how to stop this????

chiefwiggum

what can the f.a,uefa,or fifa do to stamp down on intimidation of officials...im bloody sick of it...all the surrounding of refs and linesmen,the waving of invisable cards and constant questioning of officials..barca and real really ruined a game i couldnt wait to watch...if vidic approached somebody on the street like he approached the linesman today against blackburn he would be lifted by the police foraggressive behavior(i do hate united but it was a stonewall peno and well done to them again on number 19,cant argue with that)
could the authorities maybe look at rugby and bring in a rule where only captains can talk to the ref(and not the way vidic did today)
if refs where to start brandishing yellow cards for dissent surely this would help(would also need good common sense from officials)
i really think this is affecting the game more and more and makes my blood boil every time
rant over......

and again congratulations to united once again
(hopefully they put in a few tackles against barca and show them what a real tackle really feels like)

Turtyturd

Dunno how it can be stamped other than booking players every time they do it and make them learn the hard way. I think the problem is that games would be abondoned with players being sent off.

Every team has their culprits but Vidic and Ferdinand today was sickening.

Always hate seeing Giggs doing it, for a player who I admire and is a model professional in many ways it is annoying to see him do that.

IvySlayer

FIFAs too busy banning snoods to deal with this atm.

Essien

If the authorities introduced a ban on it and the ref started booking every player who he felt was being overzealous in his protests then I'm sure players wouldn't be long about cutting it out.

Helix

yup, like the above posters said all it needs is the refs to grow some balls worldwide for about 3 weeks in succession

make it clear before the game that once players are asked to go away only the captain of each team can talk to the ref. if players continue to surround him, he should book every single one of them. you'd have a few games abandoned, and huge fines dished out, but they'd learn quick enough

chiefwiggum

Turtyturd wrote: »

Dunno how it can be stamped other than booking players every time they do it and make them learn the hard way. I think the problem is that games would be abondoned with players being sent off.

Every team has their culprits but Vidic and Ferdinand today was sickening.

Always hate seeing Giggs doing it, for a player who I admire and is a model professional in many ways it is annoying to see him do that.

true but if a team go down to say nine men against a well behaved team and get spanked 4 or 5 nil they would be fairly quick to keep there mouths shut especially considering how close some positions are.. in other words sending off for teams going for the league or relegation would really count and so their teams would suffer

john terry is another culprit
wouldnt you love to see a linesman chin him just as he's running up shouting and swearing:D:D

DeVore

In Basketball, if you so much as look sideways at a ref (and I mean that quite literally, if you look at them a bit strange after a call against your team), they can do everything up to send you straight off and adjust the score as they see fit.

Consequently no one questions anything and this sort of thing doesnt happen.


I dont know why refs put up with it, one red card and they would all go scurrying and they would all be instructed to NOT do that by their managers you can bet!!
As it is, if they have no fear of the ref they will have no respect for him.

DeV.

gustavo

Doubt the English FA can do much about Barca and Real tbh

Essien

gustavo wrote: »

Doubt the English FA can do much about Barca and Real tbh

Hence the mention of FIFA and UEFA in the OP.

PCPhoto

why not create a 6ft exclusion zone - no player except captain in permitted within that area of a referee/linesman/assistant ref (whatever you want to call them)

Any abuse over a decision .... a mark goes in the book (similar to GAA) ... any subsequent abuse, yellow card.... then.... red.

if managers cant control their players or teach them how to play the game fairly we should punish the club (any club found guilty of improper conduct ...ie obvious playacting/diving - docked 3points....cameras are almost everywhere in soccer these days and sometimes clearly show a hand went across the chest but the player falls down like he's been smacked in the face or shot by a sniper in the crowd)

#15

DeVore wrote: »

In Basketball, if you so much as look sideways at a ref (and I mean that quite literally, if you look at them a bit strange after a call against your team), they can do everything up to send you straight off

Heh, could you imagine having technical fouls in soccer? I'd love that, it would end the bolloxing straight away.

argosy2006

Drop pts from club who offends,
Easy answer , 1/2 pt drop for harassing refs or lines people
which is giving back to club, if the go ten games with out going it again,
Drop them another 1/2 pt if the offend with in ten games, or after.
If punishment affects club and not player then its something that would work,
Send player off?, who cares, Always someone else to step in,

chiefwiggum

you would expect managers to set an example but it doesnt happen....mr ferguson sets a woeful example for the players but every game you watch when theres a big decision the camera's always shoot over to the mangaer giving the poor fourth official and absolute roasting as if he gave the decision
wenger is terrible for it too
waving his arms and moaning to the 4th official as if he's going to say"hold on now lads...arsene isnt happy so we'll change our mind and give a free out instead of a penalty"

event

jesus, some of ye are going a bit overboard, there is no need for uefa or fifa to get involved. as has been said, it takes balls, nothing else. refs are too worried about upsetting some of their mate players, so wont book them.

tell a player to move away, if he hasnt in 5 seconds, book him. same with foul language directed at refs.

it really is that simple

micks

as has been said already Refs need to grow a set of balls and throw a few yellows out.
There is nobody being punished so they keep going
We had a ref recently in a LSL game who at halftime went over to the opposition and told them that he should have booked several of our players but didn't because the opposition players and sideline roared at him each time to do so, they soon got the message and shut up 2nd half

keano_afc

United are the worst culprits, but why wouldnt they be considering who their manager is.

I dont like GAA but I like the rule that moves free kicks forward 10 yards for backchat could be successful in football. I completely agree that only the captain should talk to the ref. Intimidation of refs is ruining football.

Paully D

Referee's growing a set of bollocks and getting decisions correct once in a while would help.

Two shocking decisions in the Sunderland V Wolves game today. A clear handball from John Mensah and no penalty to Wolves, and then a clear foul on Sessegnon from Hunt and no foul given. Shocking stuff, but I presume it's ok because the ref evened things up :rolleyes:

I'm sick of officials hiding behind **** like ''oh we're being harrased'' etc when they make bad decisions.

bonerm

If I could change anything in football it would be this constant arguing/intimidation of referees. Players know they are never going to change a refs decision but do these theatrics anyway in order intimidate him and influence his subsequent decisions. As long as they're allowed to benefit from this behavior they will continue to do it.

One thing I respect from Rugby is the way players generally accept whatever the ref says and back off. I don't know why this is the case in Rugby or how it developed this way but it's definitely the way forward.

chiefwiggum

its just the tradition in rugby....if you listen to the refs mic you will hear a lot of the captains saying "yes sir or sorry sir" to the ref
plus in rugby backchat will cost you ten meters= the kicker knocking it over for an easy 3 points

Liam O

keano_afc wrote: »

United are the worst culprits, but why wouldnt they be considering who their manager is.

I dont like GAA but I like the rule that moves free kicks forward 10 yards for backchat could be successful in football. I completely agree that only the captain should talk to the ref. Intimidation of refs is ruining football.

recent examples cutting out the farce that was today in the biggest game of the season when the ref needlessly made a big deal about something that could have been sorted out in 5 seconds please?

ctrl-alt-delete

I am currently working on what I call the forcefield for the force on the field,

It is a glorified hamster ball, but with the right circumference setting it should do the trick.

chiefwiggum

Liam O wrote: »

recent examples cutting out the farce that was today in the biggest game of the season when the ref needlessly made a big deal about something that could have been sorted out in 5 seconds please?

it did look a stonewall peno from every angle and agreed he didnt need the linesman to confirm it BUT it still didnt need players from BOTH TEAMS(special mentions for vidic and ferdinand) screaming and puffing their chests out

keano_afc

Liam O wrote: »

recent examples cutting out the farce that was today in the biggest game of the season when the ref needlessly made a big deal about something that could have been sorted out in 5 seconds please?

Are you serious? Rooney spends every game swearing a blue streak at the ref over every decision that goes against United. Ferguson constantly questions the ability of the officials before and after games.

Intimidation of referees doesnt just happen on the pitch. In his vocal attacks on officials Ferguson is just as intimidating. The decisions United have got down the years at Old Trafford in particular didnt just happen by accident.

FrostyJack

If they cut it out what will United fans have to be hypocritical about when they slag off Barca and Real for it, suppose they will only be left with the players go down too easy and roll around exagerating injuries :rolleyes:

Turtwig

In all honesty the solution is fairly simple : Only captains can speak to referees anyone else warrants an immediate yellow card.

gosplan

It's such an easy problem to solve.

FIFA, FA etc are just spineless though.

tolosenc

There are already rules against it, they're just not enforced.

Also, UEFA doesn't want Barça forfeiting every match they play.

Turtwig

tolosenc wrote: »

There are already rules against it, they're just not enforced.

Also, UEFA doesn't want Barça forfeiting every match they play.

Clearly you don't watch Barca playing too often.:p

Drumpot

This is funny . .

I agree completely that the surrounding of refs should be clamped down and that it should be a yellow for anybody but the captain who questions decisions.

However. I love that whenever United get a dodgy decision or get up to the kind of antics they did today and automatically its 1000000% worse then the same Sh&t that happens week in week out in the EPL.

Nobody excuses the practise of surrounding refs. I just think its hilarious that so many United haters are just waiting by the PC for them to do ANYTHING wrong and to just jump down their throats.

And for the record, chelsea are the worse team for surrounding and their players berating refs in the EPL and obviously some people missed the Madrid v Barca games recently!. Rooney is no differant to most players, its just the avid hatred of United that has people combing through United games to highlight and make more out of incidents that happen week in week out in the EPL.

curry-muff

I absolutely hate the idea of players surrounding and hassling refs, but saying United are worse than Barca is ridiculous, I was hugely embarrassed by the antics today as a united fan but to be fair its the first bad incident in feck knows how long, Ive been happy that we moved away from it since the neville/keane days, one incident and we're back in the firing line again unfortunately.

razorblunt

The buck stops with the manager IMHO, look at them on the sidelines hassling the 4th official constantly, players see this and think it's ok.
The system works in rugby because a 10 yard penalty brings in a chance for 3 points or closer to the corner if going for the try, doing the same doesn't really work in rugby what happens in and around the box do they make it indirect or give a penalty?

At the same time though refs need to grow a pair and stop trying to be best buddies with the players there should be a clear line of proffesional respect going both ways like in rugby not attempted banter.

Ultimately handing out the yellows will surely only enrage the managers more and create numerous handy hourly headlines for Sky Sports News and opportunities to wheel Jeff Winter out on tv again and again.

Dublin_Gunner

SImple solution:

ANY back chat / shouting at / moaning at / giving out to / calling for booking / approaching an official AT ALL regarding a decisiion = yellow card.

This goes for players and managers etc

This should not even be an option from the referees point of view, but mandatory.

A second yellow for any yellow card offence then results on a red, obviously. If the second yellow is for the same type of abuse of an official, a fine to be issued to the player / club.

It would end over a weekend if that was introduced.

Panthro

give the ref a taser gun, and Zap! Problem solved.

sonic85

the respect shown in rugby is fantastic. it wouldnt do any harm if the clock from rugby was transferred to soccer either. like a couple of other posters have said - the referees shouldnt be trying to be mates with players. the refs are there to do a job not have a laugh and act the fcuk. watching the arsenal stoke game last weekend the ref came out after half time walking side by side with kenwynne jones who had his arm draped around him!

that sh!t shouldnt be happening