Penalty try alternative

errlloyd

A mate kinda in jest suggested that instead of simply awarding a try, a penalty try could be changed to having 1 player from each team nominated to run a 1v1, attacker starts on the halfway.

Could be very dramatic, and I think its almost fairer, like given that a penalty try is awarded where a try almost certainly would have been. Surely the attacker will almost surely win, though sometimes lose, making it fairer?

Podge_irl

Don't see any reason to change it.

Nor do I think the attacker would "probably" score, which is the requirement for a penalty try to be given. A one on one with the defender having plenty of time to close down the attacker and with no one in support is by no means an easy try.

durkadurka

A lot of defending teams would fancy their chances I reckon

val_jester

It would take too long and what happens if the attacking player is tackled, how is play restarted. I think the penalty try situation is fine as it is at the moment. As has been said a try is only awarded if one would have been scored without the illegal action.

durkadurka

You could award a seven point penalty kick from the 22 maybe, if were in a humour for fanciful rule changes.

Almaviva

Solution in search of a problem.
Move along please.

DDC1990

I think 7 balls should be put on the half way line, and each team should line 7 men up on the goal lines. They could then race out, and a point is awarded for each ball that is claimed by the team whos penalty it was.

I also have a suggestion about Yellow Cards and doing laps for the 10 minutes as extra punishment, but I haven't thought it through fully yet.

irishbucsfan

What about each team nominates a player to race from the 22 on their hands?

How about a dance off in the middle of the pitch?

I hope your post was in jest tbh, it's just such a ridiculous thing to suggest.

WeeBushy

irishbucsfan wrote: »

What about each team nominates a player to race from the 22 on their hands?

An egg and spoon race would be fairer tbh.

irishbucsfan

WeeBushy wrote: »

An egg and spoon race would be fairer tbh.

New meaning to the term egg-chasing

irishbucsfan

Deleted User wrote: »

How about a dance off in the middle of the pitch?

Dont want to be pedantic, but I'm pretty sure it's called a Haka

WeeBushy

irishbucsfan wrote: »

New meaning to the term egg-chasing

Eggsactly

marco_polo

This would be essentially awarding cheating by giving the defending team a much better chance of getting away with preventing a certain try.

Nothing wrong with the penalty try when awarded for an appropriate offense (Which is not always the case in fairness)

John_C

It should be like a fault in snooker, when the referee puts the balls back where they were before the shot.

Everyone has to go back to where they were before the foul happened and then re-start the match.

tolosenc

What's the problem with penalty tries?

I like the suggestion on running laps for a yellow car though. Or how about 10km on an exercise bike?

hardCopy

1 on 1 with half the pitch to play in is just a foot-race. Teams with a very fast player would have little to fear from one of these penalties.

totallegend

hardCopy wrote: »

1 on 1 with half the pitch to play in is just a foot-race. Teams with a very fast player would have little to fear from one of these penalties.

Especially if the attacking team can nominate the defender; line your nippy winger up against the opposing tight-head and see what happens.


I can't believe this thread has gone to a second page.

errlloyd

Nah obviously defending team could nominate.

All other suggestions put forward are humorous enough, I did originally say you guys it was said in jest.

The real reason it comes to mind is because in no other sport does a foul close to scoring give you that score, usually there is some sort of final hurdle. I also like it because it doesn't guarantee you a straight kick at goal, and it would be the most unbelievably dramatic thing to watch.

Two class players with time and space going head to head, one on one. Soccer tried something similar with like a dribble in didn't they?

GerM

errlloyd wrote: »

The real reason it comes to mind is because in no other sport does a foul close to scoring give you that score, usually there is some sort of final hurdle.

Goaltending in basketball.

tolosenc

errlloyd wrote: »

The real reason it comes to mind is because in no other sport does a foul close to scoring give you that score, usually there is some sort of final hurdle. I also like it because it doesn't guarantee you a straight kick at goal, and it would be the most unbelievably dramatic thing to watch.

Take Luis Suarez in the World Cup quarter final vs Ghana last year. Out and out cheating, which was correctly punished according to the rules, denied Ghana a semi-final spot. Many called for the introduction of a rugby style "penalty-goal" for that kind of situation.

Basketball awards points for goal-tending. In the NFL and CFL, if the referees judge (often with the aid of video replay) that an attacker would have caught the ball and landed in the endzone were it not for interference from a defender, a touchdown is awarded. In baseball, if a fan touches the ball that would otherwise have left the field, a home run or GR double is awarded. In ice-hockey, if a penalty shot is awarded and the opposition has pulled their goalie, a goal is awarded.

Plenty of sports where the officials award scores without the attacking team having actually scored.

funky penguin

I LOVE it when a team's scrum gets mullered on the try line.

Another scrum, the crowd cheers.

Mullered again.

Another scrum, the crowd cheers, whispers of a penalty try.

Mullered, and the ref canters to the posts, the forwards congratulate themselves.

OR

The opposition suddenly gets it together at the most important time and reverse penalty decision.

I ****ing love this game.

Sangre

In rugby a team in an attacking position with an overlap (as just one example of an attacking position) are much more likely to score than a soccer player with the ball in the penalty box. This is evidenced by the number of tries vs. goals. Therefore, illegal attempts to stop a score in rugby should be more harshly punished as there is a greater chance a score was denied.

Also, there are so many more ways to stop a rugby try than the equivalent in soccer. You can illegally tackle someone off the ball, tackle the player with the ball illegally, infringe in the ruck illegally, kill a scrum illegally, slap down a pass etc., Therefore, to assist the ref, and to decrease the likelihood of this stuff, the penalty should be harsher.

There are also more opportunities to prevent a 'certain' score in rugby. For example if there is a three man overlap and the pass to the final man run it in is slapped down, or if the ball is killed in the ruck to prevent a pass to a 4v1 overlap. These are as 'certain' as you can get in sport without actually scoring. Of course, none of them are really certain until scored as a dropped ball could end it all. However, in soccer the only 'certain' goal prevention I can think of is a handball on the line, ala Suarez. It is arguable this should be punished with a goal but this issue is much rarer than in rugby so there is less chance of a great unfairness.

pickarooney

In tennis points can be awarded to an opponent if a player uses foul language or abuses his racquet.

Jemo

making it harder to get the points would just encourage cheating though in fairness. I like penalty tries from scrums now that we actually have a decent one!

danthefan

What a dreadful idea.

DonkeyPokerTour

tolosenc wrote: »

In the NFL and CFL, if the referees judge (often with the aid of video replay) that an attacker would have caught the ball and landed in the endzone were it not for interference from a defender, a touchdown is awarded.

I agree that this idea is terrible but there is no need to make up information to prove its terrible. I cant comment on the CFL as I dont watch it, but in the NFL "defensive pass interference" i.e. preventing an offensive player from catching the ball is a spot foul. I.e. the ball is placed at the spot of the foul, 1st down offense. If the foul occurs in the endzone the ball is spotted on the 1yard line, 1st down offense. A touchdown is not awarded in this case.

tolosenc

Sorry mate! Don't follow the NFL all that much. Definitely how it works in the CFL.

achtungbarry

Deleted User wrote: »

How about a dance off in the middle of the pitch?

I can just imagine it now: clubs queuing up to sign Gavin Henson.

Cool_CM

Call in the two captains.
Rock, paper, scissors.
Best of 3.

Tim Robbins

errlloyd wrote: »

A mate kinda in jest suggested that instead of simply awarding a try, a penalty try could be changed to having 1 player from each team nominated to run a 1v1, attacker starts on the halfway.

Could be very dramatic, and I think its almost fairer, like given that a penalty try is awarded where a try almost certainly would have been. Surely the attacker will almost surely win, though sometimes lose, making it fairer?

What a class idea. But what about doing it for conversions or penalities instead?

I like penalty tries because they stop teams playing cynically.

pappyodaniel

I can't imagine having to make 28 players vacate the pitch for 10 seconds.

hardCopy

achtungbarry wrote: »

I can just imagine it now: clubs queuing up to sign Gavin Henson.

I once had the pleasure of watching a Jamie Heaslip vs Mark Vaughan dance-off in Copper's.

I wouldn't want to rely on Jamie's dancing feet with 80 minutes on the clock in a H-Cup final.