more pressure on the self employed

jakdelad

the radio ad says send in your tax returns in time
or face penaltys, fines which is fair enough but then goes on to say, or
run the risk of an audit?

this implies we will find someting in your accounts to nail you with??
why else would they say it
shurley this is a form of coercion.? which i think is illegal

234

The only coercion that is present is there to get you to comply with the law. Just like you are threatened with prison for other offences. The state coerces all the time, it's how it gets things done and it's perfectly legal.

Reloc8

Of course it isn't illegal.

They are being entirely straightforward, in pointing out that as far as they are concerned people who file & pay late are more likely to have other irregularities in their taxes and hence are more deserving of an audit.

maidhc

jakdelad wrote: »

shurley this is a form of coercion.? which i think is illegal

The only reason anyone pays tax (or does anything legal) is because of state coercion!

jimmycrackcorm

It's n different that the tv licence ads or the drink driving ads.

Our man in Havana

Can you live with the shame?

keithclancy

Yup, same everywhere ..

i.e.

Do your taxes by x date or you may face an audit.

Bastards here charge you interest as well !!

jakdelad

234 wrote: »

The only coercion that is present is there to get you to comply with the law. Just like you are threatened with prison for other offences. The state coerces all the time, it's how it gets things done and it's perfectly legal.

so bullyboy tactics are brought to bare

how can a govt operate on double standards like that.......
coercion to get you to comply with the law.
something not quite right there?

veritable

Tax levels are immoral in this country! it's the biggest con the way the self-employed cannot claim the dole if they lose their jobs.

jakdelad

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Can you live with the shame?

ha ha ha havana nobody buys that shame sh1te anymore
or we will put you in stubbs
nobody cares anymore everyone s in the same boat

shame went out in the 80s

234

jakdelad wrote: »

so bullyboy tactics are brought to bare

how can a govt operate on double standards like that.......
coercion to get you to comply with the law.
something not quite right there?

Jesus, how can you not understand this. Every law carries a sanction for non-compliance in order to ensure that people abide by it. If you commit murder, which is breaking a law, then you go to prison, the sanction. This is how every legal system worldwide works. You can't run a society on the honour system.

jakdelad

234 wrote: »

Jesus, how can you not understand this. Every law carries a sanction for non-compliance in order to ensure that people abide by it. If you commit murder, which is breaking a law, then you go to prison, the sanction. This is how every legal system worldwide works. You can't run a society on the honour system.

perhaps you dont or wont understand please read the first post
i asked a question
what part of ask a question do you not understand
and how do you equate murder with tax returns......
the ad says run the risk of an audit
my question, why if should there be a risk involved having an audit

also please dont use the lords name when you post it can be offensive to other posters

johnnyskeleton

jakdelad wrote: »

so bullyboy tactics are brought to bare

how can a govt operate on double standards like that.......
coercion to get you to comply with the law.
something not quite right there?

How do you propose that they enforce those laws?

jakdelad wrote: »

my question, why if should there be a risk involved having an audit

The risk is not involved in the audit, it's a risk of having an audit. Being audited involves a lot of hassle and stress for the person involved.

Reloc8

keithclancy wrote: »

Yup, same everywhere ..

i.e.

Do your taxes by x date or you may face an audit.

Bastards here charge you interest as well !!

The cheek.

Charging interest on money which you are legally obliged to pay.

They should let everyone make a personal decision as to whether they want to pay and, if so, when.

jakdelad

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

How do you propose that they enforce those laws?



The risk is not involved in the audit, it's a risk of having an audit. Being audited involves a lot of hassle and stress for the person involved.

hassle an dstress not stated clearly

i prefer uphold the law
enforce is very negative .dont you think?

johnnyskeleton

jakdelad wrote: »

hassle an dstress not stated clearly

i prefer uphold the law
enforce is very negative .dont you think?

Eh?

234

jakdelad wrote: »

enforce is very negative .dont you think?

So is life in prison. It's still one of the sancitons for not complying with the law.

jakdelad

234 wrote: »

So is life in prison. It's still one of the sancitons for not complying with the law.

it is for some

shoegirl

veritable wrote: »

Tax levels are immoral in this country! it's the biggest con the way the self-employed cannot claim the dole if they lose their jobs.

Actually they can, but they are often made to starve for up to 12 months while waiting for the claim to be assessed. Its just gross inefficiency in the design of the means testing system.

As for tax returns, a standard self employed set of accounts has until October - plenty of time. Audits are a nuisance and a worry, anybody with sense would avoid them

Victor

maidhc wrote: »

The only reason anyone pays tax (or does anything legal) is because of state coercion!

Actually, no. Many people pay their taxes so that they know services will be delivered.

Efficient delivery of services is a whole other matter.

maidhc

Victor wrote: »

Actually, no. Many people pay their taxes so that they know services will be delivered.

Efficient delivery of services is a whole other matter.

Yeah, self employed people pay their taxes because they know public servants need the money for their generous pension schemes and so we can have wonderful local authorities that squander money and quangos full of self serving idiots....I'd take smaller government and a smaller tax bill any day.

So ... I'm going to stick with my original comment thanks.

The reason I pay my tax is because I have to, not because I want to, and is how most people I know who actually earn money (as distinct from getting from other taxpayers) feel.

234

maidhc wrote: »

I'd take smaller government and a smaller tax bill any day.

You're right. Cancer screening, education, social welfare, etc.....who needs it!

Milk & Honey

234 wrote: »

You're right.Cancer screening, education, social welfare, etc.....who needs it!

People who can afford to pay for their own Cancer screening and education and don't depend on Social Welfare.

234

Milk & Honey wrote: »

People who can afford to pay for their own Cancer screening and education and don't depend on Social Welfare.

Do you mean that people who can afford to pay for these things privately should have the option of not paying for them in the form of tax and subsidising these services for others?

FreudianSlippers

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Liam Byrne

Reloc8 wrote: »

Of course it isn't illegal.

They are being entirely straightforward, in pointing out that as far as they are concerned people who file & pay late are more likely to have other irregularities in their taxes and hence are more deserving of an audit.

Then they are wrong.

Paying late could equally have to do with the fact that it's difficult to get money in these days, and in lots of cases it's not even the direct client's fault, since they're waiting for someone else to pay them.

Owldshtok

maidhc wrote: »

Yeah, self employed people pay their taxes because they know public servants need the money for their generous pension schemes and so we can have wonderful local authorities that squander money and quangos full of self serving idiots....I'd take smaller government and a smaller tax bill any day.

So ... I'm going to stick with my original comment thanks.

The reason I pay my tax is because I have to, not because I want to, and is how most people I know who actually earn money (as distinct from getting from other taxpayers) feel.

Tax is the price we have to pay to live in a civilized society,and I'm saying that as someone who is self employed.

Owldshtok

...mind you I dont think its right that I should wait for ages to get dole if it came to that

Tipp Man

maidhc wrote: »

Yeah, self employed people pay their taxes because they know public servants need the money for their generous pension schemes and so we can have wonderful local authorities that squander money and quangos full of self serving idiots....I'd take smaller government and a smaller tax bill any day.

So ... I'm going to stick with my original comment thanks.

The reason I pay my tax is because I have to, not because I want to, and is how most people I know who actually earn money (as distinct from getting from other taxpayers) feel.

I think this has to be post of the year so far. Well said

srsly78

As usual noone has a ****in clue. Here is the skinny behind the revenue's "threat" about auditing:

About 10 years ago if you formed a limited company you had to be audited every year. This means paying a qualified auditor lots of money and is a massive pain in the bollix (and unnecessary) for a small company. They did away with this (dunno when) and most new companies are now automatically audit-exempt. You just gotta file your accounts and returns as normal, but do not have to pay for a special audit. This is a special dispensation, if you keep your nose clean you don't need to get audited.

Conversely, if you don't file your returns etc then you lose your audit-exemption and they will want to have a closer look at the books. What exactly is unfair or threatening about this? It's pretty sad that they need to put ads on national media reminding directors to file their accounts ffs :rolleyes: This is (was) one of the easiest countries in the world to setup a business in, don't mind all the moaners.

keithclancy

Reloc8 wrote: »

The cheek.

Charging interest on money which you are legally obliged to pay.

They should let everyone make a personal decision as to whether they want to pay and, if so, when.

I don't think you understood me,
Your charged Interest on the taxes owed for the previous year.

So if your employer doesn't calculate your income tax correctly then you have to pay the interest on their mistake.

This is nothing to do with late payments, late payments incur a fine which is totally different.

professore

jakdelad wrote: »

so bullyboy tactics are brought to bare

how can a govt operate on double standards like that.......
coercion to get you to comply with the law.
something not quite right there?

I'm self employed. Let's put it this way - if I do a job for you and you don't pay you can be damn sure I will use whatever tactics I can to get my money - especially these days!

I have found the Revenue to be more than fair to be honest.

professore

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Then they are wrong.

Paying late could equally have to do with the fact that it's difficult to get money in these days, and in lots of cases it's not even the direct client's fault, since they're waiting for someone else to pay them.

You are paying last year's tax - so you should have this money set aside since last year. If you don't you are foolish.

beeftotheheels

keithclancy wrote: »

I don't think you understood me,
Your charged Interest on the taxes owed for the previous year.

So if your employer doesn't calculate your income tax correctly then you have to pay the interest on their mistake.

This is just wrong. If your employer underpays PAYE then the interest attaches to the employer, not the employee. The employer must gross up the payments made and account for the additional tax and interest.

keithclancy

beeftotheheels wrote: »

This is just wrong. If your employer underpays PAYE then the interest attaches to the employer, not the employee. The employer must gross up the payments made and account for the additional tax and interest.

Believe it or not the Irish Taxation system is light years ahead of the German/Dutch in terms of efficiency and customer service.

Its mandatory in the Netherlands and Germany to do an end of year return if you earn over 20,000 euros /year.

Everyone has an accountant, its total bullsh*t.

Here its up to you to make sure your monthly calculation is correct.