Burials/Squashes

drayme

starviewadams wrote: »

Yeah but it's not even ''two faces wrestle to find out who's best'' he's being used as a set up guy in the Cara/Chavo feud,basically as a glorified jobber,ie Tyson Kidd territory.Had no problem with Sheamo beating Bryan last week because at least there was a bit of back story to that.

WWE makes no sense sometimes,no talent muscle guys like Ezekiel Jackson get a push and a guy like Danielson gets treated like crap for having the audacity to have been popular before he entered the ''WWE Universe''.

Please dont do this.

Daniel Bryan was wrestling WWE's next main player cut the glorified jobber crap.

WWE makes perfect sense WWE has ALWAYS preferred to push big guys.

starviewadams

Don't do what?

Danielson hasn't had a feud since Miz and has been booked to lose in his first two appearances on SD,I don't have much of a problem with him losing to Sheamus because at least that makes a bit of sense,but I can't see whats to be gained from him losing to Ultimo Dragon Version 2,also he's the only wrestler that is openly buried on commentary during every match that he's featured in.

jmolloy

sin cara v bryan was my favourite tv match of the year and shows how versatile bryan is and that finisher sweet jesus only 2 or 3 in wwe could do that as well. great match, forwarded the chavo v cara feud, bit worried bryan has no one to go after but matches like that will speak for themself

drayme

starviewadams wrote: »

Don't do what?

Danielson hasn't had a feud since Miz and has been booked to lose in his first two appearances on SD,I don't have much of a problem with him losing to Sheamus because at least that makes a bit of sense,but I can't see whats to be gained from him losing to Ultimo Dragon Version 2,also he's the only wrestler that is openly buried on commentary during every match that he's featured in.

Beyond petulant and childish.

dsmythy

starviewadams wrote: »

Don't do what?

Danielson hasn't had a feud since Miz and has been booked to lose in his first two appearances on SD,I don't have much of a problem with him losing to Sheamus because at least that makes a bit of sense,but I can't see whats to be gained from him losing to Ultimo Dragon Version 2,also he's the only wrestler that is openly buried on commentary during every match that he's featured in.

Being buried by a heel commentator is nothing. Also Sin Cara will be a bigger entertainment star than Danielson. If he wants to be a wrestling star then he's in the wrong company.

Machismo Fan

starviewadams wrote: »

Danielson hasn't had a feud since Miz and has been booked to lose in his first two appearances on SD,I don't have much of a problem with him losing to Sheamus because at least that makes a bit of sense,but I can't see whats to be gained from him losing to Ultimo Dragon Version 2,also he's the only wrestler that is openly buried on commentary during every match that he's featured in.

He's not being buried but he's fallen into the role of the guy they use to make other people look good, which can go either way for him (though odds are he'll be stuck there for quite a while).

dsmythy wrote: »

Being buried by a heel commentator is nothing. Also Sin Cara will be a bigger entertainment star than Danielson. If he wants to be a wrestling star then he's in the wrong company.

drayme

dsmythy wrote: »

Being buried by a heel commentator is nothing.

I missed the use of the b word there, good grief.

I guess people dont understand wrestling too. Heels are meant to say mean things about the babyfaces.

starviewadams

I can't see Cara being a big star,most of the top guys in the WWE won't be able to take his finisher and he can't speak English,when the time comes for him to have a proper feud with somebody credible I think he will be exposed.I understand wrestling perfectly well,I've been an avid fan for 15 years,nobody is buried to the extent that Bryan is on commentary.

drayme

starviewadams wrote: »

I understand wrestling perfectly well,I've been an avid fan for 15 years,nobody is buried to the extent that Bryan is on commentary.

There is that b word again.

Bobby Heenan sure did bury Tito Santana then too by that logic.

GTR63

starviewadams wrote: »

I can't see Cara being a big star,most of the top guys in the WWE won't be able to take his finisher and he can't speak English,when the time comes for him to have a proper feud with somebody credible I think he will be exposed.I understand wrestling perfectly well,I've been an avid fan for 15 years,nobody is buried to the extent that Bryan is on commentary.

I agree with you about Sin Cara,he needs to learn even basic English to get to be a main eventer. Bryan is just getting bullied commentary I know Cole as a Heel has to target faces but with Bryan he's relentless.Funny the way Cole seems to not pick on Cena/Orton that'd be too easy as CM Punk proved with his observational promos earlier this year.

DM_7

Well I avoided the Spoilers and it worked out pretty well.

I enjoyed the show again this week, I was delighted to see Sheamus in the main event, it should be a good sign for his Smackdown Future.

Lord TSC

I find the problem with the commentry and Bryan is that, unlike others, the reasons brought up by the heel commentators are legit. He is a bit of a dork with no personality and a dodgy look, and these things should not be pointed out, even by the heel commentators.

A heel commentator should be making stuff up about the face or attacking him for things that people can actually rally behind. They should not be pointing out legit weaknesses...

flahavaj

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I find the problem with the commentry and Bryan is that, unlike others, the reasons brought up by the heel commentators are legit. He is a bit of a dork with no personality and a dodgy look, and these things should not be pointed out, even by the heel commentators.

A heel commentator should be making stuff up about the face or attacking him for things that people can actually rally behind. They should not be pointing out legit weaknesses...

I think he's shown far more personality in WWE than most people had given him credit for tbh.

Machismo Fan

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

He is a bit of a dork with no personality and a dodgy look, and these things should not be pointed out, even by the heel commentators.

flahavaj wrote: »

I think he's shown far more personality in WWE than most people had given him credit for tbh.

You see this is the thing with burying him on commentary, Cole has said he's a dork with no personality so many times that people believe it to be true because being honest anytime he has been given a microphone he's shown tons more personality than the majority of the WWE roster.

drayme

Machismo Fan wrote: »

You see this is the thing with burying him on commentary, Cole has said he's a dork with no personality so many times that people believe it to be true because being honest anytime he has been given a microphone he's shown tons more personality than the majority of the WWE roster.

This hurts my head doesnt what you just said prove my point Cole is just being a heel and Bryan the babyface is proving him wrong?

There's that b word again.

drayme

There needs to be a boards.ie Wrestling terminology guide as I cant keep up.

So buried here means: when something bad or which is perceived to be bad happens to a wrestler a poster likes.

Just so I understand?

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

You see this is the thing with burying him on commentary, Cole has said he's a dork with no personality so many times that people believe it to be true because being honest anytime he has been given a microphone he's shown tons more personality than the majority of the WWE roster.

I can't believe we have a true heel commentator for the first time since JBL and people are moaning. Heenan used to point out things all the time about Hogan that made perfect sense, but no one took him at face value. Cole's character is so over the top heelish at this stage that your run of the mill WWE fan doesn't take anything he says at face value. Your average WWE fan sees Cole as that moron that keeps interrupting RAW to read out annoying e mails and who comes to the ring dressed in bubble wrap to wrestle JR. They realise he's a ridiculpus charachter who makes ridiculpous claims. To think they're actually listening to him say Danielson has no personality and thinking to themselves "God, yeah, the self proclaimed Mr Wrestlemania is making a very reasonable point here" is absolutely ludicrous.

Its needless nit-picking to say he's burying Danielson. The fact that a major character (and Cole is a major heel in WWE now btw) goes out of his way to slate Danielson makes Danielson look a bigger deal simply by default. Its a ver very good thing for him that he gets such a hard time from Cole, not a bad thing.

Machismo Fan

drayme wrote: »

This hurts my head doesnt what you just said prove my point Cole is just being a heel and Bryan the babyface is proving him wrong?

There's that b word again.

No because two posts above mine showed an example of people believing what their told even though it's not really true (and there are a lot more people out there aswell), and Bryan's proved nobody wrong since he's done absolutely nothing worth mentioning since October last year and anybody that can't recognise that is denial. And burying is the only word possible to describe Cole's tirades against Bryan.

And this idea that 'heels say bad things about faces' and vice versa is one of the worst things that's come into modern wrestling. Both heels and faces should treat each other as huge stars that are worth beating because if you talk down a guy and he beats you you look like an idiot, and if you beat him you beat a nobody. People forget that in wrestling, perception is reality.

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

No because two posts above mine showed an example of people believing what their told even though it's not really true (and there are a lot more people out there aswell), and Bryan's proved nobody wrong since he's done absolutely nothing worth mentioning since October last year and anybody that can't recognise that is denial. And burying is the only word possible to describe Cole's tirades against Bryan.

And this idea that 'heels say bad things about faces' and vice versa is one of the worst things that's come into modern wrestling. Both heels and faces should treat each other as huge stars that are worth beating because if you talk down a guy and he beats you you look like an idiot, and if you beat him you beat a nobody. People forget that in wrestling, perception is reality.

This is a mentality that has contributed in no small part to the blurring of the face heel divide in wrestling in the modern era. Faces should be faces and heels should be heels. Mick Foley always saud that the best heel promos were one shat you actually believed were true, you could really get into what you were saying and comes across as believeable.

drayme

Machismo Fan wrote: »

No because two posts above mine showed an example of people believing what their told even though it's not really true (and there are a lot more people out there aswell), and Bryan's proved nobody wrong since he's done absolutely nothing worth mentioning since October last year and anybody that can't recognise that is denial. And burying is the only word possible to describe Cole's tirades against Bryan.

And this idea that 'heels say bad things about faces' and vice versa is one of the worst things that's come into modern wrestling. Both heels and faces should treat each other as huge stars that are worth beating because if you talk down a guy and he beats you you look like an idiot, and if you beat him you beat a nobody. People forget that in wrestling, perception is reality.

Sorry to be this dismissive but I seriously dont know where to start.

It isnt a modern idea at all. I am facepalming here. I guess I dreamt Gary Hart calling Fritz Von Erich horse face.

Machismo Fan

drayme wrote: »

There needs to be a boards.ie Wrestling terminology guide as I cant keep up.

So buried here means: when something bad or which is perceived to be bad happens to a wrestler a poster likes.

Just so I understand?

Being honest, I was never really a Bryan, but Cole's rants went far, far beyond a heel commentator and Cole was proven right because Bryan lost pretty much every match he had on NXT. Cole said he was a loser and he was right, and that's all fans saw. It was a complete burial.

flahavaj wrote: »

I can't believe we have a true heel commentator for the first time since JBL and people are moaning. Heenan used to point out things all the time about Hogan that made perfect sense, but no one took him at face value. Cole's character is so over the top heelish at this stage that your run of the mill WWE fan doesn't take anything he says at face value. Your average WWE fan sees Cole as that moron that keeps interrupting RAW to read out annoying e mails and who comes to the ring dressed in bubble wrap to wrestle JR. They realise he's a ridiculpus charachter who makes ridiculpous claims. To think they're actually listening to him say Danielson has no personality and thinking to themselves "God, yeah, the self proclaimed Mr Wrestlemania is making a very reasonable point here" is absolutely ludicrous.

But you have an example of people spouting out the nonsense that Cole says in this very thread. The problem is Cole is the lead play by play guy and anytime he says something stupid and Booker, Lawler or Matthews call him on it, he shouts them down to the extent that they can never properly put the guy who Cole is shouting about over and the fans are just left with what Cole says.

flahavaj wrote: »

This is a mentality that has contributed in no small part to the blurring of the face heel divide in wrestling in the modern era. Faces should be faces and heels should be heels. Mick Foley always saud that the best heel promos were one shat you actually believed were true, you could really get into what you were saying and comes across as believeable.

Not really, a really good heel doesn't need to put down him opponent to get heat, there's an infinite number of other ways to be a heel than mocking the face.

drayme wrote: »

Sorry to be this dismissive but I seriously dont know where to start.

It isnt a modern idea at all. I am facepalming here. I guess I dreamt Gary Hart calling Fritz Von Erich horse face.

It's always been around but it became much more prevalent since the attitude era. It became more important to be funny rather than sell a match or feud.

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

But you have an example of people spouting out the nonsense that Cole says in this very thread. The problem is Cole is the lead play by play guy and anytime he says something stupid and Booker, Lawler or Matthews call him on it, he shouts them down to the extent that they can never properly put the guy who Cole is shouting about over and the fans are just left with what Cole says.

From what I know of Teamshadoclan he's a smart enough a fan to have come to the conclusion about Danislson based on what he's seen and not what Michael Cole's outrageous character tells him. As for the others, they're all muck commentators at this stage, Cole needs someone decent beside him alright but that doesn't mean people are gonna take his schtick at face value either.

Not really, a really good heel doesn't need to put down him opponent to get heat, there's an infinite number of other ways to be a heel than mocking the face.

Nonetheless its probably the most effective modus operansi for a character like Cole. Talking sh*t about people and pointing out things that might even be true has been a legit heel tactic since year dot. As I said earlier its ludicrous to think that people would take what a farcical character like Cole would say at face value.

gimmick

Split from the SD results thread. Good points being discussed which may get missed if they stayed put in the SD thread.

drayme

I think we are straying from the original point I was making which is why do people misuse/overuse the word buried on here. I like the board but it is one of more annoying aspects (besides me moaning about it).

If Bryan as buried as much as people say he is he would have struck the earth's core by now. WWE put in him key positions in making two of their top stars for the future look really good in competitive matches.

I get the fanboy or mark aspect of wanting him to do well but in Daniel Bryan's specific case I dont know why some people are offended on his behalf. He is one of the most if not the most come what may, happy go lucky wrestlers ever. Two years ago he was this close to jacking Wrestling in all together. This isnt Jericho trying to break through the glass ceiling or Benoit, Eddy or Rey breaking the size barrier. He isnt injecting steroids and growth hormone in order to win a title. WWE is largely a gig for him.

jaykhunter

IMO.....

If a heel runs a face down, but if it's not leading anywhere (i.e. so the face isn't going to defend himself/prove the heel wrong) then it is a burial of sorts. Now the phrase is probably overused in offhand comments (like Triple H 'burying the locker-room' in his speech with the Undertaker) because it should really be reserved for long-term 'burials' (eg Umaga's treatment in the last 6 months on his WWE career; losing constantly)

There's nothing wrong with a heel running a face down if the face can give it right back or will prove the heel wrong....but if someone just highlights the flaws of a character, and that's it, it's a burial.

I'd class Cole's commentary about Bryan post-their NXT feud (them interacting) as a burial. I get it's putting Cole over as a heel but if Bryan's never going to 'call' Cole on then it serves no purpose, it just negatively impacts Bryan. I don't think it's right for a heel to run down every face on the roster thinking that gets him over. It cheapens his heel heat (by being unfocused) and damages wrestlers who he doesn't interact with.

It's probably why this kind of vindictive heel commentator hasn't ever been used before.

What did calling Tyson Kidd/David Hart boring do for their career? They just took it and moved onto Superstars!

Anyway, my 2 cents...

flahavaj

jaykhunter wrote: »

IMO.....

If a heel runs a face down, but if it's not leading anywhere (i.e. so the face isn't going to defend himself/prove the heel wrong) then it is a burial of sorts. Now the phrase is probably overused in offhand comments (like Triple H 'burying the locker-room' in his speech with the Undertaker) because it should really be reserved for long-term 'burials' (eg Umaga's treatment in the last 6 months on his WWE career; losing constantly)

There's nothing wrong with a heel running a face down if the face can give it right back or will prove the heel wrong....but if someone just highlights the flaws of a character, and that's it, it's a burial.

I'd class Cole's commentary about Bryan post-their NXT feud (them interacting) as a burial. I get it's putting Cole over as a heel but if Bryan's never going to 'call' Cole on then it serves no purpose, it just negatively impacts Bryan. I don't think it's right for a heel to run down every face on the roster thinking that gets him over. It cheapens his heel heat (by being unfocused) and damages wrestlers who he doesn't interact with.

It's probably why this kind of vindictive heel commentator hasn't ever been used before.

What did calling Tyson Kidd/David Hart boring do for their career? They just took it and moved onto Superstars!

Anyway, my 2 cents...

Bobby Heenan?

drayme

Good post:

jaykhunter wrote: »

What did calling Tyson Kidd/David Hart boring do for their career? They just took it and moved onto Superstars!

But David Hart Smith does lack charisma. That and they DIED on their arse in the announce booth. Also WWE institutionally has it in for Canadians as they are typecast as lacking in charisma and poor interviews unless proven otherwise.

jaykhunter

flahavaj wrote: »

Bobby Heenan?

Ha, his heel stuff was comedy, though. All cheap jokes and one-liners, none of the hard-nosed damnation that Cole has :P I'd class Heenan in the same boat as "1997" Jerry Lawler where he'd be heel but provide disposable 'comedy' heel stuff, nothing with actual bitterness/hatred/"storyline heat" if that makes any sense.

It is a slim line to cross though, between talking about the wrestlers at hand and providing comedy, but not taking away from the match. I imagine if a commentator tried Heenan's schtick today he'd be admonished for trying to get himself over. It's a curious one alright!

Lord TSC

From what I know of Teamshadoclan he's a smart enough a fan to have come to the conclusion about Danislson based on what he's seen and not what Michael Cole's outrageous character tells him. As for the others, they're all muck commentators at this stage, Cole needs someone decent beside him alright but that doesn't mean people are gonna take his schtick at face value either.

Oh yeah. Let me set this straight. DB is in my top five at the moment. Probably top 3 at a push. But then I'm a "smark" so what the commentators say doesn't sway me in the slightest. The important thing is what do marks think? What do those who didn't know of his ROH stuff know of DB? Cause they are the ones who spend the real money and who are the lucrative market to WWE.

However, sticking with the Cole/Bryan example, Cole did bury Bryan on NXT and that was before he was actually a fully fledged heel. Back when he was destroying Bryan's character originally, he was supposed to be a face; the only thing heelish about him was his destruction of DB's character. With all the other faces and heels, he played the face. For the casual mark then, who believes everything they are told, what were they to think? Here was the "trusted" face commentator telling us what a loser some guy was, and worse, he was right; Bryan was a loser. How do you get behind that?

I don't think he's being "buried" at the moment. He's tragically misused and has done nothing but lose for months now. I'd worry he's verging into jobber territory but he's not there yet. Much like Jericho and Punk, he's good at making people look good, so loses. It's just that, to me, a good heel commentator should be attacking faces for the qualities people can get behind. In other words, saying things like "He's a nerd", or "He's too nice" are the type of things people might identify with and thus get behind. Saying "he's a loser" and then having him lose just makes casual fans think he's a loser, and thus they won't bother caring about him. Why would they? What has DB done in the last six months to make fans care?

Likewise with DH Smith. If you point out how boring someone is, why should the fans care? A heel commentator should attack the faces but not with genuine problems. That just hurts the face. The heel commentator should be setting up the faces to prove them wrong and give the fans a reason to give a damn about them. At the very least, they need a strong face commentator to back the likes of DB up, and convince people why they SHOULD get behind them. Cause all were getting at the moment is why they shouldn't care, while no face commentator has been able to scratch Cole. Even JR and King have seemed lost in Cole's pressence and it's hurting the entire product now.

It's Paul Heyman's philosophy. (Paraphrased cause I can't spell the words he used :P). Bring out the positives. Hide the negatives.

There's nothing wrong with a heel running a face down if the face can give it right back or will prove the heel wrong....but if someone just highlights the flaws of a character, and that's it, it's a burial.

Quote for truth.

glenjamin

It definitely is a burial of sorts. This all began back in NXT with the whole Cole/Bryan/Miz feud. Cole kept burying Bryan on commentary for losing every week and Miz was giving Bryan loads of stick for it too. Then there was that inring confrontation between Bryan and Cole which resulted in Bryan chasing Cole round the ring and beating on him. But just when the Miz/Bryan feud should have kicked into top gear the NXT invasion thing happened instead and we all know what happened to Bryan there. Eventually when Bryan came back he ended up winning the US title from Miz on Raw (should have been a PPV climax), thus ending the feud and proving Miz and Cole wrong for ever doubting him. Instead almost a year later Bryan is just another guy on Smackdown and Cole continues to berate him on commentary for being a loser. This does nothing for Bryan's character especially since he already proved Cole wrong once before. I didn't expect Cole to apologise to Bryan or stop with the nerd comments but there's no need for the constant loser jibes. Bryan won the feud and will not be feuding with Cole again so why have Cole continue to put him down so much? All it does is make the fans question ''Is Daniel Bryan really a loser?''. And at the moment yes he is

Ridley

While I think Cole needs to reel it back in a bit sometimes, I would say the 'dangerous' commentary (these metaphors doing anything for ya?) in the Bryan/Sin Cara match was Booker T saying he thought Sin Cara was going to win regardless of Guerrero's interference. When Bryan's on the offensive.

Wouldn't really call it a burial though. In an ideal world, Bryan would have his own storyline going on aswell, along with all the roster, but for his Smackdown career thus far he's been relied upon to help Sheamus in week one (which led to the main event last week) and Sin Cara's fued with Chavo last week. Going down to two Brogue Kicks in a competitive match and losing due to interference in a competitive match isn't a bad thing for him.

It's stuff like that which is why I think Smackdown's usually the better show. I doubt the majority agree with Michael Cole anyway. I'd like him to be a pro on NXT.

DM_7

Daniel Bryan was not buried on NXT.

He was the only guy introduced on NXT with a storyline.

The storyline involved Bryan, His Pro the Miz and Cole.

Bryan had his first match against the World Heavyweight Champion.

Over the next few weeks Cole talked **** about Bryan. The Miz kept running him down, attacking him, trying to get him into matches he had little chance of winning.

Post elimination from NXT, Bryan stood up for himself by smacking the head off Cole and beating up Miz, then beating Miz live on RAW before throwing him straight into Cole.

Considering Bryan beat Cole up I am surprised anyone is surprised by Cole continuing to say bad things about him.

The Cole, Miz, Danielson Angle was designed to get Danielson Over with fans who knew nothing about him. The Stroyline would have worked only it got side stepped when WWE came up with a bigger storyline for him, The Nexus.

We all know what happened then, but I am certain the Nexus angle with Danielson as a part of it would have helped him no end.

Then In August he got a great return at Summerslam before getting thrown back into a feud with The Miz.

From September to March he was the US Champion.

Then in April he got a Draft to Smackdown.

For a guy only in WWE for 13 of the last 15 months he has done pretty well.

jaykhunter

I completely agree with everything except the last line, sure Bryan was the star of NXT S1.

DM-ICE wrote: »

From September to March he was the US Champion. Then in April he got a Draft to Smackdown. For a guy only in WWE for 13 of the last 15 months he has done pretty well.

From being featured prominently on NXT S1, then the unfortunate tie business de-railed him for a bit, he won the US title pretty sharpish from Miz, and he had WWE.com's joint MOTY with Ziggler at Bragging Rights. His last PPV match in WWE was curtain-jerking with DiBiase at Survivor Series over FIVE MONTHS ago!! (The Rumble doesn't count because everyone's in it)

It's great that Danielson had the US title (unfortunately, a title that means absolutely nothing) for so long but he was not featured in the slightest. Even facing 2-time former WWE champion Sheamus, he could only get a dark match at Mania, and not at all at Extreme Rules.

I wouldn't class WWE as burying Danielson, they just have absolutely nothing for him and don't want to push him.

flahavaj

I think people have been spoiled by how well Bryan did initially in his WWE run. Tbh him getting the secondary titles and the focus on him during NXT far exceeded any expecattions I had of him as a long-time fan of his. I thought he'd be left on Superstars, or jobbing in three minute squashes to Khali to be perfectly honest, considering his size and unremarkable look.

He's still exceeding my expectations to be getting decent length TV matches every week. If he settles into his current niche of getting nice longsih matches as a talent that makes people look good he'll carve out a nice little career for himself. People expecting a guy like him to be constantly given prominent feuds and storylines are being widly optimistic IMHO. He's probably seen by management as a Dean Malenko or Jamie Noble kind of talent, and in hat light he's getting far more exposure than those guys ever did really.

thebostoncrab

It makes perfect sense for Cole to run down Daniel post their feud, he still doesn't like the guy, who should he praise him?

I doubt any fan watching will agree with Cole anyway. Yes some fans here yes that Bryan is abit of a dork, but that has been something he goes by in the WWE, not just Cole. But every time he comes out he gets praised for his skills as a wrestler, even from Cole. In no way shape or form is Bryan getting buried every week.

I agree with Flah, we were spoiled by how much Bryan was featured in his first run. Alot of it was a case of right place right time. If he was kept in the midcard and not given as much lime light, I wonder would we be having this discussion? What am I saying,of course we would, because if a talented wrestler is on the midcard people will scream that he isn't being used correctly.

One thing I have noticed in my 20+ years in watching wrestling is that the cream will always rise to the top in the WWE. Give Bryan time. Edge wasn't headling PPVs the first year of his career, either did The Rock, or Stone Cold. Hell not even John Cena! Bryans WWE career has just begun, so enjoy the matches he puts on now and don't get caught up with if he wins or looses, because his time will come.

GTR63

At the moment Bryan is going nowhere but as long as they don't job him to Cole he ain't buried.Actually watched a old rumble last nite Miz was eliminated by Hornswoggle,amazing that Miz was main eventing just 3 years later...could of done without seeing Piper & Snuka trading blows.Piper was bare chested which wasn't a smart move.

jaykhunter

flah and thebostoncrab wrote:

we were spoiled by how much Bryan was featured in his first run.

This truth makes me sad - we get "spoiled" by good booking instead of the usual boring Cena/Orton tripe. Like that we expect mediocrity and jump with joy at something half-decent. Fúck's sake! Combine this with feuds that never end (they just peter out) No wonder wrestling is in the toilet.

Sirsok

GTR63 wrote: »

At the moment Bryan is going nowhere but as long as they don't job him to Cole he ain't buried.Actually watched a old rumble last nite Miz was eliminated by Hornswoggle,amazing that Miz was main eventing just 3 years later...could of done without seeing Piper & Snuka trading blows.Piper was bare chested which wasn't a smart move.

Exactly and got a lapdance from big dick johnson...and now is arguably one of the biggest stars they got...wwe could bury someone many times and then in the space o 6 months turn them into a viable title contender i believe.......tv audiences have short attention spans.....Great Khali was rappin with snoop and doin kisscams and now they seem to wanna turn him serious again. People can come back from a burial if WWE wanna do it.....i heard on a site before that they bury certain people just to test their character and desire before they wanna push them?

jaykhunter

Something I was thinking about today.

Of course it doesn't affect our mentality and how we view Daniel Bryan (Cole's constant tongue-lashing), but it does negatively impact the casual fan's/marks opinions of a wrestler. WWE do a very good job of beating home little phrases and nuances until it bores into people's head; so when you think of certain people or things, it comes to mind straight away.

So what do the casuals think immediately when they think of a particular wrestler?

Del Rio : My destiny; mexican aristocrat; expensive cars; wink
Orton : Viper; punt; heel but face; RKO outta nowhere
Miz : Awesome. Must-see champion.
now....

Bryan : Nerd. Dork. No personality. Virgin/vegan.


Some of this is promo work, some booking, most by commentary. The commentators play a pivotal role in getting a character over, and in this sense, they've really buried Daniel Bryan. They've highlighted his biggest weakness (his personality) and completely denigrated the fact that he's one of the best wrestlers on the planet.

Just imagine if JR/King started burying Chris Benoit this hard when he came to the WWF in 2000.

Anyway, just food for thought

drayme

Smackdown spoiler

5. Daniel Bryan beat Chavo Guerrero. A five minute match. Sin Cara came out and hit a huracanrana on Chavo after the match. It looked like they were setting up Sin Cara vs. Chavo for Over The Limit.

:P