How is this legal?

MajorMax

PRESS RELEASE

Garda Information relating to the Dublin area for the Visit of HM Queen Elizabeth II from 17 to 20 May 2011

Daily information and traffic updates will be provided from Monday, 16 May 2011. The following general information is available ahead of the visit.

General advice:
 All business and commercial activity will continue as normal in Dublin city.
 There will be diversions and rolling road closures which will be flagged in advance.
 Gardaí will maintain a high visible presence both outside the city environs and in the city centre to facilitate traffic movement.
 There will be parking restrictions in the city centre from 06:00 a.m. on Saturday 14 May 2011 (see details below).
 People should use public transport where possible. Where there are amendments to routes and/or timetables that information will be communicated to the travelling public and commuters are advised to check for timetable and route changes closer to their journey time. There may be brief disruptions to public transport.
 Existing Park and Ride facilities continue to be available and are advertised.
 People are advised to plan their journeys in advance including routes and parking options at their final destination. They should also confirm appointments prior to travelling.
 The public is advised to leave extra time for their journeys and to expect some congestion and delays.
 For security reasons, there will be periodic searches of pedestrians and vehicles by members of An Garda Síochána at key locations.
 Gardaí are liaising with business and local residents in the key locations and will continue to communicate directly with them.

The following roads are among the routes that will be subject to temporary closures at various times between 17 May and 20 May 2011 (full details to be notified to the public when finalised and closer to the time):
 N7, N4 and M50
 Phoenix Park
 North and South Quays, and adjacent bridges and streets.

A number of diversions will be put in place on a rolling basis throughout the city. Further details will be available in coming days and diversion points will be notified using Variable Message Signs and a Garda presence.

There will be no parking in the following areas from 06:00 on Saturday 14 May to Friday 20 May 2011. Barriers will be placed along all or some of these routes over the same time period.

Chesterfield Avenue
North Quays
South Quays
Parkgate Street
O’ Connell Street
Parnell Square (All Sides)
D’Olier Street
Westmoreland Street
College Street
Grafton Street
Nassau Street
South Leinster Street
Lincoln Place
Westland Row
Pearse Street
Bridge Street
High Street
Cornmarket
Thomas Street
James’s Street
Crane Street
Bellevue Lord Edward Street
Dame Street
Conyngham Rd
Rainsford Street
Christchurch Place
South Circular Road (Con Colbert rd – Conyngham Rd)
Beresford Place
Gardiner Street
Mountjoy Square
Fitzgibbon Street
Russell Street
Jones Rd
Memorial Rd
Castle Street
Werburgh Street
Ship Street
Stephen St
Guild Street
Sherriff Street Upper



Garda Information relating to Co. Kildare for the Visit of HM Queen Elizabeth II on 19 May 2011

At this point there are no planned motorway closures on the M7/M9 on Thursday 19 May 2011. However, traffic travelling both northbound and southbound will be slowed down in key areas and at certain times by marked Garda vehicles.

There will be periodic temporary closure of Exits (from Exit 5 to Exist 12 M7 and Exit 2 M9) between 9:30 a.m. and 3:30 p.m.

Traffic diversions will be in place in the greater Kildare Town area from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. The R413 (The Curragh to Kilcullen Road) will be closed to through traffic from 9.30am to 3.30pm and will re-open in rolling locations. There will be no vehicular access to this route during these times.

There will be traffic diversions around the Curragh side of Kildare/Newbridge/The Curragh Camp/Athgarvan/Kilcullen (access to/from the R413 from 9.30am to 3.30pm)


We were just sent this press release by our useless Union branch secretary (Tits on a bull kind of guy) :mad:Can anyone tell me how this is legal? What act gives the Guards the right to stop me and search me.
I'm only aware of 3 acts that allow a Guard to even stop you and ask you your name never mind search you
1. The misuse of drugs act
2. Offences against the state acr
3. Road traffic act
The first 2 need the guard to have, as far as I'm aware, a reasonable suspicion that a crime is being commited

FreudianSlippers

ugh. so many of these threads.

Yes, it's legal. The site has been made a secure zone. bla bla bla bla.

Try a search next time.

Paulyh

I have 3 bums

MajorMax

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

ugh. so many of these threads.

Yes, it's legal. The site has been made a secure zone. bla bla bla bla.

Try a search next time.

What the hell is a secure zone? As I asked in my original post what ACT gives the Guards the right to ignore my civil rights

dvpower

There's a thread in Legal Discussion on it

FreudianSlippers

MajorMax wrote: »

What the hell is a secure zone? As I asked in my original post what ACT gives the Guards the right to ignore my civil rights

There is obviously either legislation or common law powers that enable AGS to do this. I'm not just going to waste my day trawling through thousands and thousands of documents to find something when it's genuinely not a big deal.

Remember all this kind of stuff gets run by the AG and possibly by the President as well. They wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't above board without making it above board.

Degsy

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Remember all this kind of stuff gets run by the AG and possibly by the President as well. .

Oh yes the president..a bloody nordie arse-kisser thats all she is.

The idea that teh capital should be locked down for ANY foreign leader is disgracefull..to say nothing of business that will lose money when they have to close for the day.

Let teh poxy queen come back when the country is in better shape,unless she wants to give us a loan of a few billion quid.:mad:

CiaranC

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm not just going to waste my day trawling through thousands and thousands of documents to find something when it's genuinely not a big deal.

It is a big deal.

IITYWYBMAD

Degsy wrote: »

Oh yes the president..a bloody nordie arse-kisser thats all she is.

The idea that teh capital should be locked down for ANY foreign leader is disgracefull..to say nothing of business that will lose money when they have to close for the day.

Let teh poxy queen come back when the country is in better shape,unless she wants to give us a loan of a few billion quid.:mad:

UK have given us a loan. A huge one. And at a better interest rate than our EU partners. TBH, only for the UK, this country would be b***ixed.

God save the Queen!!

FreudianSlippers

Degsy wrote: »

Oh yes the president..a bloody nordie arse-kisser thats all she is.

The idea that teh capital should be locked down for ANY foreign leader is disgracefull..to say nothing of business that will lose money when they have to close for the day.

Let teh poxy queen come back when the country is in better shape,unless she wants to give us a loan of a few billion quid.:mad:

:rolleyes:

I'm not even going to bother responding to your comments about the President.

However, the secure zones are not off limits, they are just areas where the Gardaí can effect random searches.
You have such little insight into economics that you don't realise that the Queen and Obama's visit is going to have a massive impact on tourism?

No businesses are being forced to close at all, this is misinformation.

I'm no fan of the Queen, but this "civil liberties" QQ bullshít is getting pretty old.

FreudianSlippers

CiaranC wrote: »

It is a big deal.

Oh, well if you say so then it must be. :rolleyes:

PCros

MajorMax wrote: »

What the hell is a secure zone? As I asked in my original post what ACT gives the Guards the right to ignore my civil rights

Its just for a few days not every day, I dont see the problem.

What if they dont do it and then some madman gets through and the worst scenario happens - that would put this country in alot more shít than it is now.

CiaranC

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm no fan of the Queen, but this "civil liberties" QQ bullshít is getting pretty old.

Civil liberties bull****? Jesus ****ing christ. People should be allowed walk around their own city without being challenged and/or searched by the police for no reason, just becuase some ****ing foreign monarch is in town.

AnonoBoy

I find it hard to believe that people think this isn't legal.

A security lock-down of this size is essential for the Queen of England visiting Ireland. There's already been loads of bomb threats and remember those douchebags in the city who staged a mock beheading of the Queen just a few weeks ago. F*cktards like that are the exact sort of morons who could do something immensely stupid and cause all sorts of hell to break loose.

If that happened the very people who are now giving out about possibly getting briefly stopped and/or searched would be giving out that the Gardai didn't do their job properly.

And let's face it you'll probably only get stopped if you're hefting a big rucksack through the streets and/or are acting suspiciously.

Yeah yeah yeah - it'll be annoying taking longer to travel through the city. But I think we'll all survive somehow.

markpb

Degsy wrote: »

The idea that teh capital should be locked down for ANY foreign leader is disgracefull..to say nothing of business that will lose money when they have to close for the day.

What businesses will close for the day?

The Hill Billy

Let's face it - most of this complaining is because the measures are being put in place for the Queen of England. There was feck all complaing when it was done (probably on a larger scale too) for the Pope's or the US Presidents' visits.

seamus

It's most likely a consenual search.

That is, if you want to travel through or into a particular area, you consent to being searched. If you do not consent to being searched, you can turn around and go away.

Perfectly legal, big venues do it all the time.

CiaranC

seamus wrote: »

It's most likely a consenual search.

That is, if you want to travel through or into a particular area, you consent to being searched. If you do not consent to being searched, you can turn around and go away.

Em, I live in one of these "security zones", as do a couple of other tens of thousands of people.

AnonoBoy

CiaranC wrote: »

Em, I live in one of these "security zones", as do a couple of other tens of thousands of people.

Lucky for you the Gardai will be searching people with large bomb-shaped packages in that area. Imagine how sh*t it'd be if your house was destroyed by an explosion!

Degsy

seamus wrote: »

Perfectly legal, big venues do it all the time.

You have to pay to get into "big venues"..this is our city,not the O2 and as such you should be able to walk where you bloody well please.

FreudianSlippers

Degsy wrote: »

You have to pay to get into "big venues"..this is our city,not the O2 and as such you should be able to walk where you bloody well please.

They're not stopping you from walking anywhere (except for An Gairdín Cuimhneacháin) during the visit AFAIK.

BeerNut

Degsy wrote: »

You have to pay to get into "big venues"

Not always.

Degsy wrote: »

you should be able to walk where you bloody well please.

I heard a gentleman explaining that to a Garda once. He was orating from the middle of Camden Street at 2am on a Sunday.

seamus

Degsy wrote: »

You have to pay to get into "big venues"..this is our city,not the O2 and as such you should be able to walk where you bloody well please.

Mention that to the Gardai the next time you want to walk down Jones's Road on All-Ireland Final Day.

There's nothing new happening here, just whingers stuck in the past giving out about the queen at every opportunity.

CiaranC

seamus wrote: »

There's nothing new happening here, just whingers stuck in the past giving out about the queen at every opportunity.

I dont give a **** if its the queen of sheba or the ambassador to the moon, there is no call for the Gardai to be stopping/searching, questioning and turning those people who refuse to be searched away from their place of work or from where they live. This city doesnt delong to the Garda or some ****ing lazy old bint on holiday.

seamus

No, it belongs to us. And we employ the government to manage it on our behalf, who in turn employ the Gardai.

There is every call for Gardai to be vigilant and carry out searches of people entering areas where they believe there is a heightened risk.

Degsy

seamus wrote: »

Mention that to the Gardai the next time you want to walk down Jones's Road on All-Ireland Final Day.

Oh i have done..the same when i'm trying to drive in the area..if a bunch of flag-waving cabbages want to watch people kick a ball around thats fair enough but they shouldnt be impacting on people trying to go about thier business.

Degsy

seamus wrote: »

No, it belongs to us. And we employ the government to manage it on our behalf, who in turn employ the Gardai.

There is every call for Gardai to be vigilant and carry out searches of people entering areas where they believe there is a heightened risk.

If the guards want to be so consciencious maybe they shoud employ a bit of stop and search around the earl st,boardwalk,Clery's area to stop scum dealing in broad daylight.

Of course its an easier days work for them to hassle ordinary people minding thier own business,so we can get some brownie points with the english queen...nice bit of prioritising there.

AnonoBoy

So in your mind Degsy there's no risk of an attack on the Queen at all and the Gardai should just let anyone wander anywhere irrespective of the threats that have already been made in the city?

MajorMax

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

They're not stopping you from walking anywhere (except for An Gairdín Cuimhneacháin) during the visit AFAIK.

If they stop you and search you, then they are stopping you from walking anywhere. At what point should I start being concerned? At what point is it OK to be concerned with the denial of my civil liberties?

Sofa King Great

Degsy wrote: »

If the guards want to be so consciencious maybe they shoud employ a bit of stop and search around the earl st,boardwalk,Clery's area to stop scum dealing in broad daylight.

Have you ever reported any of these instances to the Gardai?

seamus

MajorMax wrote: »

At what point is it OK to be concerned with the denial of my civil liberties?

When there's no good reason for it.

FreudianSlippers

MajorMax wrote: »

If they stop you and search you, then they are stopping you from walking anywhere. At what point should I start being concerned? At what point is it OK to be concerned with the denial of my civil liberties?

You show me where these civil liabilities are and I'll show you where there are public policy exceptions to them all.

I'm really fed up with people who spout a bunch of nonsense they know little to nothing about. Civil liabilities? Lost all meaning because people use it as a "buzzword" now.

CiaranC

seamus wrote: »

When there's no good reason for it.

You may be happy to give up your fundamental liberties to protect some foreign statesperson, but many of us are not.

Can anyone point to a basis for these lockdowns in legislature? Or is it a case of applying the public order act, which doesnt actually allow city-wide checkpoints and roadblocks, and hoping the sheep dont think too hard or complain about it?

FreudianSlippers

CiaranC wrote: »

You may be happy to give up your fundamental liberties to protect some foreign statesperson, but many of us are not.

Can anyone point to a basis for these lockdowns in legislature? Or is it a case of applying the public order act, which doesnt actually allow city-wide checkpoints and roadblocks, and hoping the sheep dont think too hard or complain about it?

Firstly, you're missing the point. You are not giving up any "fundamental liberties".

Secondly, even if it's not legislated (which I'm sure it is) it could easily be common law powers.

AnonoBoy

Do you complain about the random checkpoints set up at bank holiday weekends to clampdown on drink-driving CiaranC?

Gardai won't let you pass one of those without agreeing to a breathalyser test either.

freeze4real

PCros wrote: »

Its just for a few days not every day, I dont see the problem.

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I bloody have exams on those days.

FreudianSlippers

freeze4real wrote: »

I bloody have exams on those days.

They're not stopping people from going in. There is no guarantee you'll be randomly searched. If you are searched it'll take a whole whopping 2 minutes of your time.

AnonoBoy

freeze4real wrote: »

I bloody have exams on those days.

Where are your exams on?

Despite what people might have you believe every road in the city isn't going to be shut down permanently for the whole time Auld Lizzie is here.

CiaranC

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Do you complain about the random checkpoints set up at bank holiday weekends to clampdown on drink-driving CiaranC?

Gardai won't let you pass one of those without agreeing to a breathalyser test either.

Driving is not a right, it is a priviledge. Walking to and from my place of work and where I live without being searched by the gardai is a natural right.

FreudianSlippers

CiaranC wrote: »

Driving is not a right, it is a priviledge. Walking to and from my place of work and where I live without being searched by the gardai is a natural right.

Show me where this natural right is in law?

Miguel_Sanchez

CiaranC wrote: »

Walking to and from my place of work and where I live without being searched by the gardai is a natural right.

When there's a security risk those rights have to be curtailed though. That's the way it is unfortunately.

CiaranC

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Show me where this natural right is in law?

:rolleyes:

FreudianSlippers

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

When there's a security risk those rights have to be curtailed though. That's the way it is unfortunately.

+1


Not to mention it's for everyone's bloody good. I don't know about you CiaranC, but I don't exactly want to be blown up by some idiot who wants to kill some stupid old woman.

Look, I'm no fan of the monarchy or any part of this island being a part of the UK, but the Queen is a figurehead and this visit will be good for the country.

FreudianSlippers

CiaranC wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You can't then I guess. Typical.

Plazaman

Section 2.1.12 - An Garda Siochana may stop and search any pedestrians within the Security Zone and are at liberty to use the anal probe (120V, yes the big one) if needs be

That has to be a violation of human rights.

I'm definitely carrying Vaseline with me round the city with me on Saturday.

Gavin "shels"

markpb wrote: »

What businesses will close for the day?

Well my mam works in Revenue on O'Connell St and they're closed to the public when she's in the Garden of Rememberance.

freeze4real wrote: »

I bloody have exams on those days.

Same as myself, although I'll be going from the southside to Tallaght, but still there will probably be delays with the buses.

CiaranC

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I don't exactly want to be blown up by some idiot who wants to kill some stupid old woman.

What a load of horse ****, I am not going to be "blown up" and am not about to start cheerleading this stasi-like nonsense and wetting myself because Im scared of some phantom bogeyman.

You can't then I guess. Typical.

Go and google "Natural right" before you get up on your high horse there

Mr Jinx

CiaranC wrote: »

Driving is not a right, it is a priviledge. Walking to and from my place of work and where I live without being searched by the gardai is a natural right.

Have you ever been stopped and searched on your way to work?, you will prob go through all of next week without anything happening to you.

Fuinseog

MajorMax wrote: »

What the hell is a secure zone? As I asked in my original post what ACT gives the Guards the right to ignore my civil rights

yeah, those guards must think they are some kind of police force. Are we living in some kind of fascist state where the police tell us what to do? If I throw a rock at the queen they had better not abuse my civil rights by arresting me.

AnonoBoy

CiaranC wrote: »

What a load of horse ****, I am not going to be "blown up" and am not about to start cheerleading this stasi-like nonsense and wetting myself because Im scared of some phantom bogeyman.

Sure nobody has ever been hurt by a bomb in Ireland. It's all made up lads. Yay!

"Stasi-like nonsense" - Brilliant!

You'd want to go and look up what the Stasi actually did. The temporary right to stop/search people because of heightened security risks is small fry to what they got up to. And yes before you ask I firmly believe that the Gardai aren't going to keep doing it after the Queen and Obama has left.

You actually believe that there's absolutely zero security risk?

FreudianSlippers

CiaranC wrote: »

What a load of horse ****, I am not going to be "blown up" and am not about to start cheerleading this stasi-like nonsense and wetting myself because Im scared of some phantom bogeyman.


Go and google "Natural right" before you get up on your high horse there

Ok, I googled it. I see a wikipedia article about philosophical "natural rights"; Nothing to do with Irish law.