram 3500 (1998) except its 5.9

It is, though pricing seems a bit rich, considering how cheap it would be to import a newer one from the US (VRT is like EUR50 as its a commercial vehicle right?).

JJJJNR wrote: »

its a twin turbo 2.0TDi...
WANT

Would it have killed them to put in the 3.0 V6, maybe tuned for CO2/MPG (low tax), from the Touareg into it though? A twin-turbo 4pot is going to get murdered towing and hauling.

shogunpower

does it have a low range transfer box? locking center and rear diff? or a rear lsd? leaf springs and solid axles? if not then its a poor excuse for a pickup, that bail of brand new fencing posts is about the heaviest and roughest thing its ever going to carry to the road outside the field as you could never go off roading with those road tyres.

EPM

shogunpower wrote: »

does it have a low range transfer box? locking center and rear diff? or a rear lsd? leaf springs and solid axles? if not then its a poor excuse for a pickup, that bail of brand new fencing posts is about the heaviest and roughest thing its ever going to carry to the road outside the field as you could never go off roading with those road tyres.

Surely that's the point. If it was intended as a real working vehicle it would be equipped like one.

Pointless car tbh for Ireland these days.

R.O.R

Matt Simis wrote: »

It is, though pricing seems a bit rich, considering how cheap it would be to import a newer one from the US (VRT is like EUR50 as its a commercial vehicle right?).
Would it have killed them to put in the 3.0 V6, maybe tuned for CO2/MPG (low tax), from the Touareg into it though? A twin-turbo 4pot is going to get murdered towing and hauling.

VRT is €200 this month, going up to 13.3% from 1st June. Affecting the D-MAX by about €4,500.

Not sure what classification the yank tank would be though. Guessing GVW is well over 3.5T?

savagecabbages

shogunpower wrote: »

...that bail of brand new fencing posts is about the heaviest and roughest thing its ever going to carry to the road...

I honestly cant remember the last time I saw a pickup carrying a load it was designed for... Most spend their time cruising around urban areas.
I'm sure this vehicle will go down a treat with the TDI Passat brigade, or the Izusu Dmax Cobra (or whatever its called) owners.

Pointless. Absolutely.
Good Business sense. Absolutely.

-Corkie-

savagecabbages wrote: »

I honestly cant remember the last time I saw a pickup carrying a load it was designed for... Most spend their time cruising around urban areas.
I'm sure this vehicle will go down a treat with the TDI Passat brigade, or the Izusu Dmax Cobra (or whatever its called) owners.

Pointless. Absolutely.
Good Business sense. Absolutely.

LOL so you reackon in time you will see the Amarok with the chicken wire grill and loads of red badges...:D

Lord Derpington

To be fair to VW

The Isuzu D Max has 136ps and a maximum of 280Nm of torque from a 3.0-litre common-rail diesel engine

The Nissan Navara has 171hp and 403Nm of torque from a 2.5 litre diesel engine

So the Amarok isnt that bad with the 122/163bhp and 400Nm of torque from a 2.0tdi

I know its a smaller engine, but when you compare it to what else it out there power-wise i cant see how it would struggle any more or less than what is currently available. Yes its not as powerful as the Nissan but it has considerably more torque than the Isuzu.

They do claim (link) that

volkswagenvans.ie wrote:

The Amarok can climb any mountain and carry your load at the same time. Even with a trailer weight of 2.8 t, the Amarok can overcome 12% gradients - and, with a load of 1 tonne, hill gradients of 100% (45°).

Then again none of this is taking anything other than power into account, i have never owned or had need to own a vehicle like this.

colm_mcm

I don't think its too bad a proposition.
Has to be said I can't see the paddy spec one

Decent fuel economy
163hp
Car like interior
Big load space
Lots of safety kit
Novelty value

Not too long ago crewcabs had under 100hp
The hilux 3.0 is mainly 163hp too

I don't think youll see them down quarries but there is a market for them.
A decently specced tiguan is 35k, but too girly. I can see men with the vw horn buying these over an a4 or similar.

shogunpower

i hope to god it doesnt have the same clutch/flywheel as the 2.0 tdi in the vw cars, it wouldnt last a week towing a big trailer, its 10 years to late for ireland, farmers wouldn't look near it because all the plastic would have fallen off after a week of harsh farm life, and city dwellers cant buy them now because they cant tax them commercially, builders couldn't afford to fill one with diesel these days, so there is no market for them in ireland anyway

Drummerboy08

R.O.R wrote: »

€38k for the Highline is welll over the odds, but it is only a 2.0, so would cost €614 to tax privately. Navarra/D-Max/L200 are all 2.5 or 3 litre so quite a bit more to tax, although they are a good bit cheaper.

Nope, emmisions on the 2.0TDi 90 are 197g/km so that means €1050 to tax privately.

Nice eh.

The only people I can see buying one of these are someone who can put it through a business. Private punters for these are few and far between.

savagecabbages

-Corkie- wrote: »

LOL so you reackon in time you will see the Amarok with the chicken wire grill and loads of red badges...:D

Thats exactly what I see happening. I rekon VW see that too and are possibly cashing in on this. They have cultivated an image with the Passat over the last few years, and a loyal customer who wants to get a pickup can now stay with the brand, rather than them getting something else and maybe sticking with the new brand after.
I can also imagine lots of business owners who dont want a van might want a high spec Amarok for carrying around cardboard boxes etc. Not so much farmers carrying straw bales/sheep, or builders towing diggers...

All depends on how VW market it

Matt Simis

R.O.R wrote: »

VRT is €200 this month, going up to 13.3% from 1st June. Affecting the D-MAX by about €4,500.

Not sure what classification the yank tank would be though. Guessing GVW is well over 3.5T?

Was looking this up out of curiosty. To be a Cat C Commercial import from June 1st does indeed require the "weight" to be over 3.5t.. but is that weight referring to Gross Vehicle Weight or Curb (Kerb?) Weight?

Curb weight is about 2600kg.
Gross Vehicle weight is 3900kg+


Would seem a bit.. easy to get on the EUR200 band rate is its really GVW would it not?


PS: Mods if Im ruining this thread let me know and Ill make a seperate one

Drummerboy08

savagecabbages wrote: »

Thats exactly what I see happening. I rekon VW see that too and are possibly cashing in on this. They have cultivated an image with the Passat over the last few years, and a loyal customer who wants to get a pickup can now stay with the brand, rather than them getting something else and maybe sticking with the new brand after.
I can also imagine lots of business owners who dont want a van might want a high spec Amarok for carrying around cardboard boxes etc. Not so much farmers carrying straw bales/sheep, or builders towing diggers...

All depends on how VW market it

Trust me, there are very few businesses out there willing to spend the guts of €40k on a machine to carry cardboard boxes around. There is a very limited market for these machines to businesses at the minute.

Anyone who is getting a car, gets just that, a car. Anyone who is getting a van, get's just that, a van.

Likewise with retail punters. There are very few people (in Ireland anyway) who will spend €40k on something like this and then spend over €1000 per year taxing it.

€40k is Audi A4 money, and I know what I'd prefer.

savagecabbages

I was looking at it more as an alternative to an X5/Touraeg/Discovery Commercial.

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Anyone who is getting a car, gets just that, a car. Anyone who is getting a van, get's just that, a van.

Where do SUVs fit in there? Or the Commercial Jeeps mentioned above? They are neither a car, nor a van but there are loads about.

Drummerboy08

savagecabbages wrote: »

I was looking at it more as an alternative to an X5/Touraeg/Discovery Commercial.

Where do SUVs fit in there? Or the Commercial Jeeps mentioned above? They are neither a car, nor a van but there are loads about.

SUV's only come into the equation in businesses when a director/manager is involved. Reps very rarely get an option of an SUV.

As such, something like this won't get a look in. These guys will want an XC90/X5 Passenger/Q7.

From a commercial point of view, the Disco commercial is stupid money, Touareg commercial isn't available (and probably won't be) and X5 commercial is crazy money.

The reason there are loads about is because they were popular when things were good. How many brand new ones do you see on the road now?

R.O.R

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Nope, emmisions on the 2.0TDi 90 are 197g/km so that means €1050 to tax privately.

Nice eh.

I'd be pretty sure it's classed as a commercial vehicle and therefore can only be taxed on the engine size rather than emissions. Navarra and L200 are classed as Category B commercials so for private use, it goes on CC.

shogunpower

shogunpower wrote: »

i hope to god it doesnt have the same clutch/flywheel as the 2.0 tdi in the vw cars, it wouldnt last a week towing a big trailer, its 10 years to late for ireland, farmers wouldn't look near it because all the plastic would have fallen off after a week of harsh farm life, and city dwellers cant buy them now because they cant tax them commercially, builders couldn't afford to fill one with diesel these days, so there is no market for them in ireland anyway

I think it could prove to be quite popular with farmers. I know around me VW and skodas are the choice of most farmers so a VW pick up will prove popular I feel. I cant see them falling apart any quicker than alternative pick up either.

On the pick up itself, I think it looks very well, in the high spec anyway.

savagecabbages

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

These guys will want an XC90/X5 Passenger/Q7.

I'm not going to declare what people will or wont buy, I was only saying it may be a good alternative to a commercial van/jeep thingy. People do still want this type of vehicle.

As Jaiden Tart Pig says a farmer with a VW or Skoda who trusts VAG might consider one just because its a VW.

Drummerboy08

R.O.R wrote: »

I'd be pretty sure it's classed as a commercial vehicle and therefore can only be taxed on the engine size rather than emissions. Navarra and L200 are classed as Category B commercials so for private use, it goes on CC.

http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/MotorTax/TaxingVehicles/#goods

Section on Crew Cabs states that if you don't qualify for Commercial rates, it must be taxed privately.

As you can't tax a new vehicle based on CC, I can only assume it has to be taxed by emmisions. I'd imagine that's one of the reasons VW has listed the emmisions on the web, normally not done for commercials.

R.O.R

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/MotorTax/TaxingVehicles/#goods

Section on Crew Cabs states that if you don't qualify for Commercial rates, it must be taxed privately.

As you can't tax a new vehicle based on CC, I can only assume it has to be taxed by emmisions. I'd imagine that's one of the reasons VW has listed the emmisions on the web, normally not done for commercials.

Ah, you haven't tried to tax a commercial on emissions yet then

Drummerboy08

R.O.R wrote: »

Ah, you haven't tried to tax a commercial on emissions yet then

No, because I'm not mad enough to register a new commercial to tax it privately!

Eric Cartman

Matt Simis wrote: »

It is, though pricing seems a bit rich, considering how cheap it would be to import a newer one from the US (VRT is like EUR50 as its a commercial vehicle right?).
Would it have killed them to put in the 3.0 V6, maybe tuned for CO2/MPG (low tax), from the Touareg into it though? A twin-turbo 4pot is going to get murdered towing and hauling.

If it came in automatic and with the v10 TDI from the toureg id be down ordering one in the morning , as a 2.0 I have no interest in it, It will probably be worse on fuel than a hilux / D-max as soon as you put anything in the bed or tow a trailor

Big Nasty

Nobody call it the VW 'Anorak' yet!?!:D:pac:

galwaytt

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If it came in automatic and with the v10 TDI from the toureg id be down ordering one in the morning , as a 2.0 I have no interest in it, It will probably be worse on fuel than a hilux / D-max as soon as you put anything in the bed or tow a trailor

LOL, don't think so !

Looking at the VW commercial pricelist today, I see Caravelle's listed as Tax Band F, so annual tax = €2100 p.a. And that's a 2.0.

You can forget the 5.0 I'd say!

And all the Transporter's are now 2.0. The good 2.5 is gone. What a farce.

No Transporter Chassis & cab listed, either, you have to buy a Crafter to get one.

JJJJNR

I'd buy one just to get a "Twin Turbo" sun visor...


Twin Turbo TDI.....

CJhaughey

This isn't the first VW pickup, remember the Taro?
That was a great vehicle, full of German engineering:rolleyes:.
They ran Amaroks in this years Dakar rally to pick up rubbish.

silver campaign

shogunpower wrote: »

how does vw expect that 2.0 tdi to compete with the 190bhp 3.0 liters in pickups today? it couldn't have near the torque needed to pull an ifor williams trailer and a 3 tonne digger...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l800hyQnP5s