What Is the process of SW?

Muffinman1

Hello,
I have posted in previous issues about me leaving my job voluntarily.
But when I start applying for JSB I just want to ask questions about Social Welfare.

When I go in to apply do they usually interview me on that day or do I have to wait week(s) to be recalled?
What actions do they do? (contacting previous employers etc)
I expect I will get disqualified as I left of my own will but the job was causing me alot of stress and depression, I had been to see a counsellor on 4occasions. He didnt issue a receipt but gave me a contract of my own confidentiality been assured. Should I bring this info along?

Any information is appreciated thanks

Lugh Ildanach

The first day you go in and register with them, they give you a form and ask you to come back, usually in a couple of days with it completed and with any documentation.

Here is the form that they will give you, so you have an idea of the questions that will be asked. http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Forms/Documents/UP1.pdf

As you can see, there is a portion of the form to say why your employment ended. The amount of information that they will request from the former employer will depend on the circumstances of each case. If you put down that the job was causing you stress and depression, be prepared to back that up with information, for example from the counsellor or your doctor, or any grievance procedure that you may have engaged with in work.

You can make a case for no disqualification to apply because of the stress etc. If you give more evidence at the start, they are less likely to delve into it in as much detail with your employer, but of course they may well ask their point of view. The point is whether leaving your employment was reasonable. If you have objective evidence of stress/depression, it is more likely that the deciding officer (or any appeal officer if you decide to appeal) will not apply a disqualification, or apply a shorter disqualification than the full amount.

You should also consider putting in a claim for constructive dismissal, depending on whether the stress etc. can be put on your employer. If you're a union member speak to them, if not give the National Employment Rights Authority on 1890 808090

Muffinman1

Cheers for the information,

I have been to a doctor and a counsellor. I never got receipts from either because I didnt think I'd need them. (Neither offered one either).

But my doctor retired in past few weeks so how'd I go about getting receipt off him, Also the counsellor gave me no receipts but a sort of confidentiality contract.
And I dont think I could, nor do I want to, try make it a case against company.
Think simple fact is I got pure stressed because I not able for the profession and no matter how I tried grasp it I just couldn't. The employers have been so good to me that I told them I was going travelling as I didn't want to say truth as they'd want me to stay on but I just not able.
Also if I just explain I left voluntarily would they still contact previous employers?

Lugh Ildanach

Muffinman1 wrote: »

Cheers for the information,

I have been to a doctor and a counsellor. I never got receipts from either because I didnt think I'd need them. (Neither offered one either).

But my doctor retired in past few weeks so how'd I go about getting receipt off him, Also the counsellor gave me no receipts but a sort of confidentiality contract.
And I dont think I could, nor do I want to, try make it a case against company.
Think simple fact is I got pure stressed because I not able for the profession and no matter how I tried grasp it I just couldn't. The employers have been so good to me that I told them I was going travelling as I didn't want to say truth as they'd want me to stay on but I just not able.
Also if I just explain I left voluntarily would they still contact previous employers?

Explain all this to deciding officer. This is the kind of case where a disqualification may not be applied, certainly if you take it to an appeal. Stress and an inability to do your job properly are perfectly reasonable reasons to leave a job.

If you simply say you left voluntarily without putting in any more details than that you will get the disqualification.

Muffinman1

I will explain to the Deciding officer. Just would prefer if they avoided contacting previous employer too or kept it minimal because I do feel kinda guilty too leaving a job when country is as it is.
Also does a deciding officer decide on the day if you get any ban etc

eddiehen

Muffinman1 wrote: »

I will explain to the Deciding officer. Just would prefer if they avoided contacting previous employer too or kept it minimal because I do feel kinda guilty too leaving a job when country is as it is.
Also does a deciding officer decide on the day if you get any ban etc

This is the 3rd thread you've started on the subject, and the 3rd one to mention you'd "rather they didn't contact.....employer".

No employer is going to say "he left because we bullied him". At the end of the day, it's their word against yours. Your word is made stronger by taking a case for constructive dismissal, should you consider that to be the case. Your word is made weaker by saying "please don't contact my employer", as i'm sure the employment appeals tribunal (should your case get that far) will HAVE to contact them. End of.

And no, they won't tell you on the day, just make you aware of the fact that you MAY be disallowed for 9 weeks.

Muffinman1

Eddie it seems you had prolem reading.

I clearly stated it's NOT constructive dismissal and also that I just wanted to avoid employer been contacted because of leaving a job when they were nice it was simply just I wasn't able for job

But sorry if threads upset you I didn't mean any offense

Larkenn

Muffinman1 wrote: »

Cheers for the information,

I have been to a doctor and a counsellor. I never got receipts from either because I didnt think I'd need them. (Neither offered one either).

But my doctor retired in past few weeks so how'd I go about getting receipt off him, Also the counsellor gave me no receipts but a sort of confidentiality contract.
And I dont think I could, nor do I want to, try make it a case against company.
Think simple fact is I got pure stressed because I not able for the profession and no matter how I tried grasp it I just couldn't. The employers have been so good to me that I told them I was going travelling as I didn't want to say truth as they'd want me to stay on but I just not able.
Also if I just explain I left voluntarily would they still contact previous employers?

You should try getting your hands on the receipts. The social aren't renowned for taking a claimant at their word. They will want to see the proof.

If another doctor has taken over your GPs practice then there is a good chance that your appointment may still be on the system. You could ask this new GP for a copy of the appointment or a receipt. You should definitely ask your counsellor for the receipt. You are entitled to it so don't take no for an answer if he refuses to give it.

Do you have the prescription receipts for any medication you received. Maybe these could be used to prove you attended a doctor.

eddiehen

Muffinman1 wrote: »

Eddie it seems you had prolem reading.

I clearly stated it's NOT constructive dismissal and also that I just wanted to avoid employer been contacted because of leaving a job when they were nice it was simply just I wasn't able for job

But sorry if threads upset you I didn't mean any offense

Wait, you weren't able for the job? What about

don't want my old job back for simple reason it finically a burden to me

Or

I was told I could get a job in USA but now have problem with Visa

Or was it

I was training as a trainee solicitor but I dislike the career and get stressed with the workload

make up your mind before you go trolling for the best way to defraud the department.

mp22

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