Will we ever see a black Taoiseach/President in Ireland?

jimpump

Nobody ever thought it would happen in the US so what are the odds of it happening here?

Blink182rock

5/1

questionmark?

To be fair we dont even have a black td! Maybe in the future but dats a long way off!

3hn2givr7mx1sc

The current mayor of Portlaoise is black.

Biggins

questionmark? wrote: »

To be fair we dont even have a black td! Maybe in the future but dats a long way off!

Maybe not that far off!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/asylumseeker-from-nigeria-becomes-the-first-black-irish-mayor-455338.html

jimpump

questionmark? wrote: »

To be fair we dont even have a black td! Maybe in the future but dats a long way off!

im thinkin maybe 50-100 years

ilovesleep

we only get fat, ugly, greedy ones usually

Mark200

Well we have a much smaller black population than America. I'd say it'll be a while, but not because of racism or anything.

The Scientician

I'd say it's possible within the next 30 years. It depends on how many black TDs get elected and if any of them work their way to the top of their respective parties. I suppose a black President would be more probable because you can be elected to that post without necessarily being a big deal politically. In so far as "native" Irish people are racist I imagine it would be easier for a black candidate with an Irish name and/or one Irish parent to get to either position.

celj

Can't see it happening for a long time.

"Sure dares tha queaaaaaarrrreeee fella tinkin he can be president,dare'll be no queaaaaaarrrreeees in the aras if I can help it"

Derfil

In time its a possibility rather than a probability. Right now the population of black people just aint big enough. Hard to see where a population explosion of black people would come from to make it a probability.

Micky Dolenz

If this question was asked 25 years you could replace black for woman.

No doubt we will have people of other races in high government and state positions before long.

Dangerous Man

I'd hope not!
























joke.

Dravokivich

Get that Irish guy from Shawshank Redemption.

Biggins

Dravokivich wrote: »

Get that Irish guy from Shawshank Redemption.

Red?
(Morgan Freeman)

The Princess Bride

ilovesleep wrote: »

we only get fat, ugly, greedy ones usually

If you mean TDs, I disagree.... have you seen Sinn Féin's Pearse Doherty, he's a fine thing

jimpump

Derfil wrote: »

In time its a possibility rather than a probability. Right now the population of black people just aint big enough. Hard to see where a population explosion of black people would come from to make it a probability.

you obviously never been to blanchardstown in dublin!

Predator_

jimpump wrote: »

Nobody ever thought it would happen in the US so what are the odds of it happening here?

With angle Saxon extreme liberalism anything is possible. Hopefully this disgusting ideology is destroyed before anything like that happens though.

syklops

America was discovered in 1492.

Blacks first arrived in America in 1607.

So, it took 404 years until a black man was elected president.

<<Not racsism, Fact!>>
Before about 1985, the only black people in Ireland were students of the Royal College of Students, or member of the Diplomatic Corps.

So maybe around the year 2385 we might have one.

mikemac

baz2009 wrote: »

The current mayor of Portlaoise is black.

That fraud? He set this cause back a long time
Came to Ireland claiming asylum from religious persecution in 2000

Yet he was a driver on the tube in London and then got residency in Ireland as his child was born here, oh how so convenient.
From wikipedia (yes I know the inaccuary claims)
"Adebari says he travelled to Ireland directly from Nigeria, via Paris, and never worked or lived in London at any time."
What happened to claiming asylum in the first safe country you stop in?

Is France not safe? And if for years there were no direct flights between Ireland and Nigeria how did it happen so many ended up here?

Does nobody else remember the heavily pregnant ladies landing in Ireland and boom, citizenship for the child.
Until Michael McDowell got a referendum passed with a large majority to stop the nonsense.

samsemtex

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

If this question was asked 25 years you could replace black for woman.

No doubt we will have people of other races in high government and state positions before long.

Well thats not really relevant since 50% of the population are women. How many are black?

orourkeda

pamela izevbekhai for taoiseach

Doc

Biggins wrote: »

Red?
(Morgan Freeman)

He's Irish in the book.

It wasn't me!

Predator_ wrote: »

With angle Saxon extreme liberalism anything is possible. Hopefully this disgusting ideology is destroyed before anything like that happens though.

Are you saying Irish society is liberal to the point of extremism? Irish society where I can't buy a beer to take home after ten, where a woman can't undergo an abortion, where our age of consent is among the highest in the world? Yep, we're a real bastion of demon liberalism.

charlemont

When the children of all immigrants grow up, their will be plenty of them active in politics, personally I see the immigrants taking a greater role in driving this country forward, considering we cant do it right anyway, iv no doubt they will do a better job too.

orourkeda

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Are you saying Irish society is liberal to the point of extremism? Irish society where I can't buy a beer to take home after ten, where a woman can't undergo an abortion, where our age of consent is among the highest in the world? Yep, we're a real bastion of demon liberalism.

So abortion is "liberal" now is it?

Mrmoe

Sure didn't we have Bertie, the Irish are the blacks of Europe. Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. The Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin.

amacachi

syklops wrote: »

America was discovered in 1492.

Blacks first arrived in America in 1607.

So, it took 404 years until a black man was elected president.

<<Not racsism, Fact!>>
Before about 1985, the only black people in Ireland were students of the Royal College of Students, or member of the Diplomatic Corps.

So maybe around the year 2385 we might have one.

LOL, good one. :rolleyes:

orourkeda

charlemont wrote: »

When the children of all immigrants grow up, their will be plenty of them active in politics, personally I see the immigrants taking a greater role in driving this country forward, considering we cant do it right anyway, iv no doubt they will do a better job too.

Which begs the obvious question, why didnt they stay at home to improve their own country if they are so much better than us?

mikemac

charlemont wrote: »

personally I see the immigrants taking a greater role in driving this country forward, considering we cant do it right anyway, iv no doubt they will do a better job too.

Ah self hate and low self confidence, now there is a real Irish trait.
You'd almost think there was no corruption or crime elsewhere in the world....
Or Africa and Mugabe or Idi Amin or Charles Taylor or even terrorists in South Africa are examples to follow

We are an independent nation for 90 years and even early governments took great risks and succeeded liked Ardnacrusha.
Less of the self hate

TangyZizzle

orourkeda wrote: »

Which begs the obvious question, why didnt they stay at home to improve their own country if they are so much better than us?

Because they were either children or had not been born yet, lol.

partyndbs

while racism is a big problem in ireland electing a black taoiseach dusnt have the same cultural meaning for ireland that it does in usa. ireland could have a black president but when it happens i dont think there will be a big deal about it coz it will have happened in a few countries by then(france engand etc.)

sure leo veradkaar is half indian and cud be taoiseach sooo

jimpump

since this country gives such a crap about the queen visiting i think having a black or foreign taoiseach would cause a civil war

Biggins

Doc wrote: »

He's Irish in the book.

Yes, I know.
The maker of the film took the usual artistic license with the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_2AJIjKzr8

OPENROAD

orourkeda wrote: »

Which begs the obvious question, why didnt they stay at home to improve their own country if they are so much better than us?

OPENROAD

partyndbs wrote: »

sure leo veradkaar is half indian and cud be taoiseach sooo

Really :eek: so am I sort of, well 1/4, though I don't view myself as such.

Vote OPENROAD for Taoiseach imo

mikemac

orourkeda wrote: »

Which begs the obvious question, why didnt they stay at home to improve their own country if they are so much better than us?

Because their parents landed in Ireland or the UK right before the baby was due.
Baby born, citizenship given. Now let's ask the state what they can do for this citizen and its parents

Michael McDowell had a solution, Labour Party seem to welcome everyone to these shores. They opposed the referendum which passed with over 79% of the vote. Labour party ignoring their members and being champagne socialists and desperate to be seen as inclusive

Run_to_da_hills

jimpump wrote: »

Nobody ever thought it would happen in the US so what are the odds of it happening here?

Never because they would be blue not black in this country.

Dhuine Gorm.

JBnaglfar

Biggins wrote: »

Yes, I know.
The maker of the film took the usual artistic license with the film.

At least it is mentioned in the film when they first talk to one another.

Andy: 'Why do they call you Red?'
Red: 'Maybe its 'cos I'm Irish'

/off topic part of the post.

I think its certainly a possibility, and will probably happen - as I think has already been mentioned - once black people rise up through parties and gain experience in our political system.

kincsem

Barack Obama is visiting. I think he is black, a president, and will be in Ireland.

Duckworth_Luas

charlemont wrote: »

When the children of all immigrants grow up, their will be plenty of them active in politics, personally I see the immigrants taking a greater role in driving this country forward, considering we cant do it right anyway, iv no doubt they will do a better job too.

In the name of Aonghus McAnally and all that's holy, what the hell was that shyte all about?

Biggins

Don't honestly know when but it will happen, its just a matter of, if most of us will be alive to see it?

T2daK

baz2009 wrote: »

The current mayor of Portlaoise is black.

lol

Nephew

orourkeda wrote: »

pamela izevbekhai for taoiseach

Genital mutilations for some, miniature Ireland flags for others.

stevejr

Nephew wrote: »

Genital mutilations for some, miniature Ireland flags for others.

Too soon....

SharpshooterTom

The world is becoming mixed raced.

The whole world is gradually becoming multicoloured. This country will have a multiracial majority at some point in future, as will the whole of europe/world.

So of course it will happen. The concept of 'races' as we know them is dying out. And thank god for it.

Daegerty

Gnobe wrote: »

The world is becoming mixed raced.

The whole world is gradually becoming multicoloured. This country will have a multiracial majority at some point in future, as will the whole of europe/world.

So of course it will happen. The concept of 'races' as we know them is dying out. And thank god for it.

so in the end we will just have a lot of people with a nice tan

we could spray paint the existing taoiseach, it would be cheaper than getting a new black one

Micky Dolenz

samsemtex wrote: »

Well thats not really relevant since 50% of the population are women. How many are black?

It's not about population percentage, it's about society's perception . And that is changing.

Duckworth_Luas

Gnobe wrote: »

The world is becoming mixed raced.

The whole world is gradually becoming multicoloured. This country will have a multiracial majority at some point in future, as will the whole of europe/world.

So of course it will happen. The concept of 'races' as we know them is dying out. And thank god for it.

I prefer Pepsi!

Logical Fallacy

syklops wrote: »

America was discovered in 1492.

Blacks first arrived in America in 1607.

So, it took 404 years until a black man was elected president.

<<Not racsism, Fact!>>
Before about 1985, the only black people in Ireland were students of the Royal College of Students, or member of the Diplomatic Corps.

So maybe around the year 2385 we might have one.

The only problem i can see with your logic is "America" didn't have any president at all until 1789.

My name is URL

It'll be a fair few years yet given our ineffective system for insuring integration and our tradition of parish-pump politics.