Aer Arann incident may 6th

Beano

Does anybody have any more info on the aer arann incident at bristol airport on May 6th? I've jsut been talking to a friend of mine who was on the flight and i couldnt believe an engine failure could go totally unreported. Whilst googling for more info i seen a post on pprune about poor maintenance standards on aer arann planes. I fly aer arann to bristol quite regularly. Should i be looking for an alternative route?

Foggy43

I would assume PPRUNE was discussing this incident

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/S1-2011%20ATR%2072-202,%20EI-SLG%2005-11.pdf

I would say 90% of engine failures are down to false fire indications. Procedure says the engine must be shut down even if you are almost certain it is a bad indication.
This happens to all airlines. I wouldn't change.

Growler!!!

Beano wrote: »

Whilst googling for more info i seen a post on pprune about poor maintenance standards on aer arann planes.

Do you have a link?

Foggy - the link you provided is for an incident involving a different company using the same type, maintained by a third party MRO in a different country!

Beano

No, a different incident in bristol.

From pprune :

Dont be so harsh. There is a very good reason why these heaps of junk are being painted regularly - the paint is all that is holding them together. Another catastropic engine failure on Friday night in Bristol and this time in aer Lingus colours so maybe now something will be done about the appaling state of the fleet.

Not counting the recent catastrophic engine failure in Bristol, how many serious incidents/accidents have AerArann had? And why is the IAA and AerLingus turning a blind eye, or do they know?????

Beano

Growler!!! wrote: »

Do you have a link?

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http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/450478-aer-arann-exodus-has-started-2.html

I dont read pprune i found that mention on a google search. The only reason i heard about the accident at all is because i know somebody that was on the flight. I jsut wanted to know if anybody has any other info or if it was reported anywhere.

Growler!!!

Cheers Beano

Can you provide a link though? The quotes can be read out of context in relation to the rest of the thread.

I liken Pprune to a Customer Relations Department - You only ever hear the complaints not the praise:D

Beano

Growler!!! wrote: »

Cheers Beano

Can you provide a link though? The quotes can be read out of context in relation to the rest of the thread.

I liken Pprune to a Customer Relations Department - You only ever hear the complaints not the praise:D

I did provide a link to the PPRUNE thread.

Growler!!!

Beano wrote: »

I did provide a link to the PPRUNE thread.

I know. Thats why I thanked your post and put an edit at the end of mine - cheers;)

Tenger

Beano wrote: »

I did provide a link to the PPRUNE thread.

You did however the problem with that thread is that it is to a blatantly anti-RE thread.

I am not denying any engine incident with RE out of Bristol. But there is a lot of vitriol in that thread.

This link gives a list of recent RE incidents:
http://avherald.com/h?search_term=aer+arann&opt=1&dosearch=1&search.x=0&search.y=0

Beano

Tenger wrote: »

You did however the problem with that thread is that it is to a blatantly anti-RE thread.

I am not denying any engine incident with RE out of Bristol. But there is a lot of vitriol in that thread.

This link gives a list of recent RE incidents:
http://avherald.com/h?search_term=aer+arann&opt=1&dosearch=1&search.x=0&search.y=0

That lsit doesnt have the incident i mentioned. Anybody got an up to date list?

Foggy43

Growler!!! wrote: »

Do you have a link?

Foggy - the link you provided is for an incident involving a different company using the same type, maintained by a third party MRO in a different country!

Thank you for the correction. I meant to look up the reg EI-SLG but got distracted by coverage of an historic events in Dublin.

Growler!!!

Foggy43 wrote: »

Thank you for the correction. I meant to look up the reg EI-SLG but got distracted by coverage of an historic events in Dublin.

No Historic events in the real capital till Friday:D

L1011

I didn't think the old 72's were painted as Aer Lingus as a poster there suggests?

Tenger

MYOB wrote: »

I didn't think the old 72's were painted as Aer Lingus as a poster there suggests?

Here's the list of RE aircraft painted in EI livery:
http://www.jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/aer_lingus_regional.html

roundymac

What I've seen on pprune about states that it was a fairly major failure. No other info given. I saw on the Irish Examiner that an Aer Lingus liveried atr suffered an engine failure and had to return to Shannon last week.

Andrew33

Growler!!! wrote: »

No Historic events in the real capital till Friday:D

You need to employ an architect, an engineer and a couple of labourers and get them to build you a bridge, and then get over it. Cork never was the capital and never will be;)

Tenger

roundymac wrote: »

What I've seen on pprune about states that it was a fairly major failure. No other info given. I saw on the Irish Examiner that an Aer Lingus liveried atr suffered an engine failure and had to return to Shannon last week.

Here is that info:
http://avherald.com/h?article=43c76cf3&opt=1

Neworder79

Believe there were 2 engine failures a couple of years back, one out of Kerry and one landing in Donegal.

Whether it's rumor or legitimate complaint from staff the posts on that forum are shocking, and there was an earlier thread a few months back with similar claims about safety from crew. Hope the IAA are investigating these rumors.

L1011

Tenger wrote: »

Here's the list of RE aircraft painted in EI livery:
http://www.jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/aer_lingus_regional.html

Forgot they'd leased in more since the deal started, SLL and SLM are fairly old at this stage. SLG that the pprune post refers to isn't in EI livery though. However the article says it was REO which is a much newer RE-owned plane as far as I know.

Growler!!!

MYOB wrote: »

SLG that the pprune post refers to isn't in EI livery though.

With good reason - It belongs to Air Contractors and is in cargo config.

The article mentioned above about REO says it returned due to an indication fault. Sounds like a gauge didnt work and the crew returned to Snn as a precaution, not a failure. Non event to be honest.

roundymac

Tenger wrote: »

Here is that info:
http://avherald.com/h?article=43c76cf3&opt=1

Sorry if I was not very clear in my post. The pprune article is about an incident which they state happened in Bristol last week, apart from saying it was a major engine failure it gives no further information. The Shannon incedent was something I read about in the papers and nothing to do with pprune.

Tenger

roundymac wrote: »

Sorry if I was not very clear in my post. The pprune article is about an incident which they state happened in Bristol last week, apart from saying it was a major engine failure it gives no further information. The Shannon incedent was something I read about in the papers and nothing to do with pprune.

And my point of view would be that Aviation Herald reports on any and all incidents,usually within 24 hours. I was posting the link to Shannon to show how they report any incidents no matter how minor in the end. (They even cover medical diversions into Ireland)
As an example the EI A330 engine failure out of MCO 12 months ago was reported within 12 hours)

So in my opinion if an serious engine incident happened in Bristol then AvHerald would have reported it.

EDIT: Sorry. I realise you know a person on the flight in question.
I am just querying the level of the incident if it has gone unreported.
Could it have been something that went unremarked/unnoticed by the general public?
And if proven then that in itself is a serious question to be asked.

Beano

As i said in the OP the incident definitely happened as i was talking to somebody who was on the flight.

This thread is going nowhere. can a mod close it please?

Reoil

What are the C, A, I, N, & R labels on that site?
I can't find an explanation anywhere!

Tenger wrote: »

You did however the problem with that thread is that it is to a blatantly anti-RE thread.

I am not denying any engine incident with RE out of Bristol. But there is a lot of vitriol in that thread.

This link gives a list of recent RE incidents:
http://avherald.com/h?search_term=aer+arann&opt=1&dosearch=1&search.x=0&search.y=0

Reoil

Reoil wrote: »

What are the C, A, I, N, & R labels on that site?
I can't find an explanation anywhere!

Anybody?

MicK10rt

Reoil wrote: »

Anybody?

Think this is what your looking for

http://avherald.com/h?faq=&opt=7936