When charged with child porn - blame society ???

PCPhoto

Seriously

why cant these people accept they are the person who needs help !!

everyone has a gripe with society and the culture of nepotism that exists in the civil service and political appointments/life....but seriously why should the courts accept this as a reason for child porn ???

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/anger-towards-society-may-have-motivated-child-pornography-offender-504050.html

court has heard a convicted sex offender who hoarded more than 35,000 child-pornography images and movie files may have been motivated by an anger towards society.

Forty-eight-year-old Adrian Savage of Millward Terrace, Meath Road, Bray, Co Wicklow, who has a masters degree in philosophy, was attending a clinical psychologist when he continued to access the material.

He was also caught by a garda, who had investigated him the previous year, downloading child pornography in an internet cafe.

His offending behaviour has been clinically assessed as “absolutely bizarre” and beyond sexual attraction.

He is to be sentenced later, having pleaded guilty to three charges of possessing child pornography on dates between September 2007 and May 2009.

Hold on a sec .... angry at society ...how could he have been angry at society in 2007 (it was all rosey then !!)

also ..... he was previously "investigated" for downloading child porn in a net cafe .... REPEATING IT and he still wants to blame you and me !!!

Saila

its all jedwards fault



/what?

18AD

What is wrong with society when there are people who think like that? :mad:

Must. Resist. Child-porn.

strokemyclover

*Steps slowly away from thread after seeing OP's username*

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Here's the interesting bit for me:

His offending behaviour has been clinically assessed as “absolutely bizarre” and beyond sexual attraction.

Plus he was caught downloading in an internet cafe. I mean... that's someone who is trying to get caught. The question then, is; why?

AckwelFoley

I dont see where the court "accepts" this as an excuse, they simply heard it.

I could go out kill the little family of black kids down the road, gut them, grill them and eath them with a side of potato wedges, and upon trial claim my motives are that i like the taste of African cuisine

Thats not a defense, its a retarded excuse, but not a defence

I'll still get Jail.


No more taste of Africa

lastlaugh

The fact anyone accesses child porn at all is “absolutely bizarre”.

He needs a sound beating and then to be chemically sterilized.

Then he can go off and think about it with his philosophy degree.

PCPhoto

snyper wrote: »

I dont see where the court "accepts" this as an excuse, they simply heard it.

I could go out kill the little family of black kids down the road, gut them, grill them and eath them with a side of potato wedges, and upon trial claim my motives are that i like the taste of African cuisine

Thats not a defense, its a retarded excuse, but not a defence

I'll still get Jail.


No more taste of Africa

bet you he wont !!!

Also - where did I say that the court accepts it ??? I asked why should the courts accept it

ArtyM

snyper wrote: »

I could go out kill the little family of black kids down the road, gut them, grill them and eath them with a side of potato wedges, and upon trial claim my motives are that i like the taste of African cuisine

Are you an animal - Surely a vegetable or at least a sauce would be expected. And I hope those are sweet potatoe wedges!

orourkeda

These people quite clearly havent watched simultaneous squirt on redtube. A 30 second snapshot of all that is good about internet porn.

Not all this kiddie porn business

Thomas828

Oh, yes, that's right, blame society! How about blaming yourself on two counts?

1) You knew that what you were doing was wrong and illegal yet you still went ahead and did it.

2) You got caught.

Einhard

I blame the children myself. They're just so damn sexy.

Eric Cartman

meh he may aswell play that card, everyone else does

traveller lad robs houses - "not his fault, society left them at a disadvantage"

people in council houses go robbing cars - "not their fault, its the area they grew up in"

people get addicted to heroin - "they were in a disadvantaged area, boo hoo its not their fault"

why shouldnt paedophiles get to play that card....

Saila

thats a bit like blaming michael jackson for bin laden's death

Logical Fallacy

Einhard wrote: »

I blame the children myself. They're just so damn sexy.







(too much?)

Nah, just a bit dated.

18AD

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Nah, just a bit dated.

Yeah. They've grown up by now.

Einhard

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Nah, just a bit dated.

That's what they say about teenagers!!:D

Callan57

Eric Cartman wrote: »

meh he may aswell play that card, everyone else does

traveller lad robs houses - "not his fault, society left them at a disadvantage"

people in council houses go robbing cars - "not their fault, its the area they grew up in"

people get addicted to heroin - "they were in a disadvantaged area, boo hoo its not their fault"

why shouldnt paedophiles get to play that card....

You forgot :
Catholic Church covered up pedophile priests but according to Pope Bennie it was all the fault of society

ArtyM

Is he not just doing what anyone facing any serious charges would do and grasping at whatever straws can be found or even created.
He obviously has a good solicitor, given that he is only facing 3 charges even though he was found to have 30k+ of material. If this is the defence he is using then his solicitor must think it has a shot at reducing the potential punishment.

Son Of A Vidic

PCPhoto wrote: »

Seriously

why cant these people accept they are the person who needs help !!

They do need some help alright and here it is.

PCPhoto

charles bronson ... I have that VHS tape at my parents house .... death wish2 has a particular nasty rape scene.

Joe10000

They are not right, chemical castration should be a matter of course. No society issues at all.

im invisible

PCPhoto wrote: »

everyone has a gripe with society and the culture of nepotism that exists in the civil service and political appointments/life

Hold on a sec .... angry at society ...how could he have been angry at society in 2007 (it was all rosey then !!)

meh, i dont see how you are drawing these conclusions, it wasnt all rosey before the recession

PCPhoto

no-one was complaining about society or blaming it for anything.... ergo from this guys point of view there was nothing to complain about (because everyone was blissfully ignorant and living in their own little bubble)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

PCPhoto wrote: »

no-one was complaining about society or blaming it for anything.... ergo from this guys point of view there was nothing to complain about (because everyone was blissfully ignorant and living in their own little bubble)

Speak for yourself!

Anyway, I think the assumption that he was complaining against the economy is wrong.

Thrill

Society held a gun to his head. Just forgot to pull the trigger.

AckwelFoley

PCPhoto wrote: »

bet you he wont !!!

Also - where did I say that the court accepts it ??? I asked why should the courts accept it

PCPhoto wrote: »

everyone has a gripe with society and the culture of nepotism that exists in the civil service and political appointments/life....but seriously why should the courts accept this as a reason for child porn ???

..and my point is that the court wont accept it as a valid reason

crazygeryy

these guys should be given one chance just one at rehab(to keep all the do gooders happy)and if they fail at that,then castration or as they say in the vet trade, put them to sleep.
and im not being sarcastic or joking that is my opinion.they deserve nothing less.

society my hole.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

snyper wrote: »

..and my point is that the court wont accept it as a valid reason

Probably not, but I don't think he's presenting it as a "defense".

crazygeryy wrote: »

these guys should be given one chance just one at rehab(to keep all the do gooders happy)and if they fail at that,then castration or as they say in the vet trade, put them to sleep.
and im not being sarcastic or joking that is my opinion.they deserve nothing less.

society my hole.

I love the phrase "do-gooders". It implies that the sensible ones are the "do-evilers".

InTheTrees

His offending behaviour has been clinically assessed as “absolutely bizarre” and beyond sexual attraction.

Is it just me or is it a little weird that "Absolutely Bizarre" is a clinical diagnosis??

Thats like going to your doctor and being diagnosed as being "completely fcuked".

Dudess

crazygeryy wrote: »

these guys should be given one chance just one at rehab(to keep all the do gooders happy)and if they fail at that,then castration or as they say in the vet trade, put them to sleep.

Slice off a paedophile's balls, definitely - it won't actually give any insight into why some people fancy children, it won't prevent it from happening again by a long-shot... but it does satisfy an immense bloodlust. And that is surely more important than researching the area in order to develop treatments and thus possibly lessen instances of it in the future.

minidazzler

Joe10000 wrote: »

They are not right, chemical castration should be a matter of course. No society issues at all.

He was diagnosed as being beyond sexual attraction, what good do you think chemical castration would do?

WindSock

Pissed off with society so he proceeds to openly flaunt the largest of our societal taboos in a public cafe. I wonder if it were the images that turned him on more than the idea of being blatant with his perversion.

crazygeryy

Dudess wrote: »

Slice off a paedophile's balls, definitely - it won't actually give any insight into why some people fancy children, it won't prevent it from happening again by a long-shot... but it does satisfy an immense bloodlust. And that is surely more important than researching the area in order to develop treatments and thus possibly lessen instances of it in the future.

yes and while your off researching they will be off watching children being molested on their laptops.good idea.
look at all the research and studies that have been done on serial killings.still they pop up all over the place.
like i said one chance at rehab and if your caught again its goodnight for you.

HavingCrack

It sounds like he wanted to get caught which is strange.

Joe10000

minidazzler wrote: »

He was diagnosed as being beyond sexual attraction, what good do you think chemical castration would do?

My comment was in relation to the thread title, not the specifics of this case.

DublinWriter

HavingCrack wrote: »

It sounds like he wanted to get caught which is strange.

One of the most powerful documentaries I've ever seen was the BBC's "The Hunt for Britain's Paedophiles". It followed the Metropolitan Police Child Pornography unit for four years during 'Operation Doorknock'.

One of the DCIs interviewed said on camera that the most surprising reaction of those raided was an immediate sense of relief, with suspects almost stating to the police "thank God you're here".

One thing is for certain, it's a complex and pervasive problem which even chemical castration can't cure.

HavingCrack

DublinWriter wrote: »

One of the most powerful documentaries I've ever seen was the BBC's "The Hunt for Britain's Paedophiles". It followed the Metropolitan Police Child Pornography unit for four years during 'Operation Doorknock'.

One of the DCIs interviewed said on camera that the most surprising reaction of those raided was an immediate sense of relief, with suspects almost stating to the police "thank God you're here".

One thing is for certain, it's a complex and pervasive problem which even chemical castration can't cure.

Maybe it's a case that they know what they're doing is wrong but they just aren't able to stop itself. Weird a comparison as it sounds it always makes me think of the novel 1984. Perhaps shutting down sexual attraction is just impossible.

DublinWriter

HavingCrack wrote: »

Maybe it's a case that they know what they're doing is wrong but they just aren't able to stop itself. Weird a comparison as it sounds it always makes me think of the novel 1984. Perhaps shutting down sexual attraction is just impossible.

Perhaps the future for the human race is indeed a jackboot smashing in the face of someone for all of eternity, who knows?

Some argue that sexual morality is relative, in 19th century Britain the age of consent was 12 and the average age a girl commenced her period was 16. Now it's the other way around,.

I personally think that the "hang 'em flog 'em" brigade are almost trying to eliminate some suppressed desire in themselves by Gestalt, much like the 'queer bashers' of the 1970's.

As I said, it's a complex problem.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

crazygeryy wrote: »

yes and while your off researching they will be off watching children being molested on their laptops.good idea.
look at all the research and studies that have been done on serial killings.still they pop up all over the place.
like i said one chance at rehab and if your caught again its goodnight for you.

So you seriously think a knee-jerk reaction solves the problem? Really? Tell me, how exactly is that supposed someone before the molest?

Also this point that "serial killers pop up all over the place"... I'll jest leave that one here. It doesn't need rebuttal.

HavingCrack wrote: »

Maybe it's a case that they know what they're doing is wrong but they just aren't able to stop itself. Weird a comparison as it sounds it always makes me think of the novel 1984. Perhaps shutting down sexual attraction is just impossible.

Having known someone with a conviction for this, I suggested ages ago that the syntoms are more like that of an addiction than a sexual attraction, and got shot down in seconds. Mind you, that was some time ago. The times, they are a-changin;.

rasper

at the risk of playing devils advocate, it is likely that he himself was abused and thats what created this mess of a human being, and we all know what a good job irish society did in turning a blind eye on paedos

lastlaugh

Dudess wrote: »

Slice off a paedophile's balls, definitely - it won't actually give any insight into why some people fancy children, it won't prevent it from happening again by a long-shot... but it does satisfy an immense bloodlust. And that is surely more important than researching the area in order to develop treatments and thus possibly lessen instances of it in the future.

I think it has been proven scientifically (I know that sounds vague) that paediphiles have a chemical imbalance in their brain that has them so warped. Maybe they can't help themselves.
I understand chemical castration to be the only viable way of stopping their 'urges' either to molest children or surf the web and download depraved pictures and videos which is almost as bad.
Maybe in the future they will be able to develope a pill or something.

Regarding the "hang 'em flog 'em" comment someone made, my view is that there have been a few 'prolific' abusers who should indeed have been hung and flogged, but not in that order.

galwayrush

crazygeryy wrote: »

yes and while your off researching they will be off watching children being molested on their laptops.good idea.
look at all the research and studies that have been done on serial killings.still they pop up all over the place.
like i said one chance at rehab and if your caught again its goodnight for you.

I agree, if they even attempt to re offend again, they should be locked away for life where they can't do any harm.
I sometimes wonder if certain do gooders arrived home to see some sick bastard raping one of their kids, would they react by asking the pervert , 'when you're finished, i'd like to sit down with you and discuss why you did this

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lastlaugh wrote: »

I think it has been proven scientifically (I know that sounds vague) that paediphiles have a chemical imbalance in their brain that has them so warped. Maybe they can't help themselves.
I understand chemical castration to be the only viable way of stopping their 'urges' either to molest children or surf the web and download depraved pictures and videos which is almost as bad.
Maybe in the future they will be able to develope a pill or something.

Regarding the "hang 'em flog 'em" comment someone made, my view is that there have been a few 'prolific' abusers who should indeed have been hung and flogged, but not in that order.

I would be very surprised if ANY scientific research had concluded that chemical castration was the ONLY of stopping paedophiles.

DonJose

snyper wrote: »

I could go out kill the little family of black kids down the road, gut them, grill them and eath them with a side of potato wedges, and upon trial claim my motives are that i like the taste of African cuisine

I'm dying to print this out and put it in their letterbox

DonJose

I really don't understand how these scum pedo's keep on getting off lightly with suspended sentences :mad: There should be mandatory sentences for anybody caught with child porn.

lastlaugh

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I would be very surprised if ANY scientific research had concluded that chemical castration was the ONLY of stopping paedophiles.

I'm sure there are other ways of stopping them, beheading is one that springs to mind, but that's a tad OTT.

I rememeber there was a contraversial convicted paedophile guest on the Late late show a few years ago. He maintained that chemical castration was the only effective treatment.

What is very saddening is the thought that victims can go on to abuse other children as adults themselves. I suppose it is complicated after all

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lastlaugh wrote: »

I'm sure there are other ways of stopping them, beheading is one that springs to mind, but that's a tad OTT.

I rememeber there was a contraversial convicted paedophile guest on the Late late show a few years ago. He maintained that chemical castration was the only effective treatment.

What is very saddening is the thought that victims can go on to abuse other children as adults themselves. I suppose it is complicated after all

In other words, not scientific at all!

I agree with the last bit. The thing us, unless you understand the problem, you will never, ever prevent this from happening. You can not predict which kids (or adults, for that matter) are going to abuse and which aren't and you certainly can not chemically castrate them when they're still kids.

Dudess

crazygeryy wrote: »

yes and while your off researching they will be off watching children being molested on their laptops.good idea.
look at all the research and studies that have been done on serial killings.still they pop up all over the place.
like i said one chance at rehab and if your caught again its goodnight for you.

Put them in prison, put them through treatment programmes in there in order to find out what is causing this. Or just slice their balls off and don't bother to investigate the causes in order to prevent it happening again.

The lynch mob don't even have children's interests at heart - just a desire for revenge.

galwayrush wrote: »

I agree, if they even attempt to re offend again, they should be locked away for life where they can't do any harm.
I sometimes wonder if certain do gooders arrived home to see some sick bastard raping one of their kids, would they react by asking the pervert , 'when you're finished, i'd like to sit down with you and discuss why you did this

What "do-gooder" would advocate that? Notions like that are exactly those: notions.

bhur

Thats the problem in Ireland




Sexy children :eek:

grissom1

there's no excuse for it, paedo's should be strung up, children are innocent, anyone who harms them should be punished end of>>>