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Female front and back protection?

  • 05-05-2011 9:45am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭


    Hi guys,

    In the process of buying my first bike (fingers crossed)
    Want to get body Armour, my friends have knox front and back protection but knox dont seem to have female versions.

    I want good protection but havnt got hundreds to spend :/

    Any advice, links, suggestions, experiences etc would be greatly appreciated!

    Cheers!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Can you not get a universal armoured vest to fit under a non-armoured jacket?

    EDIT:

    My mistake. Dangers of speed reading.

    If you can't get separate armour like your mates, there are tons of ladies motorcycle jackets with integrated armour. As someone who only recently put his gear to the test, let me be the first to stress that scrimping on gear ain't a good idea.

    Nowadays, you can get awesome jackets for a couple of hundred. I think you need to spend what is appropriate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Can you not get a universal armoured vest to fit under a non-armoured jacket?

    EDIT:

    My mistake. Dangers of speed reading.

    If you can't get separate armour like your mates, there are tons of ladies motorcycle jackets with integrated armour. As someone who only recently put his gear to the test, let me be the first to stress that scrimping on gear ain't a good idea.

    Nowadays, you can get awesome jackets for a couple of hundred. I think you need to spend what is appropriate.

    :) my bf tested his recently too. hope you are ok!

    i have gear, as in jacket, pants, boots, helmet. just want the extra amour for underneath.

    like the dainese front..

    2875942_001_F_S_4.png

    but i dont know if i can wear dianese front and know back together :/

    knox_aegis789_plate_back_protector.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    I'm grand thanks :)
    maameeo wrote: »
    ...i have gear, as in jacket, pants, just want the extra amour for underneath...

    Is your current jacket not armoured? My gear has always had integrated armour. The concensus appears to be that an armoured vest covered by an unarmoured jacket gives better protection.

    Are you saying you want to wear a vest under an armoured jacket?? I'm sure it would be very warm and cumbersome.
    maameeo wrote: »
    ...but i dont know if i can wear dianese front and know back together...

    I don't know that either. I always assumed you could.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    cantdecide wrote: »
    I'm grand thanks :)



    Is your current jacket not armoured? My gear has always had integrated armour. The concensus appears to be that an armoured vest covered by an unarmoured jacket gives better protection.

    Are you saying you want to wear a vest under an armoured jacket?? I'm sure it would be very warm and cumbersome.



    I don't know that either. I always assumed you could.

    my currant jacket has some protection yea but not proper armour. definitely need back protection with it. yep id say either way ill be roasting when not moving! lol

    the back of the dainese is like this, dont know if itll interfer with the knox back protection :/

    glad your ok, hows your bike doing?
    dainese_armour_thorax-pro_detail1.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    may I be the first to say... that breast plate is kinda hot.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    on another note - they may stock them in bikeworld, you could go there, try them on and then buy them online?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭Alkers


    I have that knox back protector and then also got the added chest protector (I'm male) but I find it very cumbersome to ride with and it blocks some movement of my arms - find it much more comfortable with just the back protector on.
    The dainese protector you have there doesn't look like it would get in the way of the knox one really, you could wear the knox one after. The knox is very light and you wouldn't notice you're wearing it at all once you have it set up right.
    What bike you thinking of getting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    maameeo wrote: »
    ...glad your ok, hows your bike doing?

    Thanks. You're nice. We'll keep you :D

    To answer your question;
    crash.jpg

    ...and I was just getting attached to it :( Just had it re-sprayed too...

    On the upside, I bought this;
    busa1.jpg
    maameeo wrote: »
    ...the back of the dainese is like this, dont know if itll interfer with the knox back protection...

    When you google back protectors it looks like the straps are across the hipular area and the front straps seem to be above the waist. Maybe they'd have to be a matched set? I'm not an expert, tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    jameshayes wrote: »
    may I be the first to say... that breast plate is kinda hot.

    g'way, a top shaped like rock hard breasts? youre kidding me! :P
    jameshayes wrote: »
    on another note - they may stock them in bikeworld, you could go there, try them on and then buy them online?

    good idea,
    must check that actually coz i dont think cotters do knox. Wishing i'd had a better look at the bike show :S
    Simona1986 wrote: »
    I have that knox back protector and then also got the added chest protector (I'm male) but I find it very cumbersome to ride with and it blocks some movement of my arms - find it much more comfortable with just the back protector on.
    The dainese protector you have there doesn't look like it would get in the way of the knox one really, you could wear the knox one after. The knox is very light and you wouldn't notice you're wearing it at all once you have it set up right.
    What bike you thinking of getting?

    I've wore the back protector, my bf's one but its really big, feel so awkward with it on.

    looking at a fazer 600 :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Thanks. You're nice. We'll keep you :D

    To answer your question;
    crash.jpg

    ...and I was just getting attached to it :( Just had it re-sprayed too...

    On the upside, I bought this;
    busa1.jpg



    When you google back protectors it looks like the straps are across the hipular area and the front straps seem to be above the waist. Maybe they'd have to be a matched set? I'm not an expert, tbh.

    ooouch, weres the front of your bike gone?!! you had no injuries? mind me asking how it happened?

    aww thanks for keeping me :)

    and finally... noice! shiny new bike :) dont be dropping that one :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    maameeo wrote: »
    ...ooouch, weres the front of your bike gone?!! you had no injuries? mind me asking how it happened?...

    The lads'll be rolling their eyes over my continuous bellyaching but...

    F5q794bw_lg.jpg

    I was pootling along uphill. There was a tractor coming against me, downhill. The tractor hit a pothole and it's sprayer arm swung out and clothes-lined me. The sprayer was an older, bigger, more crude, box iron type and it hit me on the out-swing so it swatted me back the way I came. The sprayer was also higher up than the one shown. It missed the bike almost completely. Teh bike carried on, riderless, and hit a car coming in the opposite direction.

    There were ambulances and squad cars etc. I was lucky I wasn't killed let alone escaping with minor injuries. It hit me across my right side so six weeks on, the last of my bruises and scab are just about gone. The gear save my life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    jebus! :eek:

    i definitely wasnt expecting that answer!

    have to say thats the most unusual of bike accidents ive heard to date!

    Must have really taken you by surprise! glad you lived to tell the tale!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    maameeo wrote: »
    jebus! :eek:

    i definitely wasnt expecting that answer!

    have to say thats the most unusual of bike accidents ive heard to date!

    Must have really taken you by surprise! glad you lived to tell the tale!

    Me too. I had just about enough time to wince :rolleyes: Annyhoo... gear.... get good stuff!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Is your BF okay? Was it serious?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Is your BF okay? Was it serious?

    could have been bad, but he had protection ;)

    he broke a bone in his wrist, in a cast 7 weeks but think hes more pissed about the bike.
    front is pretty fucked. forks bent out of place. when wheel is in line the handle bars are turned fully, mad looking :(

    poor thing. hopefully he'll be able to get it fixed :/

    so yea hes ok, in that hes alive and not seriously injured :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭Alkers


    cantdecide wrote: »
    The lads'll be rolling their eyes over my continuous bellyaching but...

    F5q794bw_lg.jpg

    I was pootling along uphill. There was a tractor coming against me, downhill. The tractor hit a pothole and it's sprayer arm swung out and clothes-lined me. The sprayer was an older, bigger, more crude, box iron type and it hit me on the out-swing so it swatted me back the way I came. The sprayer was also higher up than the one shown. It missed the bike almost completely. Teh bike carried on, riderless, and hit a car coming in the opposite direction.

    There were ambulances and squad cars etc. I was lucky I wasn't killed let alone escaping with minor injuries. It hit me across my right side so six weeks on, the last of my bruises and scab are just about gone. The gear save my life.

    That's a mad story in fairness. What gear were you wearing and how did it hold up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Sh*thouse :( They're all repairiable with enough doh re mi. Mine was going to cost €5,500 to fix. Were you on the back? What bike is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    Simona1986 wrote: »
    That's a mad story in fairness. What gear were you wearing and how did it hold up?

    yea id like to know this too :)
    cantdecide wrote: »
    Sh*thouse :( They're all repairiable with enough doh re mi. Mine was going to cost €5,500 to fix. Were you on the back? What bike is it?

    ouch, thats a bit too much. sad to see your bike go but better off with a new one at that price!

    erm suzuki sv650 i thinks it is, hasnt got it long. No i wasnt on the back thank god! id probably be turned off getting my own if i was!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Simona1986 wrote: »
    ...What gear were you wearing and how did it hold up?...

    I had a Richa Boa jacket (I beleive it's been discontinued a while it was New Old Stock). I had a Nitro helmet :rolleyes: I was waiting for a new visor for my Shark RSX. I was wearing runners and jeans :o That was the last time, of course. I'm going ATGATT from now on, obviously.

    All the bits came off the helmet like the visor and vents etc but the shell held up well. The jacket had a huge rip across the shoulder and was a little road-rashed (same as myself) but was almost intact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    cantdecide wrote: »
    I had a Richa Boa jacket (I beleive it's been discontinued a while it was New Old Stock). I had a Nitro helmet :rolleyes: I was waiting for a new visor for my Shark RSX. I was wearing runners and jeans :o That was the last time, of course. I'm going ATGATT from now on, obviously.

    All the bits came off the helmet like the visor and vents etc but the shell held up well. The jacket had a huge rip across the shoulder and was a little road-rashed (same as myself) but was almost intact.

    :O bold, not even kevlar jeans? where you not cut to bits eek

    ATGATT!

    my bf's visor was bent at a 90 degree angle but didnt snap! mad stuff!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭JohnnyCrash


    229687_223251897690133_100000159722825_1063611_5999921_a.jpgThis could be what you're looking for? And its got pink in it too:D Hi btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    maameeo wrote: »
    :O bold, not even kevlar jeans? where you not cut to bits eek ATGATT! my bf's visor was bent at a 90 degree angle but didnt snap! mad stuff!

    Yikes :eek: Waiting on my first pair of Kevlar jeans aswell as a complete set of new gear. I hate wearing bulky gear so I'm spending enough to know I'll be as comfortable as possible. Definitely NOT doing jeans and runners again.

    I only had a very bad 'burn' on my left knee, road rash on my side, a cut on my ankle, a cut on my wrist and a multi-coloured/ swollen/ weakened arm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    No offence meant by this but ****ing hell thats a hilarious one in a million accident. I was expecting the usual "he pulled out in front of me" garbage.

    Is everybody claiming off the tractor or is the car claiming off you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    229687_223251897690133_100000159722825_1063611_5999921_a.jpgThis could be what you're looking for? And its got pink in it too:D Hi btw.

    What make is that? id love that actually! my friends are saying knox and if i go with anything else dont come crying to them when im damaged :S

    i has pink gear :o
    cantdecide wrote: »
    Yikes :eek: Waiting on my first pair of Kevlar jeans aswell as a complete set of new gear. I hate wearing bulky gear so I'm spending enough to know I'll be as comfortable as possible. Definitely NOT doing jeans and runners again.

    I only had a very bad 'burn' on my left knee, road rash on my side, a cut on my ankle, a cut on my wrist and a multi-coloured/ swollen/ weakened arm.

    wow if you had gear there wouldnt have been a scratch on you!

    cotters had a kelvar jeans on sale awhile back. i couldnt figure out the sizes so i left them alone! lol

    would you not get leathers?

    terminator2_l3.jpg

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    This isn't as sexy but it'd do the trick... http://www.btosports.com/p/ALPSBP

    Dont get caught up on knox - there are several other manufacturers on par with knox including a-stars and fox...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    jameshayes wrote: »
    This isn't as sexy but it'd do the trick... http://www.btosports.com/p/ALPSBP

    Dont get caught up on knox - there are several other manufacturers on par with knox including a-stars and fox...

    nice, looks fun to put on alright!

    do they have some sort of safety rating do you know? is there a way of judging which gear is superior to another.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭JohnnyCrash


    maameeo wrote: »
    What make is that? id love that actually! my friends are saying knox and if i go with anything else dont come crying to them when im damaged :S

    i has pink gear :o



    wow if you had gear there wouldnt have been a scratch on you!

    cotters had a kelvar jeans on sale awhile back. i couldnt figure out the sizes so i left them alone! lol

    would you not get leathers?

    terminator2_l3.jpg

    :pac:
    Its an Icon Stryker Womens Field Armor vest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    maameeo wrote: »
    nice, looks fun to put on alright!

    do they have some sort of safety rating do you know? is there a way of judging which gear is superior to another.

    the only external requirement is that it is CE certified which means fúck all... best to go on recomendations... fox, a-stars, knox, daniese would be the manufacturers you hear most about


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    ... ****ing hell thats a hilarious one in a million accident...Is everybody claiming off the tractor or is the car claiming off you?

    Between the agony down my right side from near death experience and the ambulance arriving, I was thinking 'God, this is just hilarious' :p. Ya. I get what you meant though. It was a freak accident alright.

    Everything is going back to the tractor directly or indirectly. FBD told me that, themselves. I got sorted already. I must say FBD were lightning fast, in fairness.
    maameeo wrote: »
    ...would you not get leathers? :pac:

    I'm 6'4" so I'm too long for them, really. The longest leather jackets ride very high on me so I go for touring type jackets, usually. Jeans/ kevlar jeans suit the touring stuff better, IMO. The shop owner says I'm going to look more like Darth Vader.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    cantdecide wrote: »

    I'm 6'4" so I'm too long for them, really. The longest leather jackets ride very high on me so I go for touring type jackets, usually. Jeans/ kevlar jeans suit the touring stuff better, IMO. The shop owner says I'm going to look more like Darth Vader.


    tall dark and handsome you say...

    :pac:

    black helmet with dark visor yea? luke i am your father


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭JohnnyCrash


    Get a room:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


    maameeo wrote: »
    nice, looks fun to put on alright!

    do they have some sort of safety rating do you know? is there a way of judging which gear is superior to another.

    Elbow, shoulder, hips and knee armour has only one official rating, it's either CE approved (CE 1621-1) or it's not. (And the standards not fantastic - it can allow 35kN of force through from a 50kn impact). Several brands do better than the 35kN.

    Back armour (for motorcycles) at the moment has two different ratings, CE Level 1 or CE Level 2. Basically the Level 2 stuff absorbs more in an impact, and thus transfers less force to your back. The problem is that the rating doesn't really tell you much about how much force it does absorb. (for a 50kn impact, 18kN max allowed for level1 and 9kN max for level 2)

    Currently SAS-Tec, the armour Rukka uses (which I think is a type of SAS-Tec), the NP protectors in BMW gear (the newer orange coloured ones) and Forcefield are the top brands on the market, they all exceed CE standards by quite a bit.

    The Forcefield Sub 4 back protector only allows less than 4kN through from a 50kN impact, I don't think anything else on the market comes close to that. (Apparently 4kN is the medically recommended limit for impact to the spine)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    maameeo wrote: »
    ...tall dark and handsome you say...

    Rich too, once that FBD cheque clears :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭Wossack


    Dunno if they have anything suitable, but

    http://www.forcefieldperformance.com/armour/

    are another very good name in back protectors etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Everything is going back to the tractor directly or indirectly. FBD told me that, themselves. I got sorted already. I must say FBD were lightning fast, in fairness.

    Jeebus ..........that story is mad, Ted !

    Scares the crap out of me - I live in Tractor City !

    Re the tractor guy: yeah, bad break. But I hope he in turn takes council to the cleaners for the pothole !! That's what we pay fuggin' tax for !

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    MikeC101 wrote: »
    Elbow, shoulder, hips and knee armour has only one official rating, it's either CE approved (CE 1621-1) or it's not. (And the standards not fantastic - it can allow 35kN of force through from a 50kn impact). Several brands do better than the 35kN.

    Back armour (for motorcycles) at the moment has two different ratings, CE Level 1 or CE Level 2. Basically the Level 2 stuff absorbs more in an impact, and thus transfers less force to your back. The problem is that the rating doesn't really tell you much about how much force it does absorb. (for a 50kn impact, 18kN max allowed for level1 and 9kN max for level 2)

    Currently SAS-Tec, the armour Rukka uses (which I think is a type of SAS-Tec), the NP protectors in BMW gear (the newer orange coloured ones) and Forcefield are the top brands on the market, they all exceed CE standards by quite a bit.

    The Forcefield Sub 4 back protector only allows less than 4kN through from a 50kN impact, I don't think anything else on the market comes close to that. (Apparently 4kN is the medically recommended limit for impact to the spine)

    jesus, thanks for all the info man, you really went into detail, appreciate it!
    looking into them now.
    cheers!
    cantdecide wrote: »
    Rich too, once that FBD cheque clears :D

    talk, dark, handsome and rich you say...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    maameeo wrote: »
    ...tall, dark, handsome and rich you say...

    Indeed :cool:
    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...I hope he in turn takes council to the cleaners for the pothole !! That's what we pay fuggin' tax for !...

    Nowt, seemingly. I hope he takes some action but I doubt it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Pity about the Cork accent though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Pity about the Cork accent though.

    You can buy a lot of elocution lessons when you're this rich ....like :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    one of my favourite irish accents, donegal comes first then corkonian ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    maameeo wrote: »
    one of my favourite irish accents, donegal comes first then corkonian ;)

    Oh stop. You're getting butter everywhere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,138 ✭✭✭gipi


    Howdy maameeo!

    Is there any reason why you want chest protection as well as back protection? I just use a knox back protector (female biker too).

    I thought that only Motocross riders and the like wore full (front and back) body armour, do many regular bikers use it?

    Best of luck whatever you decide!

    PS - @cantdecide - that was one heck of an accident! Glad you're okay and nice to see the new wheels!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭maameeo


    gipi wrote: »
    Howdy maameeo!

    Is there any reason why you want chest protection as well as back protection? I just use a knox back protector (female biker too).

    I thought that only Motocross riders and the like wore full (front and back) body armour, do many regular bikers use it?

    Best of luck whatever you decide!

    PS - @cantdecide - that was one heck of an accident! Glad you're okay and nice to see the new wheels!

    heya gipi!

    tbh i dont know if its the done thing with most bikers, i just know my bf and 3 friends have them. think id feel a bit safer with it.

    what size knox back protector did you get?? ive been wearing my bf's size 8 but it feels too big and awkward. i printed out the size chart but by that id need the largest! think i printed it wrong lol!

    what bike have you got? :D love to hear from other female bikers, gives me confidence that i can do it!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Rich too, once that FBD cheque clears :D

    dont cash it straight away - FBD may be settling the claim super fast before you realise you are entitled to more than just the repairs.

    I had the same thing happen...insurance company paid out before I knew what was going on (I'm a cager) ... GF is a biker and she has had 2 different drivers/cagers pull U-Turns in front of her without checking their mirrors...feckin idiots !! ...hospitalised with 9 slipped discs.

    anyway - BF should be compensated for injury to his arm (they usually dont heal properly - depends on the break and setting to be honest) ...both of you should be compensated for the accident/stress/lack of bike/hire of replacement/medical expenses/replacement of torn clothes etc etc
    EDIT
    Ps. I should add that I work in the Courts and see Civil actions for injuries like this a lot of the time....usually when one denies responsibility or the insurance payout is below what is expected


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,138 ✭✭✭gipi


    maameeo,

    I use the 6-plate back protector (I'm a bit of a shortie, 5'2"!). It's best to go into a shop and be fitted for one which suits your size - if you wear one that's wrong it may not do its job if ever needed. I like the look of the Knox Aegis, which is a "gilet-style" back protector.

    I came back to biking a few years ago and started on a Marauder 250cc (great learner bike, but a tad slow!) - I've now got a Virago 535cc which is enough for me!

    Best of luck with the biking!


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