Lord James of Blackheath, North African Terrorists,"Don't wan't to talk about that.."

uprising2

Because that's still a security issue........Lord James of Blackheath, at 2:00 in this video.
I was just thinking earlier, it actually popped into my head driving along the M50, something just popped in, it was words used in the below video of Lord James in the house of Lords that we discussed here before, firstly he stated that he had laundered "Terrorist" money, his biggest client was the IRA, to some the IRA are freedom fighters, to some terrorists.
I don't want to talk about whether they are freedom fighters or terrorists!!

It's the next part of what he says that made me think, his exact word's are "I've also had extensive connections with North African terrorists, but that's of a far nastier nature and I don't want to talk about that because that's still a security issue".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE

So it's still a security issue on 1st November 2010, now what do we see in North Africa, Libya, Egypt, Tunisia.....

The announcement that Rachid Ghannouchi, Tunisia’s leading Islamist agitator, is to return home from exile in (where else?) London certainly should raise alarm bells in some quarters


There are other revolutions going on now that the west ain't intersested in, the 3 they did take notice of were

Tunisia:

Tunisia R.I.P:The CIA’S Jasmine Revolution

1987 – Prime Minister Zine El Abidine Ben Ali became president in a coup d’etat. He declared President Habib Bourguiba “impeached on medical grounds”.

2000 – President Ben Ali broke all diplomatic ties with Israel

October 2010 – Sakhr El Materi, chairman of the Tunisia-US Parliamentary Friendship Group, had talks with top Americans in the Pentagon and the State Department.

November 2010 – A cable from the US embassy in Tunis released by wikileaks describes Tunisia’s President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali’s family entourage as a “quasi Mafia” because of its “organized corruption”.

7 January 2011 – the Council on Foreign Relations’s Elliott Abrams (Elliott Abrams: Is Tunisia Next?) seems to suggest that the fall of Ben Ali would be a good thing.

Many sources reported that Mohamed Bouazizi didn't die??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi

‘Slap which led to revolution didn’t happen’

Assange Apologists Credit Wikileaks for Tunisian Revolution


Tunisian court drops charges against policewoman who inadvertently sparked Arab revolt


Tunisian Wikileaks Putsch: CIA Touts Mediterranean Tsunami of Coups


Egypt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZQWdHivnkE

Egypt Color Revolution by CIA, MI6

Libya:

Say no more.............


So could there be any connection between the freedom fighters and Lord James speech that was fobbed off as nothing really...., are his "terrorists in North Africa" actually the freedom fighters we hear of today on the news etc....?

Basically how much of a connection is there between the west and the revolutions and wars now being carried out like a tidal wave across North Africa.

enno99

Breaking news Lord James of Blackheath has spoken in the House of Lords holding evidence of three transactions of 5 Trillion each and a transaction of 750,000 metric tonnes of gold and has called for an investigation

http://www.rayservers.com/blog/Lord%20James%20of%20Blackheath

Jonny7

What is the context of the breaking news?

He's just talking about a ridiculous scam.

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

What is the context of the breaking news?

He's just talking about a ridiculous scam.

Or maybe he's talking about a massive amount of missing money used to secretly fund uprisings, pay mercenaries, buy weapons covertly, ship them off, keep the war machine moving, maybe?

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Or maybe he's talking about a massive amount of missing money used to secretly fund uprisings, pay mercenaries, buy weapons covertly, ship them off, keep the war machine moving, maybe?

It's not plausible. It's not even possible.

Do I have to even explain this?

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

It's not plausible. It's not even possible.

Do I have to even explain this?

Ever heard of Iran-Contra?

stuar

This is a bit fishy, a couple of days ago Blackheath is still talking about Yohannes Riyadi and trillions of dollars, and profits from interest on money that may not even exist, money laundering by a major goverment, threats to governments and not a penny of interest does the Federal Bank of New York want paid on that vast amount, $16 trillion.

There are three possible conclusions which may come from it. First, there may have been a massive piece of money-laundering committed by a major Government who should know better. Effectively, it undermined the integrity of a British bank, the Royal Bank of Scotland, in doing so. The second possibility is that a major American department has an agency which has gone rogue on it because it has been wound up and has created a structure out of which it is seeking to get at least €50 billion as a pay-off. The third possibility is that this is an extraordinarily elaborate fraud, which has not been carried out, but which has been prepared to provide a threat to one Government or more if they do not make a pay-off. These three possibilities need an urgent review.

The next thing that is wrong with it is that every bank on this list, without exception, is an MTN-registered bank, which means that they are registered to use medium-term notes to move funds between themselves with an agreed profit-share formula, in which case these banks are investing this money and, most extraordinarily, not a penny of interest does the Federal Bank of New York want paid on that vast amount, $16 trillion. Anyone who knows what the IMF rules are will immediately smell a rat. The IMF has very strict rules for validating dodgy money. There are two ways of doing it. You either pass it through a major central bank like the Bank of England, which apparently refused to touch this, or you put it through an MTN-trading bank, which is then able to use the funds on the overnight European MTN trading market where they can earn between 1 per cent and 2.5 per cent profit per night. The compound interest on that sum is huge. If it is genuine, a vast profit is being made on this money somewhere.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201212/ldhansrd/text/120216-0002.htm#column_1016

In April and May 2009, the situation started with the alleged transfer of $5 trillion to HSBC in the United Kingdom. Seven days later, another $5 trillion came to HSBC and three weeks later another $5 trillion

And in 2007 the Federal Reserve were talking about him also;

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Scam Involving Yohannes Riyadi and/or Wilfredo Saurin[/FONT]
November 2007
The Federal Reserve is aware of a fraudulent scam involving individuals using the names Yohannes Riyadi and/or Wilfredo Saurin, or persons claiming to be representatives of these two men. In a typical version of this scam, Mr. Riyadi and/or his delegates falsely claim that they have on deposit with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York several U.S. Treasury Checks issued to Mr. Riyadi amounting to billions of dollars.
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York has been contacted by several brokers and financial institutions worldwide inquiring about the validity of this fraudulent account documentation, which is being offered as collateral for lines of credit or other types of asset based financing. The fraudulent scheme includes multiple documents which purport to have the signatures of various Federal Reserve officials, including Chairman Ben Bernanke.
In some instances, individuals involved in this fraudulent scheme claim to have met with Federal Reserve officials and claim to have verified that the alleged account is in order. We have also learned that the fraud may include the purchase of certain documents by the introducing brokers.
If you have information regarding this fraud please contact either Robert Amenta, Special Investigator at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, or Erik Rosenblatt, Senior Special Agent at the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

http://www.ny.frb.org/banking/frscams.html


Jonny explain why it is impossible for secret scams cannot be set up to covertly fund "foreign policy".

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Ever heard of Iran-Contra?

Read the material.

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Jonny explain why it is impossible for secret scams cannot be set up to covertly fund "foreign policy".

Nope use some common sense, reasoning and and read the material again.

here's some clues..

15 trillion is a little bigger than the US military budget this year, in fact it covers approx the last two decades of US military spending.

750,000 tons of gold doesn't exist.

Di0genes

People who believe in this conspiracy theory probably should avoid reading e-mails from Nigerian Princes.

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

Nope use some common sense, reasoning and and read the material again.

here's some clues..

15 trillion is a little bigger than the US military budget this year, in fact it covers approx the last two decades of US military spending.

750,000 tons of gold doesn't exist.

I don't think you caught my jist, the 15 trillion doesnt actually exist in reality, but the interest was still building on fictional monopoly money, it's what the interst was spent on, covert operations where public spending couldnt be accounted for.


Now a few days ago Blackheath said:
It starts off apparently as the property of Yohannes Riyadi, who has some claims to be considered the richest man in the world. He would be if all the money that was owed to him was paid but I have seen some accounts of his showing that he owns $36 trillion in a bank. It is a ridiculous sum of money. However, $36 trillion would be consistent with the dynasty from which he comes and the fact that it had been effectively the emperors of Indo-China in times gone by. A lot of that money has been taken away from him, with his consent, by the American Treasury over the years for the specific purpose of helping to support the dollar.

Mr Riyadi has sent me a remarkable document dated February 2006 in which the American Government have called him to a meeting with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which is neither the Federal Reserve nor a bank. It is a bit like "Celebrity Big Brother". It has three names to describe it and none of them is true. This astonishing document purports to have been a meeting, which was witnessed by Mr Alan Greenspan, who signed for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York of which he was chairman, as well as chairman of the real Federal Reserve in Washington. It is signed by Mr Timothy Geithner as a witness on behalf of the International Monetary Fund. The IMF sent two witnesses, the other being Mr Yusuke Horiguchi. These gentlemen have signed as witnesses to the effect

16 Feb 2012 : Column 1017

that this deal is a proper deal. There are a lot of other signatures on the document. I do not have a photocopy; I have an original version of the contract."


That is what he said a few days ago, and surely the british treasury secretary could have told him that the name in question is a conman that the US stated in 2007, unless he is a CIA/MI5/MI6 or some other spook agency fiction used to gain large amounts of cash that isn't really there.

Kinda like having a girlfriend in a bank and she sticks a fictional million in your account, lets the interest grow then delete the million, but you still got the interest.

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

I don't think you caught my jist, the 15 trillion doesnt actually exist in reality, but the interest was still building on fictional monopoly money, it's what the interst was spent on, covert operations where public spending couldnt be accounted for.

He has fallen for a scammer, a well known one.

http://www.ny.frb.org/banking/frscams.html

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

He has fallen for a scammer, a well known one.

http://www.ny.frb.org/banking/frscams.html

I don't know where to start, do you actually read anything?, will you look at my post #7 above, I alraedy posted your link, so why could the treasury secretrary not tell him he's a well known scammer?

Mr Riyadi has sent me a remarkable document dated February 2006 in which the American Government have called him to a meeting with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

In 2007 he's Yohannes Riyadi and a known scammer.

In 2009 this master scammer is still using Yohannes Riyadi as his name.

Could the lord of the treasury not investigate it?, why did he ignore it?, was he in on it?

When this came about, I took it to my noble friend Lord Strathclyde and asked what we should do with it. He said, "Give it to Lord Sassoon. He is the Treasury". So I did, and my noble friend Lord Sassoon looked at it and said immediately, "This is rubbish. It is far too much money. It would stick out like a sore thumb and you cannot see it in the Royal Bank of Scotland accounts".

We have never resolved it. Today, I have this quite frightening piece of paper, which is my justification for bringing it into this meeting. It is available on the internet and I am astonished that it has not already been unearthed by the Treasury because every alarm bell in the land should be ringing if it has. It is from the general audit office of the Federal Reserve in Washington-the real Federal Reserve-and its audit

16 Feb 2012 : Column 1018

review to the end of July 2010 on the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It has on it some 20 banks listed to which $16.115 trillion is outstanding in loans. That is the sore thumb that was being looked for by my noble friend Lord Sassoon. But more particularly there are two other interesting things. The first is that Barclays Bank has $868 billion of loan, and the Royal Bank of Scotland has $541 billion, in which case one has to ask a question, because they could have earned back in three weeks their entire indebtedness and could pay off the taxpayers of Britain. Why have they not done so and could we please ask them to put a cheque in the post tonight for the whole $46 billion?

Please read my links when I post them, they tend to help inform you of what I'm talking about.

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

I don't know where to start, do you actually read anything?

There is no 15 trillion, there is no gold, there are no "interest" payments, there is no signature from Mr Greenspan, there is no conspiracy, there is nothing to discuss - perhaps only Mr James' senility.

By the way it's not the first time.

Jonny7

Woah.. I did not realise that just about every CT site was running this as a giant conspiracy revealed, proof of the NWO, etc.

I think a certain conservative peer is going to have a very interesting, and full, inbox over the few days, and I'm not just talking about Nigerian princes

jackiebaron

Jonny7 wrote: »

It's not plausible. It's not even possible.

Do I have to even explain this?

Why is it not possible? Explain.

Jonny7

jackiebaron wrote: »

Why is it not possible? Explain.

The net worth of the top 1200 billionaires in the world is not even 5 trillion. None of what Mr James is describing actually exists, except in the mind of the scammer and on whatever phoney papers he has been sending to Mr James. As a conservative life peer, and one who has had much financial and corporate experience, he shouldn't be falling for such things, but I've heard worse.

However what's ironic is the sheeplike behaviour of CT sites which just swallow this hook line and sinker. The information is not rationally disseminated, it just seems to be blindly cut and paste or put forward as yet more "proof" of whatever their audience are paranoid of (NWO, Lizard people, etc).

As I've said quite a few times, its more a case of "I want to believe" than "the truth is out there".

stuar

Jonny explain what this scammer has scammed from Blackheath?, he hasn't sought money, and a few days ago the "sore thumb" seems to have arisen, what is Blackheath being scammed of?
Please explain this scam from start to finish as simply as possible.

And I've said the money (15 trillion) most likely doesnt exist, but can you show no interest has been gained on money that didn't exist.

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Jonny explain what this scammer has scammed from Blackheath?, he hasn't sought money, and a few days ago the "sore thumb" seems to have arisen, what is Blackheath being scammed of?
Please explain this scam from start to finish as simply as possible.

And I've said the money (15 trillion) most likely doesnt exist, but can you show no interest has been gained on money that didn't exist.

Read the material, the peer explains it all. Remember none of this has actually happened, Mr James just thinks it has because it is all based on "proof" from the scammer, I'll bold the parts if you want to skip through it.

I'm going to start with my conclusions, but I'm not going to sit down when I've made them. Because I'm then going to give you the evidence to support them and hopefully present to you the reasons why I want support for an official inquiry into the mischief I want to unfold to you this afternoon.
My lords, I have been engaged in pursuit of this issue for nearly 2 years now, and I'm no further through to getting to the truth.

I think there are three possible conclusions that may come from it. I think there may have been a massive piece of money laundering committed by a major government which ought to know better and that it has effectively undermined the integrity of the British bank the Royal Bank of Scotland, in doing so. The second alternative is that a major American department has an agency that has gone rogue on it because it has been wound up and has created a structure out of which they are seeking to get at least 50 billion Euros as a payoff. And the third possibility is that this is an extraordinarily elaborate fraud which has not been carried out but which has been prepared in order to provide a threat to one government or more if they don't pay them off. So there are three possibilities and this all needs a very urgent review.

My Lords, it starts in April and May of 2009, with the alleged transfer to the United Kingdom, to HSBC of a sum of 50 trillion dollars and seven days later, in comes another 50 trillion dollars to HSBC, and then 3 weeks later another 50 trillion. 5 trillion in each case. Sorry. A total of 15 trillion dollars is alleged to have been passed into the hands of HSBC for onward transit to the Royal Bank of Scotland and we need to look at where this came from and what the history of this money is. And I have been trying to sort out the sequence by which this money has been created and from where it has come from for a long time.

It starts off apparently as the property of a man called Yohannes Riyadi. Which has some claims to be the richest man in the world. Well he would be if all the money that was owed to him was paid, but I have seen accounts of his showing he owns 36 trillion dollars in a bank. And it is a ridiculous sum of money. On the other hand the 36 trillion dollars would be consistent with the dynasty from which he comes and the fact that they had been effectively the emperors of Indo-China in times gone by. But a lot of that money has been taken away from him with his consent by the American treasury over the years for the specific purpose of helping to support the dollar.

He has sent to me a really quite remarkable document which is dated in February 2006 in which the American government, according to a meeting with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which is neither a Federal Reserve, nor a Bank. It's a bit like celebrity big brother. It's got three names to describe it and none of them are true. And this document, which is quite astonishing, purports to have been a meeting. It is witnessed by Mr. Alan Greenspan, who signed for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, of which he was chairman, as well as the real Federal Reserve Bank in Washington. And it is signed by Mr. Timothy Geithner, as a witness on behalf of the International Monetary Fund who sent two witnesses, the other one being Mr. Yusuke Horiguchi and these gentlemen have signed as witnesses to the effect that this deal is a proper deal. There are a lot of other signatures on here as well. This is not a photocopy. This is an original version of the contract. Under which the American treasury has apparently got the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to offer to buy out the bonds which have been issued to Mr. Riyadi to replace the cash which has been taken from him over the previous ten years and they're giving him 500 million dollars, as a cash payment to buyout worthless bonds.

Now this is all in the agreement and it's very remarkable. I would have thought that establishing whether this is a correct piece of paper or not is just 2 phone calls away. One to Mr. Geithner and one to Mr. Greenspan. Both of whom still prosper and live, so they could easily confirm whether they signed this.(He's politically connected, why doesn't he call them?)

Mr. Riyadi has, by passing these bonds over, also put at the disposal of the U.S. Treasury the entire asset backing which he was alleged to have for the 15 trillion. I now have a letter here -- from the Bank of Indonesia, which says that the whole thing was a pack of lies. That he did not have the 750,000 tonnes of gold which was supposed to be backing it. He only had 700 tonnes. And this is really a piece of complete fabrication.

Finally, I have a letter here from Mr. Riyadi himself, who tells me he was put up to do this and that none of it was true and that he has been robbed of all his money and I'm quite prepared to recognize that one of the possibilities here is that Mr. Riyadi is himself putting this together as a forgery in order to try and win some recovery back.

But it gets more complicated than that. Because each of the 5 trillion payments that came in has been acknowledged and receipted by the executives at HSBC and again receipted by the executives at the Royal Bank of Scotland. And I have a set of the whole of those receipts for all of this money. Why would any bank want to sign 5 trillion dollars worth, 15 trillion total, of receipts if the money didn't exist. (Again why not a simple call to HSBC and RBOS to sort this out? but he's relying again on "information" from the scammer.)

The money was said to have come, first of all from the Riyadi account, to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York it was passed through JPMorgan Chase in New York for onward transit to London. The means of sending it was a SWIFT note, which ought to have been registered with the Bank of England if it was genuine. So when this happened and came about, I first of all took it to my noble friend Lord Strathclyde (sp?), and said, "what do we do with this"?

He said, give it to Lord Sassoon, he's with treasury. So we did and Lord Sassoon looked at it and said immediately, "This is rubbish -- it's far too much money, it would stick out like a sore thumb and you can't see it in the Royal Bank of Scotland accounts". Quite right. Secondly he said, "The gold backing is ridiculous, there has only ever been 1,507 tonnes of gold mined in the history of the world, so you can't have 750,000 tonnes" [Editors Note: The 1,507 tonnes is not correct, but the number is still FAR smaller than the 750,000 tonnes -- somewhere around 150,000 metric tonnes]. This is true and the third thing he said obviously was, "it's a scam", and I agree with him. It was a scam. The problem is we stopped looking at that point. We should have asked, what is the scam? Instead of, at that time, just nodding it off. And we have never really resolved this, because today, I have this piece of paper.

All the baron has to do is call the head of money transfer in either of the financial institutions or any of the signatories. Of course as a man with a corporate and financial background he shouldn't even be entertaining the thought that a single person (or any entity) can make deposits equal to the entire gross debt of the United States. Even more extraordinary the fact that he can waste time in the house of Lords trying to bring it to everyone's attention. Unless his peers are having some kind of office joke on the poor guy I'm sure someone has had a word with him by now.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

Read the material, the peer explains it all. Remember none of this has actually happened, Mr James just thinks it has because it is all based on "proof" from the scammer, I'll bold the parts if you want to skip through it.



All the baron has to do is call the head of money transfer in either of the financial institutions or any of the signatories. Of course as a man with a corporate and financial background he shouldn't even be entertaining the thought that a single person (or any entity) can make deposits equal to the entire gross debt of the United States. Even more extraordinary the fact that he can waste time in the house of Lords trying to bring it to everyone's attention. Unless his peers are having some kind of office joke on the poor guy I'm sure someone has had a word with him by now.

What makes you think that these institutions would give out information about any of their business unless in is in the form of a official investigation ?

Which is what he is asking for

The US congress find it hard enough to get information from the FED

Here is some more alleged shady dealings

LONDON: 21 June 2006 – The integrity of the international banking system is on the line this week. This is because the behaviour of certain banks is being closely watched by a team of informed observers who are privy to scandals that the banks in question hope can still be swept under their plush boardroom carpets.

Collectively, the scandals represent the most brazen attempt by banks to seize the funds of their depositors, in history. The relevant funds, which amounted – when fitfully paid out in 1989-93 – to about $27.5 trillion, are now believed to be worth approaching $70 trillion. They represent assets corralled on Presidential instructions by the US Treasury’s most distinguished Secret Service financial agent, Leo E. Wanta. He remains the Trustor of these funds

http://www.worldreports.org/news/9_crunch_time_for_the_banks_and_the_crooks

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

What makes you think that these institutions would give out information about any of their business unless in is in the form of a official investigation ?

Because Mr James is a peer with decades in the financial sector. He doesn't have to ask for confidential client information he literally has to explain the story and will be politely told its a scam.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

Because Mr James is a peer with decades in the financial sector. He doesn't have to ask for confidential client information he literally has to explain the story and will be politely told its a scam.

But he already agreed it was a scam

This is true and the third thing he said obviously was, "it's a scam", and I agree with him. It was a scam. The problem is we stopped looking at that point. We should have asked, what is the scam?



Or more important is who is running the scam ?

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

Or more important is who is running the scam ?

Its clearly stated who is running the scam. In fairness it's such an awful scam I don't think anyone, except for the Baron, is taking it too seriously.

It isn't a conspiracy theory that's for sure.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

Its clearly stated who is running the scam. In fairness it's such an awful scam I don't think anyone, except for the Baron, is taking it too seriously.

It isn't a conspiracy theory that's for sure.

You could be right but one wonders why in all the scams on the fed website this is the only one which they want you to contact this guy for a mickey mouse scam

Erik Rosenblatt, Senior Special Agent at the Department of Homeland Security

Who recieved an award for his part SIAC/new york (operation wirecutter)

SAIC/New York special agents and task force officers in charge of "Operation Wirecutter," an investigation that led to the dismantling of one of the largest Colombian-based money laundering organizations ever uncovered. Customs agents and prosecutors believe the organization laundered millions of drug trafficking profits over several years

US: In The Company Of Spies
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=7892



The company has had as part of its management, and on its Board of Directors, many well known ex-government personnel including Melvin Laird, Secretary of Defense in the Nixon administration; William Perry, Secretary of Defense for Bill Clinton; John M. Deutch, President Clinton's CIA Director; Admiral Bobby Ray Inman who served in various capacities in the NSA and CIA for the Ford, Carter and Reagan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC_%28company%29

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

Because Mr James is a peer with decades in the financial sector. He doesn't have to ask for confidential client information he literally has to explain the story and will be politely told its a scam.

And the lingering question is why hasn't he?, or as many of his peers could have pointed out months ago, it's a scam, but who is behind it is the question, if i want to pretend I have 15 trillion(which I do), then why has a british official not been told just after the federation x episode not been told its a scam?, maybe an official agency is behind this scam and making money from nothing (interest) on money that only exists on paper, unless the establishment were in on it, funding black ops from nothing but making millions on interest, all funnelled to the NORTH AFRICAN TERRORISTS from the OP, try objective thinking for once, at least once.

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

And the lingering question is why hasn't he?, or as many of his peers could have pointed out months ago, it's a scam, but who is behind it is the question, if i want to pretend I have 15 trillion(which I do), then why has a british official not been told just after the federation x episode not been told its a scam?, maybe an official agency is behind this scam and making money from nothing (interest) on money that only exists on paper, unless the establishment were in on it, funding black ops from nothing but making millions on interest, all funnelled to the NORTH AFRICAN TERRORISTS from the OP, try objective thinking for once, at least once.

Well the peer is no spring chicken, and I question his mental state, but as a member of the house of Lords only intervention by the Queen or an act of parliament can remove him.

There is no 15 trillion, just false paperwork for it. There is no deposit or transaction with HSBC, again false paperwork - therefore there is no interest.

The whole thing doesn't exist so we don't need to speculate further.

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

Well the peer is no spring chicken, and I question his mental state, but as a member of the house of Lords only intervention by the Queen or an act of parliament can remove him.

There is no 15 trillion, just false paperwork for it. There is no deposit or transaction with HSBC, again false paperwork - therefore there is no interest.

The whole thing doesn't exist so we don't need to speculate further.

Ok Jonny, you lift the carpet and I'll brush it all under it, that ok with you?

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Ok Jonny, you lift the carpet and I'll brush it all under it, that ok with you?

I work in the industry, I have had many dealings with scammers, I explain something in clear plain English. Yet..

stuar

Your a scammer?, not a very good one.

We all agree it's a scam, and the sore thumb seems to suggest it was a successful one, blackheath laundered IRA money, that in itself asks questions without answers, do you believe he'd be looking for an official investigation if there was nothing to see?

What industry do you work in?, financial?, how are profits made in that industry?.

He goes on to say the audit from the federal reserve bank of newyork is showing up money and loans to British banks that were not there before, and that it undermines the integrity of a British bank by presumably the federal reserve of newyork who are loaning or wiring loans to banks on money that doesn't exist, that's kinda the gist I'm getting.

Also Jonny can you explain the scam to those of us who don't work in the industry, in your own words and layman terms, please!.

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Also Jonny can you explain the scam to those of us who don't work in the industry, in your own words and layman terms, please!.

He's an old man that has been conned by an elaborate scam. He is suspicious but partially believes in this scam (and others) and has spoken about it in the house of Lords.

If he wants to stand up and say the moon is made of cheese and detail his reasons for it - he can. No one can really stop him.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the moon is actually made of cheese, or that there's a cheese conspiracy by cheese-makers to sell more Bree. In all likeliness it would probably mean little more than the man is getting a bit senile.

If, on the other hand, someone believes that everything is a conspiracy (like most CT sites) then yes they can draw whatever conclusions they want from anything, including this incident.

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

He's an old man that has been conned by an elaborate scam. He is suspicious but partially believes in this scam (and others) and has spoken about it in the house of Lords.

If he wants to stand up and say the moon is made of cheese and detail his reasons for it - he can. No one can really stop him.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the moon is actually made of cheese, or that there's a cheese conspiracy by cheese-makers to sell more Bree. In all likeliness it would probably mean little more than the man is getting a bit senile.

If, on the other hand, someone believes that everything is a conspiracy (like most CT sites) then yes they can draw whatever conclusions they want from anything, including this incident.

But that doesn't explain any scam, can you explain the ins and outs of the scam rather than say he's senile and the moon is made of cheese, you work in the industry and have encountered scammers, but senile and cheese don't make me understand how you percieve this scam to work or not work, it's a cop out from a genuine question.

I'll ask again, HOW DOES THIS SCAM OR NON SCAM WORK?

There is clearly a monumental fraud going on here. The gold clearly doesn’t exist, the bonds therefore are clearly not real. It’s easy to pass this off as a complete fabrication. However according to Blackheath the $5 trillion transactions, totaling $15 trillion, do actually appear on the books of HSBC and RBS!
“Why would any bank want to sign 5 trillion dollars worth, 15 trillion total, of receipts if the money didn’t exist?”

“The money was said to have come, first of all from the Riyadi account, to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York through JPMorgan Chase and then to the Banks in London.”
Lord Blackheath then noted that the Federal Reserve audit review from July of 2010 lists 20 banks from all over the world, who have a total of $16.115 trillion in outstanding loans with 0% interest. This would seem to correlate with the mysterious $15 trillion.


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Lord James Blackheath claims to have gathered documentation of a possible monumental financial fraud involving HSBC, RBS, the American Federal Reserve, JP Morgan Chase, the IMF and a man going by the name of Yohannes Riyadi.
Speaking to a handful of his peers in the House of Lords on February 16th, Blackheath called for an investigation in to three alleged financial transactions of $5 Trillion each, with fraudulent backing of 750,000 metric tonnes of gold, an impossibility since that amount of gold has never been mined.

The purported operation began in April and May 2009, with three transfers of $5 trillion to UK bank HSBC. This was then passed on to the Royal Bank of Scotland, which taxpayers were forced to bailout only a few months later following the financial collapse.
“I have been trying to sort out the sequence by which this money has been created and from where it has come from for a long time,” says the Lord.
“It starts off apparently, as the property of a man called Yohannes Riyadi, who has some claim to be the richest man in the world. Or would do if all the money that was owed to him was paid. I have seen accounts of his showing he owns $36 trillion, which is a ridiculous sum of money. However this would be consistent with the dynasty from which he comes, effectively the emperors of Indo-China in times gone by. But a lot of that alleged money has been taken away from him with his consent by the American treasury over the years for the specific purpose of helping to support the dollar</STRONG>,” or so the story goes.
Blackheath cites a document dated February 2006, which allegedly shows the minutes of a meeting where then Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, and then President of the New York Fed Timothy Geithner, as well as representatives of the International Monetary Fund, signed off for the New York Fed to give Mr. Riyadi a token cash payment of $500 million, to buy out Bonds held by Riyadi. 750,000 metric tonnes of gold are allegedly backing these bonds, totaling $15 trillion. This of course is ludicrous as nowhere near that amount of gold has ever been mined.
There is clearly a monumental fraud going on here. The gold clearly doesn’t exist, the bonds therefore are clearly not real. It’s easy to pass this off as a complete fabrication. However according to Blackheath the $5 trillion transactions, totaling $15 trillion, do actually appear on the books of HSBC and RBS!
“Why would any bank want to sign 5 trillion dollars worth, 15 trillion total, of receipts if the money didn’t exist?” He asks his peers.
Perhaps to line their own pockets?
Blackheath continues:
“The money was said to have come, first of all from the Riyadi account, to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York through JPMorgan Chase and then to the Banks in London.”

Lord Blackheath then noted that the Federal Reserve audit review from July of 2010 lists 20 banks from all over the world, who have a total of $16.115 trillion in outstanding loans with 0% interest. This would seem to correlate with the mysterious $15 trillion.


It’s possible he’s a crazy fantasist or simply falling for elaborate hoaxes. Yohannes Riyadi does not appear to exist under that name and the $16 trillion of Fed bailouts are widely recognized as simply the Fed creating money out of thin air like it usually does. It’s also possible he’s being played for ulterior motives by people that do actually have some kind of influence. Either way, with what’s at stake his claims shouldn’t simply be ignored, and a proper investigation, even just to rule him deluded would be a good idea.
http://wideshut.co.uk/lord-blackheath-exposes-possible-monumental-financial-fraud/

Below is one of the strangest stories in financial history, one involving the US government lying about hundreds of thousands of tons of imaginary gold, illegal wire transfers and loans totalling $15 trillion. The video, from the House of Lords, is amazing in itself.
What it doesn’t express is where the money came from though Lord James of Blackheath proves conclusively that an effort was made to say it came from a gold reserve in Brunei that, in fact, never existed.
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/02/22/trillion-dollar-terror-exposed-bush-fed-europe-banks-in-15-trillion-fraud-all-documented-veterans-today/#more-49148

Jonny please ignore these links until after you explain how the scam works or doesnt and how and why James of Blackheath is being scammed, because you havent done so yet, although you work in the industry.

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

I'll ask again, HOW DOES THIS SCAM OR NON SCAM WORK?

The ins and outs of it of this particular scam aren't given but they work by very commonly by getting a financial institution to accept cash/credit/bonds/bills/etc which, in reality, do not exist.

Making this as basic as I can - The scammer tries to approach banks himself - but will prefer to have a credible middle man - e.g. in this case, house of Lords member, to help the scammer persuade the bank to accept a fake deposit.

If you can make a fake one of these, you can't just walk up to a bank, they'll be suspicious, however if you know a politician, senior figure or... house of Lords member, who believes you and will contact the bank for you - bingo.

Scammers often have intricate forgeries, fake companies setup, perfect documents, etc - but they just make incredibly stupid mistakes - like claiming to have a net worth of 36 trillion.

enno99

The U.S. Federal Reserve gave out $16.1 trillion in emergency loans to U.S. and foreign financial institutions between Dec. 1, 2007 and July 21, 2010, according to figures produced by the government’s first-ever audit of the central bank.

Last year, the gross domestic product of the entire U.S. economy was $14.5 trillion.

Of the $16.1 trillion loaned out, $3.08 trillion went to financial institutions in the U.K., Germany, Switzerland, France and Belgium, the Government Accountability Office’s (GAO) analysis shows.

Additionally, asset swap arrangements were opened with banks in the U.K., Canada, Brazil, Japan, South Korea, Norway, Mexico, Singapore and Switzerland. Twelve of those arrangements are still ongoing, having been extended through August 2012.

Out of all borrowers, Citigroup received the most financial assistance from the Fed, at $2.5 trillion. Morgan Stanley came in second with $2.04 trillion, followed by Merill Lynch at $1.9 trillion and Bank of America at $1.3 trillion

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/21/audit-fed-gave-16-trillion-in-emergency-loans/


RESIGNATIONS FROM WORLD BANKS

Top executives from banks from Russia/ Korea/ Switzerland /UK etc

http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/and-now-even-more-heres-whats-going-on-with-those-bankers-articles-thanks-w-at-rmn/#more-9058

More than 30 resignations in the last 6 months

(sample)
(6) 12/15/11 (UNITED KINGDOM) Senior private banker resigns from Coutts [a very exclusive private bank]

Not sure if this is unusual or not but it seems strange

IsaacWunder

A mad old Tory. If it was a real conspiracy involving $15 billion he'd be taken aside, told by someone senior that if he keeps his gob shut he'll get a knighthood, and that would be that. If it was a real conspiracy involving $15 trillion he'd be dead.

Big money laundering does go on through legitimate banks regularly. Last year, for example, Wachovia bank was fined a pittance for laundering nearly $400 billion in Mexican drug money. The culture was to turn a bind eye to suspicious transactions. The bank even tried to fire their own top anti-money laundering investigator who obviously hadn't got the message to look the other way. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

stuar

enno99 wrote: »

The U.S. Federal Reserve gave out $16.1 trillion in emergency loans to U.S. and foreign financial institutions between Dec. 1, 2007 and July 21, 2010, according to figures produced by the government’s first-ever audit of the central bank.

Last year, the gross domestic product of the entire U.S. economy was $14.5 trillion.

Of the $16.1 trillion loaned out, $3.08 trillion went to financial institutions in the U.K., Germany, Switzerland, France and Belgium, the Government Accountability Office’s (GAO) analysis shows.

Additionally, asset swap arrangements were opened with banks in the U.K., Canada, Brazil, Japan, South Korea, Norway, Mexico, Singapore and Switzerland. Twelve of those arrangements are still ongoing, having been extended through August 2012.

Out of all borrowers, Citigroup received the most financial assistance from the Fed, at $2.5 trillion. Morgan Stanley came in second with $2.04 trillion, followed by Merill Lynch at $1.9 trillion and Bank of America at $1.3 trillion

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/21/audit-fed-gave-16-trillion-in-emergency-loans/


RESIGNATIONS FROM WORLD BANKS

Top executives from banks from Russia/ Korea/ Switzerland /UK etc

http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/and-now-even-more-heres-whats-going-on-with-those-bankers-articles-thanks-w-at-rmn/#more-9058

More than 30 resignations in the last 6 months

(sample)
(6) 12/15/11 (UNITED KINGDOM) Senior private banker resigns from Coutts [a very exclusive private bank]

Not sure if this is unusual or not but it seems strange

Do you work in the industry enno, simply because you gave the answer I was seeking from Jonny who works in the industry but has no answers to simple questions, I really don't know where or when this was hatched or why keep a known bogus identity in the picture, but it seems a major fraud has occured with the knowing, knowing.
I'm keeping my cards close to my chest for now, but what I'm getting I cannot verify yet, there is and was a massive fraud committed and in time it will be revealed, thank you enno, you put me and us a little closer to the truth. Good Man!

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Do you work in the industry enno, simply because you gave the answer I was seeking from Jonny who works in the industry but has no answers to simple questions, I really don't know where or when this was hatched or why keep a known bogus identity in the picture, but it seems a major fraud has occured with the knowing, knowing.
I'm keeping my cards close to my chest for now, but what I'm getting I cannot verify yet, there is and was a massive fraud committed and in time it will be revealed, thank you enno, you put me and us a little closer to the truth. Good Man!

If you believe there is a massive fraud, but you have zero idea what it is, then that is "belief before facts" i.e. same as religious belief - faith based, except in this case, suspicion-based. I suspect ergo it must exist. You will search for "proof" which can manifest itself in almost anything, e.g. this story. It has to be "part of the puzzle".

What did you extrapolate from what Enno said? even he has confessed he is unsure what any of that means.

I explained the scam. Therefore there is no conspiracy. You appear to want to find one regardless.

If you have questions, number them and I will answer each one.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

If you believe there is a massive fraud, but you have zero idea what it is, then that is "belief before facts" i.e. same as religious belief - faith based, except in this case, suspicion-based. I suspect ergo it must exist. You will search for "proof" which can manifest itself in almost anything, e.g. this story. It has to be "part of the puzzle".

What did you extrapolate from what Enno said? even he has confessed he is unsure what any of that means.

I explained the scam. Therefore there is no conspiracy. You appear to want to find one regardless.

If you have questions, number them and I will answer each one.

I was unsure if the amount of CEO,s resigning in the space of time given was unusual
And not just some shakeup that happens every few years or so
(Not being employed in the industry so I dont know)

I have a question

In fairness it's such an awful scam I don't think anyone, except for the Baron, is taking it too seriously (your words)

Why would the senior staff of the DHS be interested in this and not the other scams ?

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

I was unsure if the amount of CEO,s resigning in the space of time given was unusual
And not just some shakeup that happens every few years or so
(Not being employed in the industry so I dont know)

I have a question

In fairness it's such an awful scam I don't think anyone, except for the Baron, is taking it too seriously (your words)

Why would the senior staff of the DHS be interested in this and not the other scams ?

I don't know how the DHS works, perhaps a highly prolific scammer may be pointed out by them, or a repeat scammer, but such things are low on the radar so to speak. Its mainly individual financial institutions themselves which deal with the scammers, 99% of whom are harmless.

Daithi 1

$15 TRILLION is equivalent to the the federal debt of the U.S. Treasury Department. Lord James of Blackheath has spoken in the House of Lords holding evidence of three transactions of 5 Trillion each and a transaction of 750,000 metric tonnes of gold and has called for an investigation.

I think there are three possible conclusions that may come from it. I think there may have been a massive piece of money laundering committed by a major government which ought to know better and that it has effectively undermined the integrity of the British bank the Royal Bank of Scotland, in doing so. The second alternative is that a major American department has an agency that has gone rogue on it because it has been wound up and has created a structure out of which they are seeking to get at least 50 billion Euros as a payoff. And the third possibility is that this is an extraordinarily elaborate fraud which has not been carried out but which has been prepared in order to provide a threat to one government or more if they don't pay them off. So there are three possibilities and this all needs a very urgent review.

My Lords, it starts in April and May of 2009, with the alleged transfer to the United Kingdom, to HSBC of a sum of 5 trillion dollars and seven days later, in comes another 5 trillion dollars to HSBC, and then 3 weeks later another 5 trillion. 5 trillion in each case. Sorry. A total of 15 trillion dollars is alleged to have been passed into the hands of HSBC for onward transit to the Royal Bank of Scotland and we need to look at where this came from and what the history of this money is. And I have been trying to sort out the sequence by which this money has been created and from where it has come from for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAK5xzEYq7I

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

The ins and outs of it of this particular scam aren't given but they work by very commonly by getting a financial institution to accept cash/credit/bonds/bills/etc which, in reality, do not exist.

Making this as basic as I can - The scammer tries to approach banks himself - but will prefer to have a credible middle man - e.g. in this case, house of Lords member, to help the scammer persuade the bank to accept a fake deposit.

If you can make a fake one of these, you can't just walk up to a bank, they'll be suspicious, however if you know a politician, senior figure or... house of Lords member, who believes you and will contact the bank for you - bingo.

Scammers often have intricate forgeries, fake companies setup, perfect documents, etc - but they just make incredibly stupid mistakes - like claiming to have a net worth of 36 trillion.

Jonny I don't think you work in the industry or really have a clue what your on about, so your theory is that Yohannes Riyadi approached James to swindle 15 trillion from ?.....who.

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Jonny I don't think you work in the industry or really have a clue what your on about, so your theory is that Yohannes Riyadi approached James to swindle 15 trillion from ?.....who.

Fine, it was a corrupt NWO transaction which Lord James is trying bring to light, so the Fed are making out the original scapegoat (Younis Riyada is an anagram for a well known Mossad agent during the 70s) to be a "scammer" in order to discredit anything Lord James says - whilst at the same time the carefully orchestrated "story" makes Lord James seem "senile".

If they can't kill you, they make you look crazy.

And no I don't work in a large financial organisation, I am paid by the same organisation to go online and discredit conspiracy theorists' increasingly accurate suspicions about what is really going on.

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

Fine, it was a corrupt NWO transaction which Lord James is trying bring to light, so the Fed are making out the original scapegoat (Younis Riyada is an anagram for a well known Mossad agent during the 70s) to be a "scammer" in order to discredit anything Lord James says - whilst at the same time the carefully orchestrated "story" makes Lord James seem "senile".

If they can't kill you, they make you look crazy.

And no I don't work in a large financial organisation, I am paid by the same organisation to go online and discredit conspiracy theorists' increasingly accurate suspicions about what is really going on.

That's more like it Jonny, take a chill pill, how much are you paid to discredit conspiracy theories?

I get paid to make up crap and spread it on the net.

My next thread will be about ghost sharks that live in the Kerry mountains and eat farmers.

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

I am paid by the same organisation to go online and discredit conspiracy theorists'

I think they're gonna want their money back.

stuar

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I think they're gonna want their money back.

LOL:D

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I think they're gonna want their money back.

I was just joking, don't believe everything you read