Micheal Moore, fat clown or champion of truth?

lastlaugh · 13-05-2011 1:08pm #1

I noticed somebody posted a link to a Micheal Moore video recently.

Personnally, I can't stand him. I watched Bowling for Columbine when it was out and found him most annoying.

I think he a big fat mess who needs to shave and get some exercise.

Charlton Heston would have been well within his rights to kick his fat ass out the door for setting him up like he did.

Also that free gun when you open a bank account thing was staged.

Anyway, what do you think of him and his documentories?

Archeron · 13-05-2011 1:10pm

I would say he is one smelly fecker.

Pauleta · 13-05-2011 1:11pm

He is a left wing loon

whiteonion · 13-05-2011 1:13pm

Yup, America is a capitalist paradise. Forget everything that Michael Moore says. Nothing to see move along. Forget that many parts of America look like a third world country.

SharpshooterTom · 13-05-2011 1:13pm

Greatest American alive today.

I have him on twitter, love hearing from.

He may come across as hypocrite and an anti-american to some but asks some very important questions many americans refuse to ask. He highlights it brilliantly.

old hippy · 13-05-2011 1:13pm

I'd trust the man far more than any of the most moderate right wingers to come out of that country.

jam_mac_jam · 13-05-2011 1:13pm

I like him, dumbs down a lot of his arguements but makes some valid points. His healthcare one is good.

Dogdaysareover · 13-05-2011 1:14pm

I like him! I'm not naive enough to believe everything he writes or says, but he's good entertainment....

SharpshooterTom · 13-05-2011 1:15pm

lastlaugh wrote: »

Charlton Heston would have been well within his rights to kick his fat ass out the door for setting him up like he did.

Also that free gun when you open a bank account thing was staged.

Anyway, what do you think of him and his documentories?

Charlton Heston was the head of the NRA, the association that was promoting gun culture at rallys nearby right after columbine, and many other shootings across the country. Can't he answer tough questions? Moore was well in his rights to ask him, since nobody else does probably.

Craebear · 13-05-2011 1:16pm

Fox news told me not to trust him, so feck him tbh.

dark crystal · 13-05-2011 1:16pm

You sound like you're more annoyed at the way he looks, than anything he has to say, tbh.

Anyway, I've always found his stuff very interesting. He's certainly passionate about what he believes in.

Didn't he manage to get Wal-Mart to stop selling guns? Great result, if true.

Personally, I'd rather watch a thousand Moore documentaries than a single Morgan Spurlock one.

mgmt · 13-05-2011 1:19pm

I'd go with fat clown. Him and Al Gore are both morons.

OutlawPete · 13-05-2011 1:20pm

lastlaugh wrote: »

I noticed somebody posted a link to a Micheal Moore video recently.

That would be me (:)) but just to show that a bank was giving away free guns with accounts. Actually, they were giving them away by post and he duped them into make it look like they were given them away within the bank. I have no time for him, he's a far left, feminist sympathizing, own sex disparaging clown as far as I'm concerned. His CNN interview regarding Bin Laden was a disgrace, he should be ashamed of himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Ebup5kE88

Here's a decent docu on the guy also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drfWkNQDVOQ

NIMAN · 13-05-2011 1:21pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I like him, dumbs down a lot of his arguements but makes some valid points. His healthcare one is good.

He's a bit of both. Simplifies stuff too much for me, and like most doc makers, selectibely use clips to suit their argument.

As for the one about the medicine, I found myself shouting at him when he kept saying that the UK had a 'totally free health system in the NHS'. As a tax-payer in NI, I can tell you its far from free. I pay hefty National Insurance contributions to fund it. And it is also a crumbling system that is not fit for purpose.

But why let the truth get in the way of a good story?

Duggy747 · 13-05-2011 1:22pm

I've never liked the fact how he exaggarates to get some of his points across, especially with some clever editing. Stretch the truth to the tell the truth? No different from what a lot of documentary makers do but it's something I've never liked from anyone, practically voids a point to me.

I enjoyed alot of his early documentaries though, especially Roger & Me.

Clint Eastwood wanted to punch him after what he did to his friend, Charlton Heston. :pac:

old hippy · 13-05-2011 1:22pm

mgmt wrote: »

I'd go with fat clown. Him and Al Gore are both morons.

Can you expand on that less than convincing argument, please?

KeithAFC · 13-05-2011 1:22pm

Oh my, the George Galloway of America.

jam_mac_jam · 13-05-2011 1:24pm

NIMAN wrote: »

He's a bit of both. Simplifies stuff too much for me, and like most doc makers, selectibely use clips to suit their argument.

As for the one about the medicine, I found myself shouting at him when he kept saying that the UK had a 'totally free health system in the NHS'. As a tax-payer in NI, I can tell you its far from free. I pay hefty National Insurance contributions to fund it. And it is also a crumbling system that is not fit for purpose.

But why let the truth get in the way of a good story?

I know, he does simplify too much. In the case of the NHS I was having the same thoughts, its not all perfect, I am sure Canada isnt either.

petes · 13-05-2011 1:25pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4fQNZmefM4

old hippy · 13-05-2011 1:25pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

Oh my, the George Galloway of America.

Says the Ian Paisely of boards.ie?

KeithAFC · 13-05-2011 1:26pm

old hippy wrote: »

Says the Ian Paisely of boards.ie?

Nope. Don't believe in god.;)

whiteboy · 13-05-2011 1:26pm

very interesting dude

mgmt · 13-05-2011 1:26pm

old hippy wrote: »

Can you expand on that less than convincing argument, please?

Well he is grossly overweight. And both Moore and Gore argue their points through lies and propaganda.

Biggins · 13-05-2011 1:27pm

He's not perfect but at least he is a voice that is still opposing spun versions of events by state heads and bodies.
As long as there is someone like him to question and someone to stand up for those that need help, who am I to say the man is totally wrong and say he should stop?

actuallylike · 13-05-2011 1:28pm

lastlaugh wrote: »

Personnally, I can't stand him. I watched Bowling for Columbine when it was out and found him most annoying.

I think he a big fat mess who needs to shave and get some exercise.

lastlaugh wrote: »

Anyway, what do you think of him and his documentories?

Interesting, you ask what do we think about his documentaries and you just go on about his appearance and speaking manner. What did you think of the content of his documentaries or was he too annoying and fat to understand?

As annoying or overweight as you think he may be, have a look at this speech he gave in Wisconsin, amazing speaker!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgNuSEZ8CDw

old hippy · 13-05-2011 1:29pm

mgmt wrote: »

Well he is grossly overweight. And both Moore and Gore argue their points through lies and propaganda.

What has a person's weight got to do with anything?

These lies and propaganda; would that be according to Republicans, Tea Party types and PNAC folk?

whiteonion · 13-05-2011 1:29pm

Of course Michael Moore simplifies things, most Americans lack the proper education to understand information unless you dumb it down to the lowest common denomitator.

dark crystal · 13-05-2011 1:30pm

mgmt wrote: »

Well he is grossly overweight. And both Moore and Gore argue their points through lies and propaganda.

What on earth has his weight got to do with his abilities as a film-maker?

What lies have he and Gore told exactly?

Biggins · 13-05-2011 1:30pm

old hippy wrote: »

What has a person's weight got to do with anything?

These lies and propaganda; would that be according to Republicans, Tea Party types and PNAC folk?

...And Fox news to boot!
If someone like Moore is willing to at least question their schite, I say fair play.
...At least one more is doing it.

mgmt · 13-05-2011 1:31pm

old hippy wrote: »

What has a person's weight got to do with anything?

These lies and propaganda; would that be according to Republicans, Tea Party types and PNAC folk?

Stop playing political football. I said something about your star striker, now I must be a republican/tea party.

sock puppet · 13-05-2011 1:31pm

Gnobe wrote: »

Greatest American alive today.

I have him on twitter, love hearing from.

He may come across as hypocrite and an anti-american to some but asks some very important questions many americans refuse to ask. He highlights it brilliantly.

Well I suppose American leaders lie enough so what's the harm if a filmaker does it so he can make more money?

Gnobe wrote: »

Charlton Heston was the head of the NRA, the association that was promoting gun culture at rallys nearby right after columbine, and many other shootings across the country. Can't he answer tough questions? Moore was well in his rights to ask him, since nobody else does probably.

Damn right. It's time we started getting tough on the sick and infirm.

old hippy · 13-05-2011 1:31pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Of course Michael Moore simplifies things, most Americans lack the proper education to understand information unless you dumb it down to the lowest common denomitator.

Sweeping generalisations are a product of dumbing down, in my book.

KeithAFC · 13-05-2011 1:32pm

Biggins wrote: »

He's not perfect but at least he is a voice that is still opposing spun versions of events by state heads and bodies.
As long as there is someone like him to question and someone to stand up for those that need help, who am I to say the man is totally wrong and say he should stop?

Just because he might ask questions, doesn't mean much or that he knows much.

dark crystal · 13-05-2011 1:33pm

sock puppet wrote: »

Well I suppose American leaders lie enough so what's the harm if a filmaker does it so he can make more money?

Damn right. It's time we started getting tough on the sick and infirm.

Heston didn't seem so sick and infirm during those gun rallies.....

Hookah · 13-05-2011 1:33pm

He is prone to hyperbole and a bit of exaggeration, but it's for a good cause, so he get's my vote.

thebostoncrab · 13-05-2011 1:34pm

Gnobe wrote: »

Charlton Heston was the head of the NRA, the association that was promoting gun culture at rallys nearby right after columbine, and many other shootings across the country. Can't he answer tough questions? Moore was well in his rights to ask him, since nobody else does probably.

Hestons alzheimers was becoming noticable around the time. I agree with alot of what MM has to say, but that interview was low. Do I agree with the NRA coming in after Columbine and other gun related tragedies and doing pro-gun rallies? No, but two wrongs do not make a right.

sock puppet · 13-05-2011 1:34pm

old hippy wrote: »

These lies and propaganda; would that be according to Republicans, Tea Party types and PNAC folk?

No these would be the lies in his documentaries. Juts because you're blinded by politics doesn't mean everyone else is. You shouldn't project your own flaws onto others.

Biggins · 13-05-2011 1:35pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

Just because he might ask questions, doesn't mean much or that he knows much.

True - however in some subjects he, himself is very well versed in topics - as we all are in our own areas.
...And at least he and similar are willing to prise under covers and get alternative answers too.

Its that or be left in the darkness of a one-side spin.
At least with another view - regardless of who throws it out there - allows the ability of further independent assessment and thought.
Not just be treated as a mindless drone and made swallow just one version/spin of events.

whiteonion · 13-05-2011 1:36pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

Just because he might ask questions, doesn't mean much or that he knows much.

http://www.livescience.com/3211-14-percent-adults-read.html

"Statistics released by the U.S. Education Department this week show that some 32 million U.S. adults lack basic prose literacy skill. That means they can't read a newspaper or the instruction on a bottle of pills. "
What I say holds true.

Does this sound like a population who are educated and clued up about things in general?

dark crystal · 13-05-2011 1:36pm

sock puppet wrote: »

No these would be the lies in his documentaries. Juts because you're blinded by politics doesn't mean everyone else is. You shouldn't project your own flaws onto others.

What lies did he tell exactly?

OutlawPete · 13-05-2011 1:37pm

Biggins wrote: »

...And Fox news to boot!

Just as much truth on Fox, as there is on Sky, NBC and the rest of the liberal left leaning media moguls.

Biggins wrote: »

If someone like Moore is willing to at least question their schite, I say fair play.
...At least one more is doing it.

He isn't just 'questioning' it though, if that was all, I would agree with you, but he puts massive spin on almost everything he presents to the public.

old hippy · 13-05-2011 1:37pm

sock puppet wrote: »

Damn right. It's time we started getting tough on the sick and infirm.

That's exactly what I said to that Simon Wiesenthal

lastlaugh · 13-05-2011 1:38pm

actuallylike wrote: »

Interesting, you ask what do we think about his documentaries and you just go on about his appearance and speaking manner. What did you think of the content of his documentaries or was he too annoying and fat to understand?

As annoying or overweight as you think he may be, have a look at this speech he gave in Wisconsin, amazing speaker!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgNuSEZ8CDw

My personal insults towards him are a result of my revulsion at his sickening methods, I mean look at him shuffling around the place waving the picture of the little girl after ambushing Heston http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1iuEcu7O50

He might have some valid points somewhere but the good is taken out of it by his 'editing'.

KeithAFC · 13-05-2011 1:38pm

whiteonion wrote: »

http://www.livescience.com/3211-14-percent-adults-read.html

"Statistics released by the U.S. Education Department this week show that some 32 million U.S. adults lack basic prose literacy skill. That means they can't read a newspaper or the instruction on a bottle of pills. "
What I say holds true.

Does this sound like a population who are educated and clued up about things in general?

I find that hard to believe to be honest. People see "science" and think of "fact".

whiteonion · 13-05-2011 1:42pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

I find that hard to believe to be honest. People see "science" and think of "fact".

It was released by their own department for education. Why would they want to exaggerate this figures? Anyways back to the main topic. Michael Moore says that right wingers don't want to hear so instead they stoop to character assasination and calls him a fat pig. Shooting the messenger is very popular activity amongst these "people".

Biggins · 13-05-2011 1:43pm

OutlawPete wrote: »

Just as much truth on Fox, as there is on Sky, NBC and the rest of the liberal left leaning media moguls.

No - totally wrong.
Fox news is so bad, for example: its banned from televising in Canada as its news actually breaks the laws there.
See:
* http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/5123-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada
* http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-be-moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html
* http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/174824-fox-news-banned-canada.html
* http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/?p=4240

Other news networks do put their own spin on things but Fox news has been recognised as producing MANY outright blatant complete lies.

He isn't just 'questioning' it though, if that was all, I would agree with you, but he puts massive spin on almost everything he presents to the public.

He does put his own spin on some items but while he does so, he ALSO produces independent evidence and allows the viewer/listener to decide with an alternative choice or come to a conclusion that the truth might lie somewhere in between.

ScumLord · 13-05-2011 1:44pm

He uses all the dark sides of journalism to get his point across, I wouldn't agree with his methods but they are the American way he's pulling on the heart strings just like all journalists in America do, I guess it's what works in the US.

I don't see what he looks like has anything to do with it.

old hippy · 13-05-2011 1:46pm

sock puppet wrote: »

No these would be the lies in his documentaries. Juts because you're blinded by politics doesn't mean everyone else is. You shouldn't project your own flaws onto others.

You assume a lot, don't you? Please stop spreading your insidious lies and propaganda about me.

What documentary lies would these be, exactly?

Biggins · 13-05-2011 1:47pm

I find Moore irritating to say the least at times but at least he willing to uncover lies which some would rather stay hidden and allow the masses to be abused otherwise.
As the saying goes, sometimes 'a necessary evil!'

old hippy · 13-05-2011 1:50pm

whiteonion wrote: »

http://www.livescience.com/3211-14-percent-adults-read.html

"Statistics released by the U.S. Education Department this week show that some 32 million U.S. adults lack basic prose literacy skill. That means they can't read a newspaper or the instruction on a bottle of pills. "
What I say holds true.

Does this sound like a population who are educated and clued up about things in general?

There's over 200 million in the States. 32 million people isn't most Americans.

Do the math, O educated one.

thebostoncrab · 13-05-2011 1:50pm

old hippy wrote: »

You assume a lot, don't you? Please stop spreading your insidious lies and propaganda about me.

What lies would these be, exactly?

Name a film, he has plenty of examples of spinning in most of them (Columbine being the worst).

And I'll again say this, I agree with alt of what Moore says, however I hate how he goes about it and how he spins alot of ****.

Micheal Moore, fat clown or champion of truth?

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