Impact on DB of kerb barriers

markpb

It just occurred to me that if AGS put the expected kilometres of kerb barriers along the city centre roads to stop pedestrians crossing away from junctions, DB won't be able to pull up in the normal ad-hoc fashion.

Also, if the barriers are on the road instead of footpath (like they were last time), no bus will br able to pull up close enough to allow the use of wheelchair ramps.

backboiler

For some reason the setup on Parnell Square reminds me of the Bangkok metro.
Without the automatic glass doors and the impeccable cleanliness and the punctuality, of course.

AlekSmart

I think they are a great idea.
If I had my way and a welding plant I'd leave them there.

Dublin is one City which needs a lot more strategically placed physical barriers in an attempt to preserve some form of order and segregation.

However I feel we are way past barriers now as the entire Road Traffic Act now appears to have been rewritten by a few good Taxi Drivers.

I noticed this evening that even the usually disinterested Gardai were being forced to take action to deal with the display of mass idiocy along St Stephens Green North and across the bottom of Grafton Street......:)

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AlekSmart wrote: »

I noticed this evening that even the usually disinterested Gardai were being forced to take action to deal with the display of mass idiocy along St Stephens Green North and across the bottom of Grafton Street......:)

Sigh... If only her majesty would visit every week...:pac:

markpb

AlekSmart wrote: »

Dublin is one City which needs a lot more strategically placed physical barriers in an attempt to preserve some form of order and segregation.

I think the next two weeks will remind people just why so many people jaywalk in Dublin. It's possibly the worst European city I've ever been in for pedestrian priority at junctions.

I noticed this evening that even the usually disinterested Gardai were being forced to take action to deal with the display of mass idiocy along St Stephens Green North and across the bottom of Grafton Street......:)

Same crap, different day. The Gardai just move them along instead of hitting them with a bloody great fine every time they break the rules. What's the disincentive in driving round the block so you can come back and form a third taxi rank in the middle of the road?

AlekSmart

markpb wrote: »

Same crap, different day. The Gardai just move them along instead of hitting them with a bloody great fine every time they break the rules. What's the disincentive in driving round the block so you can come back and form a third taxi rank in the middle of the road?

Gas thing is a very basic Remotely Mounted Index Reading Camera setup would generate literally thousands of € daily if it were to be installed at a couple of locations...Flash €80,Flash €80,Flash €80...or ...maybe a wee bit more,seeing as these lads are PROFESSIONAL Drivers who presumably have a better working knowledge of the regulations...?

Zoney

markpb wrote: »

I think the next two weeks will remind people just why so many people jaywalk in Dublin. It's possibly the worst European city I've ever been in for pedestrian priority at junctions.

I've found London worse. For all the status of it, I was surprised on my first visit to Oxford Street how much street space is used for cars compared to the many pedestrians, in addition to the short pedestrian crossing times and long waits.

Iwannahurl

AlekSmart wrote: »

I think they are a great idea.
If I had my way and a welding plant I'd leave them there.

Dublin is one City which needs a lot more strategically placed physical barriers in an attempt to preserve some form of order and segregation.

However I feel we are way past barriers now as the entire Road Traffic Act now appears to have been rewritten by a few good Taxi Drivers.

I noticed this evening that even the usually disinterested Gardai were being forced to take action to deal with the display of mass idiocy along St Stephens Green North and across the bottom of Grafton Street......:)

I'm going to be pedantic here, just to make a point.

AGS are not disinterested, in that (a) they have statutory enforcement powers and duties, and (b) their power of discretion means that they can generally choose what to enforce, therefore they can choose to turn a blind eye when they thinks it's appropriate.

On the other hand, some AGS officers are too often uninterested in what's going on around them. There may be a pattern in terms of what they find interesting, or not.

SeanW

I saw those barriers on Parnell Square today. I really hope that this is just for the Queens visit and they'll be f***ed into the nearest scrap metal recycling bin afterwards.

1. They consume about 1/4 of the footpath, if not more
2. I saw a woman nearly trip on one of them, such is their design that it can be dangerous to walk where the supporting ground frames are.
3. They block access from the bike racks and parking spaces to the footpath.
4. They're fugly.

Sooner they're gone, the better.

Victor

AlekSmart wrote: »

I think they are a great idea.
If I had my way and a welding plant I'd leave them there.

To a degree they are usful for imposing discipline on bus drivers.

However, the London experience has been that such barriers merely facilitate motorised traffic at higher speeds, but pose a safety hazard for pedestrains and cyclists.

monument

Parnell Square generally is a joke for pedestrians and bus users.

The west side covered in bus stops is the worse example. The footpath / bus stops needs to be widened to at least twice it's current width.

And those black bollards recently installed have just made it worse trying to get a bus or walk by... does anybody have any idea why they were put in? The only thing I can think of is to stop buses mounting kerbs? As I think I've only ever seen cars parked on the footpath along there once in a blue moon before the bollards.

markpb wrote: »

I think the next two weeks will remind people just why so many people jaywalk in Dublin. It's possibly the worst European city I've ever been in for pedestrian priority at junctions.

I was just thinking that myself after spotting them yesterday. But likely not the full picture as they'll still be able to jaywalk at ped crossings with messed up sequences for pedestrian -- ie loads of places with very long waits and many other places with red man sequences when it could be green as the traffic is stopped anyway.

Capt'n Midnight

Iwannahurl wrote: »

AGS are not disinterested, in that (a) they have statutory enforcement powers and duties, and (b) their power of discretion means that they can generally choose what to enforce, therefore they can choose to turn a blind eye when they thinks it's appropriate.

Has anyone ever gotton penalty points for driving on the painted islands ?

Just asking because an law that isn't enforced means people are taught to ignore it and by implication other laws too.

Could you claim harrasement if you were prosecuted under such a law when 99% of other offenders weren't ??

Iwannahurl

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Has anyone ever gotton penalty points for driving on the painted islands ?

Just asking because an law that isn't enforced means people are taught to ignore it and by implication other laws too.

Could you claim harrasement if you were prosecuted under such a law when 99% of other offenders weren't ??

True that. If most traffic laws are unenforced most of the time then road users assume that what is usually done must be legal or acceptable. Then if the law is enforced sporadically it causes resentment.

It seems the authorities resort to physical barriers during 'special occasions' because it's the only way to prevent people doing what they do habitually. My favourite example of this is Garda traffic cones on double yellow lines. DYLs = No Parking, but cones on DYLs = No Parking At All At All.

Dub13

AlekSmart wrote: »

maybe a wee bit more,seeing as these lads are PROFESSIONAL Drivers who presumably have a better working knowledge of the regulations...?

I am going to be pedantic here aswell.

I was in court about 7/8 years ago as a witness for a accident involving a taxi driver,the taxi drivers solicitor was up giving his point of view saying he is a professional driver x number of years.

The judge cut him right off saying a taxi driver was NOT a professional that he drives for a living and there was a big difference.He went on to say that doing a test on how to get from A to B did not entitled one to be called a professional driver,to be considered a professional driver he want on to say you have to do a further road driving test above and beyond the cat B test the everyday motorist & taxi driver has.

Davy

Any chance of a picture of these? Curious to see what they are like

backboiler

AlekSmart

Dub13 wrote: »

I am going to be pedantic here aswell.

I was in court about 7/8 years ago as a witness for a accident involving a taxi driver,the taxi drivers solicitor was up giving his point of view saying he is a professional driver x number of years.

The judge cut him right off saying a taxi driver was NOT a professional that he drives for a living and there was a big difference.He went on to say that doing a test on how to get from A to B did not entitled one to be called a professional driver,to be considered a professional driver he want on to say you have to do a further road driving test above and beyond the cat B test the everyday motorist & taxi driver has.

Good post Dub13,and if anything,illustrates a Judge who knew his Onions.

It also further underlines just where the Bus & Coach Driving occupation is being taken with the Certificate of Professional Competency stuff now being introduced by EU directive.

The Taxi industry is soon going to have to follow this particular bandwagon,at some cost too.

Dub13

AlekSmart wrote: »

Good post Dub13,and if anything,illustrates a Judge who knew his Onions.

It also further underlines just where the Bus & Coach Driving occupation is being taken with the Certificate of Professional Competency stuff now being introduced by EU directive.

The Taxi industry is soon going to have to follow this particular bandwagon,at some cost too.

Yea,I can see his point.Once you have a Cat B license and comply with the other requirement's (I am not sure what they are but nothing more 'on the road') you can hope into a taxi and away you go.

On the other hand,bus,coach & truck drivers are tested much more strenuously and can be considered Professional drivers.I agree with the judge and would put taxi drivers in with van drivers etc etc in the category of 'driving for a living'.