Irish National Anthem copywrite to expire Dec 2012

mike65

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Fears-expressed-as-copyright-expires-on-Irish-national-anthem-121310624.html

The Irish National Anthem will be open to commercial exploitation next year when the government’s copyright runs out.

Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has confirmed that the Irish nation will lose ownership of the English language version of the anthem in 2012.

Opposition member of parliament Maureen O’Sullivan fears the anthem, composed in 1907, could now be ripped off for commercial gains or made a laugh of.

The ‘Amhrán na bhFiann’ Irish language version is already out of copyright.

Minister Noonan has confirmed that the Department of Finance holds the copyright on the anthem but is powerless to stop it running out at the end of 2012, the 70th anniversary of the death of Peadar Kearney who wrote the English lyrics.

So then any chance of a Serbian Turbo Folk version? Could win the eurovision in 2013 with something like that.

Biggins

mike65 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Fears-expressed-as-copyright-expires-on-Irish-national-anthem-121310624.html
So then any chance of a Serbian Turbo Folk version? Could win the eurovision in 2013 with something like that.

Just wait till you hear the Crystal Swing version! :pac:

sensibleken

another article mentioned the possibility of replacing it. personally i think its a bit crap musically and lyrically. replacing it with song for ireland wold be pretty cool. that said i am not looking forward to the first mention of 1916 in this thread....dammit!

CD.

If the Irish version wasn't used for commercial gain since its been out of copyright, why would the English version?

stimpson

I think we should go with Ghost Town by The Specials. It's fitting and it's what the Spinmaster would have wanted.

MungBean

Anyone who uses it in bad taste will do more damage than good to whatever they are trying to flog. I dont think it will be an issue.

phasers

Does anybody care about this? really?

RachaelVO

People dissing the national anthem???

There's gonna be MURDER on this thread. I'm gonna get a beer and watch the craic

mconigol

Meh...

sensibleken

phasers wrote: »

Does anybody care about this? really?

no but it'll be a precursur to the real national question.

Whats the national dog? Wolfhound or Kerry Blue terrier.

seithon

CD. wrote: »

If the Irish version wasn't used for commercial gain since its been out of copyright, why would the English version?

Probably because not enough people understand the Irish version enough for anyone to want to use it in a commercial role?

Biggins

RachaelVO wrote: »

People dissing the national anthem???

There's gonna be MURDER on this thread. I'm gonna get a beer and watch the craic

...Or on the dance floor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsISfQAXE60

mconigol

sensibleken wrote: »

no but it'll be a precursur to the real national question.

Whats the national dog? Wolfhound or Kerry Blue terrier.

More importantly who really believes that Biddys car crash was an "accident"?

lugha

Opposition member of parliament Maureen O’Sullivan fears the anthem, composed in 1907, could now be ripped off for commercial gains or made a laugh of.

Didn't Bono, or someone, use a few bars from it in a football song for Italia '90? Don't recall them getting a "talking to" over it?

Turtyturd

Will whoever posts last in this thread post the lyrics while everyone stands up and reads along?

InTheTrees

Why was Our National Anthem copyrighted in the first place?

That would mean currently if a kids choir recorded a version for charity they'd be breaking the law?

You can parody it all you want right now after all, that wouldnt be a copyright issue. SO its not to protect it from being disrespected in some way.

colc1

Hopefully it gets replaced its a terrible tune altogether....

Pauleta

Im sure it will be an addition to something like Irish Hard House Hits 2012

CD.

seithon wrote: »

Probably because not enough people understand the Irish version enough for anyone to want to use it in a commercial role?

I don't think I've ever heard it in english, I wouldn't recognise it by the lyrics alone at all.

PatsytheNazi

sensibleken wrote: »

another article mentioned the possibility of replacing it. personally i think its a bit crap musically and lyrically. replacing it with song for ireland wold be pretty cool. that said i am not looking forward to the first mention of 1916 in this thread....dammit!

Interesting idea. It might surprise some but I'm not a big fan of Amhran na bhFiann. Song for Ireland has a nice melody. I have often thought that Mise Eireann would also be a good anthem. Don't know who could put words to it. I would say Christy Moore woudl be the best, but of course he'd been seen to be too much a Republican for the West Brits and 'Peace' lovers etc :rolleyes:

Here are the lyrics for Song for Ireland.

Walking all the day
near tall towers where falcons build their nests
Silver wings they fly,
They know the call for freedom in their breasts,
Saw Black Head against the sky
Where twisted rocks they run down to the sea
Living on your western shore,
Saw summer sun sets, I asked for more,
I stood by your Atlantic Sea,
And i sang a song for Ireland

Drinking all the day,
In old pubs where fiddlers love to play,
Saw one touch the bow,
He played a reel that seamed so grand and gay,
I stood on dingle beach and cast,
In wild foam for Atlantic bass,
Living on your western shore,
Saw summer sunsets, I asked for more,
I stood by your Atlantic Sea,
And sang a song for Ireland

Talking all the day,
With true friends who try to make you stay,
Telling jokes and news,
Singing songs to while the time away,
Watched the galway salmon run,
Like silver dancing, darting in the sun,
living on your western shore,
Saw summer sunsets, I asked for more,
I stood by your Atlantic Sea,
And i sang a song for Ireland

Dreaming in the night,
I saw a land where no-one had to fight,
Waking in your dawn,
I saw you crying in the morning light,
sleeping where the falcons fly,
They twist and turn all in your air-blue sky,
Living on your western shore,
Saw summer sunsets, I asked for more,
I stood by your Atlantic sea,
And I sang a song for Ireland

Biggins

Turtyturd wrote: »

Will whoever posts last in this thread post the lyrics while everyone stands up and reads along?

I'll tell ya one thing, if I can get my wife to sing it naked - you can bet by-god I'll be standing!

enda1

Its a bit strange that the Irish version is already out of copyright while the English one is not, when the English version came first

mconigol

Biggins wrote: »

...Or on the dance floor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsISfQAXE60

Murder indeed....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgw_GD_unEM

Krusader

colc1 wrote: »

Hopefully it gets replaced its a terrible tune altogether....

I like it, I think it has a good melody, with a rousing finale, it's not the worst anthem by far

PeakOutput

mike65 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Fears-expressed-as-copyright-expires-on-Irish-national-anthem-121310624.html



So then any chance of a Serbian Turbo Folk version? Could win the eurovision in 2013 with something like that.

Copyright ends 70 years after the death of the creator so there are anthems all over the world out of copyright, god save the queen being the obvious one. It hasnt caused much of a problem

I think maybe a rewriting of the words to be less antagonistic to the loyalists but keep the melody and it should be sung in irish imo

PeterIanStaker

Replace it with:

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt!

- but set to the melody of "My Lovely Horse"

Krusader

PeakOutput wrote: »

I think maybe a rewriting of the words to be less antagonistic to the loyalists but keep the melody and it should be sung in irish imo

No

InTheTrees

I think its beautiful. It still gives me chills. (and flu occasionally...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZEfzKAhD4

PeakOutput

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Interesting idea. It might surprise some but I'm not a big fan of Amhran na bhFiann. Song for Ireland has a nice melody. I have often thought that Mise Eireann would also be a good anthem. Don't know who could put words to it. I would say Christy Moore woudl be the best, but of course he'd been seen to be too much a Republican for the West Brits and 'Peace' lovers etc :rolleyes:

Here are the lyrics for Song for Ireland.

Walking all the day
near tall towers where falcons build their nests
Silver wings they fly,
They know the call for freedom in their breasts,
Saw Black Head against the sky
Where twisted rocks they run down to the sea
Living on your western shore,
Saw summer sun sets, I asked for more,
I stood by your Atlantic Sea,
And i sang a song for Ireland

Drinking all the day,
In old pubs where fiddlers love to play,
Saw one touch the bow,
He played a reel that seamed so grand and gay,
I stood on dingle beach and cast,
In wild foam for Atlantic bass,
Living on your western shore,
Saw summer sunsets, I asked for more,
I stood by your Atlantic Sea,
And sang a song for Ireland

Talking all the day,
With true friends who try to make you stay,
Telling jokes and news,
Singing songs to while the time away,
Watched the galway salmon run,
Like silver dancing, darting in the sun,
living on your western shore,
Saw summer sunsets, I asked for more,
I stood by your Atlantic Sea,
And i sang a song for Ireland

Dreaming in the night,
I saw a land where no-one had to fight,
Waking in your dawn,
I saw you crying in the morning light,
sleeping where the falcons fly,
They twist and turn all in your air-blue sky,
Living on your western shore,
Saw summer sunsets, I asked for more,
I stood by your Atlantic sea,
And I sang a song for Ireland

From the lyrics alone that would be an awful anthem

The anthem has to reflect our history which has been bloody while still being optimistic for the future, it should evoke emotions of pride and stick in your throat as your singing. It shouldn't be about sunny days in the fields without a care in the world because that dosn't reflect Ireland.

One of the best anthems is also the bloodiest one and thats the french we just need to strike a balance so that the entire Island could embrace it. I think our anthem now has a great melody and should be kept, it gets people worked up even if the crescendo is in the wrong place with a bit of rearrangement that could be fixed. Change the lyrics to potentially even bloodier but less provocative ones with a final verse describing victory and success and a great future and we would be onto a winner id say

PeakOutput

Crosáidí wrote: »

No

It should be representative of the entire island not just the 26 counties and to do that it has to be respectful of the views of the people of the north. They don't want to be represented by the republics anthem as it stands which is why the all ireland teams like the rugby team have to resort to irelands call.

weather you or I or they like it or not the loyalists are part of irelands history and so that should be reflected in the new words somehow

Krusader

PeakOutput wrote: »

It should be representative of the entire island not just the 26 counties and to do that it has to be respectful of the views of the people of the north. They don't want to be represented by the republics anthem as it stands which is why the all ireland teams like the rugby team have to resort to irelands call.

weather you or I or they like it or not the loyalists are part of irelands history and so that should be reflected in the new words somehow

Yes and when they are apart of this country, a new anthem can be composed until then there's no point butchering the one we have now

Liam Byrne

PeakOutput wrote: »

It should be representative of the entire island not just the 26 counties

Why, if it's this country's anthem ?

The reason there's a different "anthem" for rugby is precisely because - given the joint status of the teams - that has to do what you state above, but a national anthem does not.

PeakOutput

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Why, if it's this country's anthem ?

The reason there's a different "anthem" for rugby is precisely because - given the joint status of the teams - that has to do what you state above, but a national anthem does not.

Well I believe it is inevitable that it will eventually all be the one country so I am taking that into account when I think about what should be done.

If you don't think that is going to happen then I understand why you wouldn't care about weather or not it is a fair representation of the entire island

KeithAFC

The republic should get a new national anthem to be honest.

Agent Smith

KeithAFC wrote: »

The republic should get a new national anthem to be honest.

Knowing our luck Jedward will sing it....

trish23

Agent Smith wrote: »

Knowing our luck Jedward will sing it....

So long as they don't write it....

sock puppet

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Replace it with:

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt!

- but set to the melody of "My Lovely Horse"

Hmm it matches up quite well...