WTF Rosslare Harbour??

Southsider1

I arrived in Rosslare tonight on the 6pm Stena (foot passenger) and the train was departing as we were disembarking the ferry. Now we find that the 6.30 bus to Dublin is no longer running too? So two busy ferries arrive and no train or bus to take passengers? What's going on there??

NoseyMike2010

No bus ... are you sure? There are still bus stops outside the terminal building. Best to probably check the www.buseireann.ie website.

CIE

They're still playing these same games with the train leaving before the ferry. It's not like they're building one of the many undersea railway tunnels and adjusting the track gauge to fit the connecting railways on the adjacent island and/or continent. The government has failed the people yet again.

Southsider1

NoseyMike2010 wrote: »

No bus ... are you sure? There are still bus stops outside the terminal building. Best to probably check the www.buseireann.ie website.

Apparrantley they dropped the 18:30 plus three other services last month. Obviously thw website isn't updated to reflect it yet!

admiralofthefleet

the railway service from rosslare to dublin is terrible, i get the train sometimes from arklow up and the last one leaves at around 19:15.
let leo varadker know about what happened in rosslare

foggy_lad

Southsider1 wrote: »

I arrived in Rosslare tonight on the 6pm Stena (foot passenger) and the train was departing as we were disembarking the ferry. Now we find that the 6.30 bus to Dublin is no longer running too? So two busy ferries arrive and no train or bus to take passengers? What's going on there??

the 18.30 bus is still on the timetable, are you sure you didnt arrive too late for it? they no longer wait for ferries much like the train as they are so frequent with 18 services daily from the ferryport there really is no need to delay the whole journey for a few passengers at rosslare.

PseudoFamous

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the railway service from rosslare to dublin is terrible, i get the train sometimes from arklow up and the last one leaves at around 19:15.

The last train leaves Rosslare Europort at 17.55. There is only one train after it, and that departs from Wexford at 19.30
If you mean the last to depart Arklow, I believe it actually leaves at 20.39, as I took that one before I realised that the bus is cheaper and often faster.
The timetable hasn't changed in years, and according to my uncle, it was essentially the same in 1975, except there was a handful of freights on the line.

Judgement Day

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the railway service from rosslare to dublin is terrible, i get the train sometimes from arklow up and the last one leaves at around 19:15.
let leo varadker know about what happened in rosslare

I think you have a misplaced faith in Leo Varadkar's intentions for the railways. I imagine that Rosslare Harbour/Wexford is on the closure list after Waterford/Limerick Junction and Limerick/Ballybrophy.

Incidentally, the last train from Rosslare is at 17.55 and the last one from Wexford is at 19.30.

foggy_lad

but the 19.30 from Wexford only goes to Gorey Monday-Thursday and is a bus transfer from Gorey.

19.30 Wexford to Connolly (Mondays to Thursdays) - will operate to Gorey only with bus transfers from Gorey to Bray and a DART service from Bray to Connolly.

http://irishrail.ie/news_centre/news.asp?action=view&news_id=794

Run_to_da_hills

The last train I took to Rosslare Harbour was a pair of 121's back to back hauling cravens. The train pulled up right up along side the boat, What the hell has gone wrong with CIE to remove this service. :rolleyes:

Judgement Day

The last time I caught the train from Dun Laoghaire Pier was behind J15 No.184 and a rake of **** boxes preserved stock (just pre-DART). Straight off the boat onto the train - what was wrong with that - no foot passengers on the boat. :rolleyes: I seem to remember that the infamous 1st McKinsey report into CIE found that the majority of passengers at Rosslare were foot passengers - what did CIE do but go all-out to cater for motorists. It's a chicken and egg situation and if you make the rail experience dire people will make other travel arrangements.

namloc1980

CIE wrote: »

They're still playing these same games with the train leaving before the ferry. It's not like they're building one of the many undersea railway tunnels and adjusting the track gauge to fit the connecting railways on the adjacent island and/or continent. The government has failed the people yet again.

Surely you can't blame the Govt in this instance. Poor timetabling is the responsibility of Irish Rail alone. The Govt can't micro manage timetables for IR and to blame the Govt is a bit of a cop out.

foggy_lad

Judgement Day wrote: »

The last time I caught the train from Dun Laoghaire Pier was behind J15 No.184 and a rake of **** boxes preserved stock (just pre-DART). Straight off the boat onto the train - what was wrong with that - no foot passengers on the boat. :rolleyes: I seem to remember that the infamous 1st McKinsey report into CIE found that the majority of passengers at Rosslare were foot passengers - what did CIE do but go all-out to cater for motorists. It's a chicken and egg situation and if you make the rail experience dire people will make other travel arrangements.

The rail experience has always been dire in this country, Ireland has never had any rail network or even a single line that has been up to European standards in terms of speed and comfort and price. The situation now is they are about as good as they will ever be because a lot of the dead weight like staff employed to walk platforms And lines like Waterford-rosslare as well as some of the more bizarre union working rules etc is being slowly chipped away and trains are slowly becoming better and faster

OurLadyofKnock

Southsider1 wrote: »

I arrived in Rosslare tonight on the 6pm Stena (foot passenger) and the train was departing as we were disembarking the ferry. Now we find that the 6.30 bus to Dublin is no longer running too? So two busy ferries arrive and no train or bus to take passengers? What's going on there??

CIE.

admiralofthefleet

PseudoFamous wrote: »

The last train leaves Rosslare Europort at 17.55. There is only one train after it, and that departs from Wexford at 19.30
If you mean the last to depart Arklow, I believe it actually leaves at 20.39, as I took that one before I realised that the bus is cheaper and often faster.
The timetable hasn't changed in years, and according to my uncle, it was essentially the same in 1975, except there was a handful of freights on the line.

sorry you are correct, the last service is a bus to greystones

Judgement Day wrote: »

I think you have a misplaced faith in Leo Varadkar's intentions for the railways. I imagine that Rosslare Harbour/Wexford is on the closure list after Waterford/Limerick Junction and Limerick/Ballybrophy.

Incidentally, the last train from Rosslare is at 17.55 and the last one from Wexford is at 19.30.

i posted his email because i have no faith in him

LXFlyer

The changes in March on route 2 were the cancellation of the:

0130 and 1930 departures from Rosslare
0100 and 0600 departures from Dublin Airport

The 1830 still operates as far as I'm aware. Maybe something happened to the coach?

dowlingm

As somewhere owned by CIE and served by its two transport companies, Rosslare Port should be a showcase for how CIE works as a conglomerate but instead demonstrates its dysfunction.

dowlingm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The last train I took to Rosslare Harbour was a pair of 121's back to back hauling cravens. The train pulled up right up along side the boat, What the hell has gone wrong with CIE to remove this service. :rolleyes:

Oliver Doyle, IRRS wrote:

Rosslare Europort When the re-signalling project was being designed a number of issues were raised with the existing station area within the Port of Rosslare Harbour. With few cross-channel passengers using the rail service, the need to streamline the flow of road traffic to and from the ferries and the cost of retaining the existing layout resulted in a decision to relocate the station. It was decided the turntable should be retained for steam-hauled trains. However, the salty sea spray of more than a century had eroded the side plates of the turntable to such an extent that they had large rust holes. The IÉ bridge gang repaired these to give the turntable many more years of useful life.
{snip}
The new station is nearer the village of Rosslare Harbour from where the majority of passengers come from, though it is about 8-minutes walk from the shipping terminal.

http://www.irrs.ie/Journal%20167/167%20Rosslare.htm

reggaeman

Southsider1 wrote: »

I arrived in Rosslare tonight on the 6pm Stena (foot passenger) and the train was departing as we were disembarking the ferry. Now we find that the 6.30 bus to Dublin is no longer running too? So two busy ferries arrive and no train or bus to take passengers? What's going on there??

The 18.30 from Rosslare/Dublin is still running. Its the 19.30 and 01.30 that has finished.

DWCommuter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver Doyle, IRRS
Rosslare Europort When the re-signalling project was being designed a number of issues were raised with the existing station area within the Port of Rosslare Harbour. With few cross-channel passengers using the rail service, the need to streamline the flow of road traffic to and from the ferries and the cost of retaining the existing layout resulted in a decision to relocate the station. It was decided the turntable should be retained for steam-hauled trains. However, the salty sea spray of more than a century had eroded the side plates of the turntable to such an extent that they had large rust holes. The IÉ bridge gang repaired these to give the turntable many more years of useful life.
{snip}
The new station is nearer the village of Rosslare Harbour from where the majority of passengers come from, though it is about 8-minutes walk from the shipping terminal.

"Streamline" and "give the turntable many more years of life" perfectly sums up CIEs mindset. Of course lets not even go near the point about "few cross channel passengers using the rail service".

Oliver Doyle should never have been let near any position of operating a railway in any capacity. He is part of the problem and was never anywhere near being a solution. A railway is a business and the minute you let anyone who even remotely resembles an enthusiast near it, its doomed. IE management has its fair share of "enthusiasts" and it shows.