MSc in sports science and related fields

Hanley

Who knows about them, who’s done them, who’s thinking of doing them?!

Just doing some provisional research on what’s out there for 2012. Ireland or UK considered…

Banks

Hanley wrote: »

Who knows about them, who’s done them, who’s thinking of doing them?!

Just doing some provisional research on what’s out there for 2012. Ireland or UK considered…

What u lookin for exactly? An accounting, Ex phys, S&C Msc??:D

Trinity offer an Msc in Exercise physiology, other than that ur onto UK or Edith Cowan in Australia which alot of Irish S&C coaches seem to have done.

itsallaboutheL

Msc sports performance in limerick citaaaay

Hammar

Hanley wrote: »

Who knows about them, who’s done them, who’s thinking of doing them?!

Just doing some provisional research on what’s out there for 2012. Ireland or UK considered…

Thinking of doing the MSc in Strength and Conditioning at the University of Edinburgh starting September/October 2012.
Its a great City and from what ive been told by one person who has done the course, it is very good.
MSc in Exercise Physiology or MSc in Sports Science at the University of Loughborough are my other favoured options,as its school of sport and exercise sciences are supposed to be excellent.
Also considering the MSc in Sports and Exercise Management in UCD as another option.

cc87

I was looking at the Strength & conditioning MSc in edinburgh university but after talking to a few people who went through, they said they wouldnt recommend it as it was just going over what was covered in their undergrad, just with a more research orientated focus.

One of them recommended the s&c MSc correspondence course that edith cowan university offer, as you can complete it while working.

UL also offer one in Sports Performance but i dont have much info on it as its a new course i think

g'em

Hanley wrote: »

Who knows about them, who’s done them, who’s thinking of doing them?!

Just doing some provisional research on what’s out there for 2012. Ireland or UK considered…

There's going to be an MSc in S&C in DCU starting in the forseeable future - I know no details about it unfortunately but it's one to keep an eye out for.

cc87

Banks wrote: »

What u lookin for exactly? An accounting, Ex phys, S&C Msc??:D

Trinity offer an Msc in Exercise physiology, other than that ur onto UK or Edith Cowan in Australia which alot of Irish S&C coaches seem to have done.

I know a few people that have done trinitys exercise physiology masters and they wouldnt recommend it at all, very outdated they said

DCU is looking at bringing in a taught masters in exercise physiology in the next 2 or 3 years, nothings finalised yet though

Banks

Has anyone completed th sports performance Msc in UL, or know anyone who done it?? Cost, quality etc?? Have heard great reports from numerous people who completed the Msc Edith Cowan. Although the price is crazy!!

g'em

taught MSc's in science related fields are crazy prices across the board tbh. You're looking at ~ €6,000 - €9,000 for a one year taught course in TCD or UCD anyway

mushykeogh

doing the Msc in exercise physiology in trinity, facilities not great but cant fault most of the course. Heard disappointing reports about the Msc in edith cowan. Think ive heard different opinions on every Msc in s & c in the uk! Most Msc usually cost about 7500 a year.

metamorphosis

ULs Msc in Sorts Perf is not open to applications until June - it starts for the first time next January. Cirriculum looks good

cc87

Banks wrote: »

Has anyone completed th sports performance Msc in UL, or know anyone who done it?? Cost, quality etc?? Have heard great reports from numerous people who completed the Msc Edith Cowan. Although the price is crazy!!

Full-time is €5950 and part time €4465

http://www.ul.ie/finance/docs/PROVISIONALPOSTGRADUATEFEESCHEDULE1112.pdf

SanoVitae

Hanley wrote: »

Who knows about them, who’s done them, who’s thinking of doing them?!

Just doing some provisional research on what’s out there for 2012. Ireland or UK considered…

Won't this all interfere with your burgeoning career in modelling?

SanoVitae

PM sent btw

Banks

cc87 wrote: »

Full-time is €5950 and part time €4465

http://www.ul.ie/finance/docs/PROVISIONALPOSTGRADUATEFEESCHEDULE1112.pdf

Do you reckon the part time fee is for 2 years or 4465 x 2???

Banks

mushykeogh wrote: »

doing the Msc in exercise physiology in trinity, facilities not great but cant fault most of the course. Heard disappointing reports about the Msc in edith cowan. Think ive heard different opinions on every Msc in s & c in the uk! Most Msc usually cost about 7500 a year.

Facilities as in the testing equipment etc?? Wat were the bad reports on Edith cowan??? Would love to know cause all i've heard were positives.

Thanks

Banks

cc87 wrote: »

I was looking at the Strength & conditioning MSc in edinburgh university but after talking to a few people who went through, they said they wouldnt recommend it as it was just going over what was covered in their undergrad, just with a more research orientated focus.

One of them recommended the s&c MSc correspondence course that edith cowan university offer, as you can complete it while working.

UL also offer one in Sports Performance but i dont have much info on it as its a new course i think

Oh I have the majority of lectures from the Msc at Edinburgh (friend of friend completed course) and like u said its pretty dated and similar to my undergrad!!

Hanley

Loughborough.... assuming one doesn't have a science background, but does have a CSCS qualification and a first class honours degree from an unrelated field, who would you have to kill, suck off or bribe to have a shot at getting in?

Banks

Hanley wrote: »

Loughborough.... assuming one doesn't have a science background, but does have a CSCS qualification and a first class honours degree from an unrelated field, who would you have to kill, suck off or bribe to have a shot at getting in?

Would be a tough one to pull off!! Good luck with it!!

Donegal_11

In terms of sports science, Loughborough University is head and shoulders above the rest, it is one of the top sports universities in the world.

Their facilities are class, they are hosting the UK and Japanese Olympic teams next summer for the Olympics..

Extremely hard to get into, you would need to have a few strong references and obtain a 1:1 in ur undergrad degree..

cc87

g'em wrote: »

There's going to be an MSc in S&C in DCU starting in the forseeable future - I know no details about it unfortunately but it's one to keep an eye out for.

It will be starting in sept/oct 2012 but nothing is finalised about it yet, what format or modules, nothing yet.
Even if it will be S&C isnt known, just S&C will be part of it.
Its the first taught masters in that department in DCU

Hanley

cc87 wrote: »

It will be starting in sept/oct 2012 but nothing is finalised about it yet, what format or modules, nothing yet.
Even if it will be S&C isnt known, just S&C will be part of it.
Its the first taught masters in that department in DCU

Any update on this offering from DCU?

nbrady20009

Hanley wrote: »

cc87 wrote: »

It will be starting in sept/oct 2012 but nothing is finalised about it yet, what format or modules, nothing yet.
Even if it will be S&C isnt known, just S&C will be part of it.
Its the first taught masters in that department in DCU

Any update on this offering from DCU?

There is a fella called Brendan Egan who is lecturing up at UCD now and he completed his MSc and Phd at DCU I believe. I don't know exactly what he studied but he's teaching sports performance now so it should be relevant. He's a decent guy, would be worth sending him on an email.

cc87

Hanley wrote: »

Any update on this offering from DCU?

Havent heard anything new about it for a while, gimme a few days and ill email the lad i know working in that department and see what he says. As far as i know it may be leaning towards exercise and sports physiology rather than the more hands on training and coaching that the sports performance in UL would be

cc87

Hanley wrote: »

Any update on this offering from DCU?

Clinical Exercise Physiology is going to be the title of this programme. Wasn't able to find anything about course content, it should be released to the general public in the next few weeks

From what I could find out, its going to quite lab based

Hanley

cc87 wrote: »

Clinical Exercise Physiology is going to be the title of this programme. Wasn't able to find anything about course content, it should be released to the general public in the next few weeks

From what I could find out, its going to quite lab based

Awesome - very much appreciated. Looking like UL would be the best option. Anyone know how the placements work?

Banks

Hanley wrote: »

Awesome - very much appreciated. Looking like UL would be the best option. Anyone know how the placements work?

Only 50hrs required during semester 2.

Hanley

Banks wrote: »

Only 50hrs required during semester 2.

Do they organise them for you? Can you do more if you want etc etc?

Is it with pro teams/athletes under the guidance of exp'd guys?

Does it vary?

What colour boxers are you wearing?

Whoops. That's a lot of questions.

Banks

Hanley wrote: »

Do they organise them for you? Can you do more if you want etc etc?

Is it with pro teams/athletes under the guidance of exp'd guys?

Does it vary?

What colour boxers are you wearing?

Whoops. That's a lot of questions.

Orange Boxers!!

They have links with various organisations such as Munster rugby, Swim Ireland etc so it varys alot. They can link you up with them or you can get you own.

50hrs is all that is required but obviously the more the better!

danlen

http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/pgprospectus/courses/human-nutrition-public-health-sports.cfm

Has anyone researched this course before? Anyone with any experience of it?

What do people think of it as a course in general?

blah88

Bump. Couple of questions. Answers would be greatly appreciated.

- Anyone have more info on this MSc in DCU? As in Entry Requirements, course content etc. Can't see anything on the site anyway. I'd be interested in applying.

- I assume the Sports Performance MSc in Limerick is starting in January again in 2013, rather than this September? I'd love to do this course but wasn't accepted this year.

- How soon would I want to register for the CSCS exam in Limerick this July? Cut off for the early registration is June 1st. How limited are the places?

- I have a B.Sc in Arts from UCD. However, I have much more interest in the Sports/ Health/ S&C area. Are there any other courses that might be worth looking at (here or abroad)?. Preferably just 1 or two years as I feel I'm getting too old to go back and do a 3 or 4 year BSc.

- I'm working part-time, flexible hours at the moment. Are there any other courses/ certs I could look at getting under my belt in the meantime which might better my chances of getting accepted into a Masters in September?

P.M me if you don't want to keep bumping an old thread. Thanks.

Hanley

blah88 wrote: »

Bump. Couple of questions. Answers would be greatly appreciated.

- Anyone have more info on this MSc in DCU? As in Entry Requirements, course content etc. Can't see anything on the site anyway. I'd be interested in applying.

- I assume the Sports Performance MSc in Limerick is starting in January again in 2013, rather than this September? I'd love to do this course but wasn't accepted this year.

- How soon would I want to register for the CSCS exam in Limerick this July? Cut off for the early registration is June 1st. How limited are the places?

- I have a B.Sc in Arts from UCD. However, I have much more interest in the Sports/ Health/ S&C area. Are there any other courses that might be worth looking at (here or abroad)?. Preferably just 1 or two years as I feel I'm getting too old to go back and do a 3 or 4 year BSc.

- I'm working part-time, flexible hours at the moment. Are there any other courses/ certs I could look at getting under my belt in the meantime which might better my chances of getting accepted into a Masters in September?

P.M me if you don't want to keep bumping an old thread. Thanks.

UKSCA intro course in 3 weeks in Belfast could be a good shout. Plus I need someone to split hotel and travel costs with!!

If you look at any pro sports team in the UK, the UKSCA qualification is the one they want http://www.uksca.org.uk/uksca/common/home.asp

nice_guy80

Hanley wrote: »

UKSCA intro course in 3 weeks in Belfast could be a good shout. Plus I need someone to split hotel and travel costs with!!

If you look at any pro sports team in the UK, the UKSCA qualification is the one they want http://www.uksca.org.uk/uksca/common/home.asp

give me more details
i'm looking to do some courses in this area, but found Setanta college too pricey for me

cc87

If you have any interest in getting involved in rugby, the IRFU CCC course is worth looking into. Parts are rugby specific but it will give you a good bit of info that can be applied to any sport.
Plus its starting to get international recognition in rugby circles these days

http://www.irishrugby.ie/development/conditioning_course.php

This is a good course also...plus its recognised by the UKSCA

http://www.kg-elite-performance.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90&Itemid=59

Hanley

cc87 wrote: »

If you have any interest in getting involved in rugby, the IRFU CCC course is worth looking into. Parts are rugby specific but it will give you a good bit of info that can be applied to any sport.
Plus its starting to get international recognition in rugby circles these days

http://www.irishrugby.ie/development/conditioning_course.php

This is a perhaps a bit of an issue...

"In order to take part in the course coaches must be working with a rugby school or club or group of rugby players."

Suppose it's not that hard to work with "a group of rugby players" tho really!

cc87

Hanley wrote: »

This is a perhaps a bit of an issue...

"In order to take part in the course coaches must be working with a rugby school or club or group of rugby players."

Suppose it's not that hard to work with "a group of rugby players" tho really!

Ya i dont think thats something they worry too much about, once you even say you have some involvement i training them

The IRFU is the main group currently setting up the IRBs S&C program at the moment AFAIK
http://www.irbsandc.com/

mushykeogh

Hanley wrote: »

UKSCA intro course in 3 weeks in Belfast could be a good shout. Plus I need someone to split hotel and travel costs with!!

If you look at any pro sports team in the UK, the UKSCA qualification is the one they want http://www.uksca.org.uk/uksca/common/home.asp

Good intentions here Hanley but im not sure how much someone like you would gain from the intro workshops, it s pricey and i dont think you will come away with anything you didnt already know!

P.S. If anyone wants to talk about the accreditation exam, case study and practical exams just let me know.

Barry.Oglesby

mushykeogh wrote: »

Hanley wrote: »

UKSCA intro course in 3 weeks in Belfast could be a good shout. Plus I need someone to split hotel and travel costs with!!

If you look at any pro sports team in the UK, the UKSCA qualification is the one they want http://www.uksca.org.uk/uksca/common/home.asp

Good intentions here Hanley but im not sure how much someone like you would gain from the intro workshops, it s pricey and i dont think you will come away with anything you didnt already know!

P.S. If anyone wants to talk about the accreditation exam, case study and practical exams just let me know.

Talk to me about the accreditation exams please. Tilting between finally doing the cscs in July or going with the uksca. Cost, times, can cheat notes be written on the inside of a fake cast... That type of thing.

Hanley

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Talk to me about the accreditation exams please. Tilting between finally doing the cscs in July or going with the uksca. Cost, times, can cheat notes be written on the inside of a fake cast... That type of thing.

+1

mushykeogh

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Talk to me about the accreditation exams please. Tilting between finally doing the cscs in July or going with the uksca. Cost, times, can cheat notes be written on the inside of a fake cast... That type of thing.

CSCS - infinitely easier than uksca imo, no practical exam (well the practical is looking at video clips), familiar with the essentials of s&c book and your sorted. Still has a lot of weight/value in ireland but that is slipping and i expect it to slip damn fast.


UKSCA- Practical exam: demonstrate either a snatch/clean and back squat and answer questions about phases, etc.
Case study: What you did with an athlete, must show needs analysis, periodised plan, yearly, monthly, example of a gym session from each phase.
SAQ: they bring you into a room, show you a video clip of a sport( rugby, tennis, volleyball etc) the you go outside where you have some equipment, for me it was med balls, hurdles, tennis ball , cones and stuff, they give you a few minutes to come up with 2/3 drills relevant to the sport, one speed, one agility, one plyo. Asked about about sets , reps, ground contact per session etc.
MCQ: bloody tough one, heaps of multiple choice questions that were much harder than cscs! Fake cast essential for this one.

Originally they just had a weightlifting workshop, now they run a periodisation one and a saq one as well. Expensive but you also get cpd points for them as well so to remain accredited you will prob end up having to do them now and again.

Apologies for punctuation and spelling.

mushykeogh

I think the uksca have their own textbook due out before the end of the summer as well. Has a high failure rate apparently but i think that is largely due to PT's not familiar with lifts/periodisation etc rocking up thinking its easy to pass.

Gold standard in the UK and becoming increasingly recognised over here now, seen a few provincial internships which have it as a desirable.

Barry.Oglesby

MCQ/SAQ based on which texts?

Cost? I have many, many questions.

mushykeogh

MCQ/SAQ based on which texts?

They was a book by a guy called clive brewer that seemed to cover a lot of it, not sure if its still available. The saq would be covered by books by Chu on plyo and theres one called speed agility quickness by Brown and Ferringo?
The essentials book, periodisation by Bompa/Stone and Science and Practice of Strength Training would see you right i reckon. Maybe a physiology textbook in there as well!

[Cost? I have many, many questions.

250 sterling i think? A meeting with copious amounts of coffee and jaffa cakes may be the only solution here.

Each workshop is 250 sterling as well i think, or 200 if your a member.

Hanley

mushykeogh wrote: »

They was a book by a guy called clive brewer that seemed to cover a lot of it, not sure if its still available. The saq would be covered by books by Chu on plyo and theres one called speed agility quickness by Brown and Ferringo?
The essentials book, periodisation by Bompa/Stone and Science and Practice of Strength Training would see you right i reckon. Maybe a physiology textbook in there as well!


250 sterling i think? A meeting with copious amounts of coffee and jaffa cakes may be the only solution here.

Each workshop is 250 sterling as well i think, or 200 if your a member.

I've actually heard really good things about the workshops, that's kinda why I wanted to go. The foundation one may not be worth much, but the plyo one is meant to be good(?) and it's something I'd like to beef my knowledge up in.

mushykeogh

Hanley wrote: »

I've actually heard really good things about the workshops, that's kinda why I wanted to go. The foundation one may not be worth much, but the plyo one is meant to be good(?) and it's something I'd like to beef my knowledge up in.

havent done the plyo one so it may well be very good. Did the planning and programming one recently enough and it felt like a waste of money. That said, if you were going for the accreditation im sure some people would find it very good. Depends on your knowledge base i suppose but i wouldnt advocate the planning and programming one!

Barry.Oglesby

mushykeogh wrote: »

They was a book by a guy called clive brewer that seemed to cover a lot of it, not sure if its still available. The saq would be covered by books by Chu on plyo and theres one called speed agility quickness by Brown and Ferringo?
The essentials book, periodisation by Bompa/Stone and Science and Practice of Strength Training would see you right i reckon. Maybe a physiology textbook in there as well!

Have the Bompa, the Brown and Ferringo but not the Chu. I have alternative texts but the last thing you want to do is muddy the waters with some terminology difference.

250 sterling i think? A meeting with copious amounts of coffee and jaffa cakes may be the only solution here.

Deal. You bring the coffee, and you bring the jaffa cakes.

Swaying much more towards UKSCA since this conversation started.

David Jones

I could just hook you up with this one and online level 1!

http://www.irbsandc.com/index.php

You even get a pdf cert to print out!

I despair of S&C sometimes and rugby come to mention it.

mushykeogh

I have alternative texts but the last thing you want to do is muddy the waters with some terminology difference.

Shouldnt make a difference, the drills are pretty universal.

Deal. You bring the coffee, and you bring the jaffa cakes.

Such a gent.

cc87

David Jones wrote: »

I could just hook you up with this one and online level 1!

http://www.irbsandc.com/index.php

You even get a pdf cert to print out!

I despair of S&C sometimes and rugby come to mention it.

Or you could read it and see that the online test means nothing and there is still a day course you have to attend.

Its a very very basic course

David Jones

Or you could read it and see that the online test means nothing and there is still a day course you have to attend.

Its a very very basic course

Sarcasm still doesn't travel well on boards I see so just confirming thats what I was using.

UL_heart_throb

mushykeogh wrote: »

They was a book by a guy called clive brewer that seemed to cover a lot of it, not sure if its still available. The saq would be covered by books by Chu on plyo and theres one called speed agility quickness by Brown and Ferringo?
The essentials book, periodisation by Bompa/Stone and Science and Practice of Strength Training would see you right i reckon. Maybe a physiology textbook in there as well!


250 sterling i think? A meeting with copious amounts of coffee and jaffa cakes may be the only solution here.

Each workshop is 250 sterling as well i think, or 200 if your a member.

does anyone have any pdfs of those textbooks so i can flick through and see if they are worth getting, i might have the same content under a different name