Best Teams in Europe

PHB

Bit of a random question for ya,

United vs. Barca, champions league final, two best teams in Europe.

I think I'd confidently say that is the case.

But if you were to go further down, I think Chelsea are the third best team in Europe myself. Madrid fourth.

What would other people think?

Blatter

1. Barcelona

2. Real Madrid

3. Man Utd

4. Chelsea

5. Arsenal



In my opinion.

Frisbee

Barca
Real
United
Chelsea
Porto*


*By this seasons performances, where they have been unbelievable. Imo they would have made it to the SF of the CL if they were in it this year.

Fromvert

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

1. Barcelona

2. Real Madrid

3. Man Utd

4. Chelsea

5. Arsenal



In my opinion.

+1

shano_88

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

1. Barcelona

2. Real Madrid

3. Man Utd

4. Chelsea

5. Arsenal



In my opinion.

Id probably agree with that. I would say that 2-5 are all fairly close at the moment but Barca are a level above them.

KeithAFC

Barcelona
Man Utd
Real Madrid
Arsenal
The Rangers

jesus_thats_gre

Barca
Chelsea
Real
United

Dont be at yourself

A shame Dortmund and Porto weren't in the CL this year, I'd like to see how they do against very top tier opposition. Been very impressed with them from what I've seen.

PHB

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Barca
Chelsea
Real
United

Tuesday, 12 April 2011
Uefa Champions League
Man Utd 2-1 Chelsea

Wednesday, 6 April 2011
Uefa Champions League
Chelsea 0-1 Man Utd

PiE

Realistically, it's:

Barcelona

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The rest.

yahoo_moe

PHB wrote: »

Tuesday, 12 April 2011
Uefa Champions League
Man Utd 2-1 Chelsea

Wednesday, 6 April 2011
Uefa Champions League
Chelsea 0-1 Man Utd

Out of curiosity, if Utd beat Barca, would you think they were automatically the better side?

Arsenal have beaten Utd, Chelsea and Barca this year and yet I wouldn't say they're a better side than any one of those.

The_Kew_Tour

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

A shame Dortmund and Porto weren't in the CL this year, I'd like to see how they do against very top tier opposition. Been very impressed with them from what I've seen.

Cant really comment on Dortmund myself, but agree about Porto they look a savage team and would easily have been tough test for even United or Barca.

PHB

I think that any team that beats another team over two legs, fairly comprehensively, is a better team.

jesus_thats_gre

PHB wrote: »

Tuesday, 12 April 2011
Uefa Champions League
Man Utd 2-1 Chelsea

Wednesday, 6 April 2011
Uefa Champions League
Chelsea 0-1 Man Utd

You clearly got me. Head to head in those two games, United came out slightly on top. It doesn't really mean anything other than that.

Both sides are of the highest quality, reflected in the fact that I rate one 2nd and the other 4th best in Europe, but I feel that Chelsea being that big stronger in the centre of midfield gives them the advantage overall.

We won't know this season but I believe that United will have major trouble coping with Barcelona whereas I believe that Chelsea would actually have half a chance of beating them.

In terms of what is going on in the league. Chelsea for large chunks of this season were by far the strongest team in the league but managed to fall apart for a few months - for what seems to be off the pitch issues. United have been consistently very good throughout the season but at the start of this season, or a few weeks/months in, there weren't many United fans thought there had a hope in hell of winning the league - nevermind the double.

jive

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

1. Barcelona

2. Real Madrid

3. Man Utd

4. Chelsea

5. Arsenal

In my opinion.

I would agree with this. Chelsea/Utd/Madrid could all beat each other on any given day. Barcelona ahead of the pack. Arsenal are too soft if they were to get in a few big players who could play football like they had with the invincibles then they could contest with teams 2-4 but at the moment I think they are slightly behind. When Wilshire+Ramsey mature they will definitely be a force to be reckoned with over the course of a season. Injuries usually plague them as they have a few glass men like rvp.

PHB wrote: »

Tuesday, 12 April 2011
Uefa Champions League
Man Utd 2-1 Chelsea

Wednesday, 6 April 2011
Uefa Champions League
Chelsea 0-1 Man Utd

And Chelsea beat United 2-1 before that so whats your point? United in good form beat Chelsea in poor form, big surprise there! On that merit Arsenal are better than United because they beat them at the weekend. Pssshhhhht.

Pauleta

Barcelona
Real Madrid
Man Utd/Chelsea
Ac Milan (I know they flopped against Spurs but i feel their performace was very out of character for the season and were missing key players)
Arsenal

doomed

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

1. Barcelona

2. Real Madrid

3. Man Utd

4. Chelsea

5. Arsenal



In my opinion.

Same 5. Whatever happens in CL final Barca are by some distance the best team in Europe. Not an Italian Teaam in sight.

Johner

Barca
Chelsea/Man Utd
Real Madrid
Arsenal

Fuhrer

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if Utd beat Barca, would you think they were automatically the better side?

Arsenal have beaten Utd, Chelsea and Barca this year and yet I wouldn't say they're a better side than any one of those.

Both United and Barca have outscored Arsenal in aggregate in tall games.


Chelsea probably did the same, dont remember the results

ShamoBuc

City
Pats
Rovers
Ramblers
Sligo


or

Barca
Real
utd
Chelsea
Arsenal

FlawedGenius

KeithAFC wrote: »

Barcelona
Man Utd
Real Madrid
Arsenal
The Rangers

PFFT.:rolleyes:

davyjose

I love how we're getting told we're biased if we make any complaint against Barca. But now suddenly Madrid are better than the likely EPL Champs, 3 out of 4 times european finalists, and Barca's (by pep's own admission) biggest european rivals.

But a mere 24 hours later Madrid have gone from a bunch of Cowboys, to better than European finalists. The bias is actually grotesque, boys.

Dante

Barcelona
United
Chelsea
Real

MUSEIST

This thread is an argument waiting to happen.

However my opinion based on teams at there best.

1. Barca (by some distance)

2./3. man utd/ chelsea (can't decide)

4. real madrid

5 arsenal

YouTookMyName

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

A shame Dortmund and Porto weren't in the CL this year, I'd like to see how they do against very top tier opposition. Been very impressed with them from what I've seen.

This, That Dortmund team is class, Klopps a great manger too. If they can keep the team together they'll give the European Cup a great go next season.

jesus_thats_gre

davyjose wrote: »

I love how we're getting told we're biased if we make any complaint against Barca. But now suddenly Madrid are better than the likely EPL Champs, 3 out of 4 times european finalists, and Barca's (by pep's own admission) biggest european rivals.

But a mere 24 hours later Madrid have gone from a bunch of Cowboys, to better than European finalists. The bias is actually grotesque, boys.

Oh yes, claims that Unoted are only the 4th best team in the world are biased...

eugeneious

Barca
Madrid
Utd
Chelsea
Milan/Porto
Dortmund
Arsenal

Fuhrer

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Oh yes, claims that Unoted are only the 4th best team in the world are biased...

Or idiots

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

I love how we're getting told we're biased if we make any complaint against Barca. But now suddenly Madrid are better than the likely EPL Champs, 3 out of 4 times european finalists, and Barca's (by pep's own admission) biggest european rivals.

But a mere 24 hours later Madrid have gone from a bunch of Cowboys, to better than European finalists. The bias is actually grotesque, boys.

lol. So luckboxing an easy Champions league draw is now a skill? Not to mention I don't see how united reaching a final 3 years ago has any merit on how good a team is this year.

ShamoBuc

MUSEIST wrote: »

This thread is an argument waiting to happen.

However my opinion based on teams at there best.

1. Barca (by some distance)

2./3. man utd/ chelsea (can't decide)

4. real madrid

5 arsenal

No it's not, what a ridiculous thing to say, where do you get off? EH?;)

#15

If Barca lose the final, then it will definitely put a different spin on the last 5 years of European football IMO.

I don't think that Barca will lose, but if Utd claim a second European Cup, it'll be pretty hard to say that they are not the dominant team of the past few years.

spiralism

Chucky the tree wrote: »

lol. So luckboxing an easy Champions league draw is now a skill? Not to mention I don't see how united reaching a final 3 years ago has any merit on how good a team is this year.

Chelsea is far from easy, especially when you're United! Can only beat the teams in front of ya, end of the day, if we beat Inter nobody would have told us we lucked into the easy draws, but Inter weren't good enough to even get near the side we just battered.

Bertser

Barcelona
Manchester United
Chelsea
Real Madrid
Porto/Dortmund/Arsenal

recyclebin

Barca/United (TBD on the 28th)
Real Madrid
Chelsea
Arsenal

On current form you could also include porto, dortmund and even liverpool.

spiralism

Anyways:
Currently 1+2 is balanced between Utd and Barcelona, with this year's final tipping the balance one way or another
then Chelsea
Madrid
Porto (Villas-Boas is an absolute mastermind)

Chucky the tree

So If chelsea win on Sunday will they overtake United?

Fuhrer

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So If chelsea win on Sunday will they overtake United?

In Europe?


And even if they do, no


Games played against each other this season 4
United wins 3
Chelsea wins 1

Boskowski

Dortmund no way. They were too light for the Europa League even. When it comes to the nitty gritty European stuff you have to have been there done that.
And I'd have Bayern ahead of Arsenal anyway, if anything better even. They got complacent in the second leg v Inter. Too much ramblings with van Gaal sharpness went missing. But realistically they're a CL semi final side.

But admittedly I'd be biased of course.

eagle eye

Barca
Man United
Chelsea
Real Madrid


Thats the top four no doubt in my book and in that order too. I'm finding it hard to call who is fifth, a few teams in contention.

Paully D

Currently, for me, it'd be:

Barcelona
Real Madrid
Manchester United
Chelsea
Arsenal

#15

It's a real shame that huge clubs like Juventus and AC Milan are not part of the discussion anymore.

Chucky the tree

Fuhrer wrote: »

In Europe?


And even if they do, no


Games played against each other this season 4
United wins 3
Chelsea wins 1

A win this sunday will make it 2 wins a piece.

Turtwig

Barca.
Utd
....
...
.
Real Madrid/Chelsea/Arsenal.
The rest.

Barca and Utd without questions are the best clubs in Europe at the moment their records over the last five years speaks for themselves.
Barca (esp since Guardiola took them over) are the best team in Europe, but the best doesn't team win every game. Utd can definitely beat them, either way looking forward to a very good game.

Boskowski

#15 wrote: »

It's a real shame that huge clubs like Juventus and AC Milan are not part of the discussion anymore.

They'll be back. These things go in cycles.
Abramowitsxh will lose interest in his toy. Ferguson will retire eventually. Financial fair play rule coming That'll shake things up.

Fuhrer

Chucky the tree wrote: »

A win this sunday will make it 2 wins a piece.

And that relates to Europe how?

Paully D

#15 wrote: »

It's a real shame that huge clubs like Juventus and AC Milan are not part of the discussion anymore.

I've got to disagree with you there mate.

They've only got themselves to blame IMO and AC Milan are extremely lucky that they weren't relegated to Serie B at the same time as Juventus.

the untitled user

Don't place too much stock on this type of exercise, it's all relative. One team's system will beat some teams easily and struggle against others. United for example clearly struggle against teams who play possession football, but if they have any vulnerability to the counter United will shine.

For what it's worth though, Arsenal are the only team to beat Barca in the CL this season over 90 mins, so clearly they are the best of the rest :pac:

Chucky the tree

Fuhrer wrote: »

And that relates to Europe how?

Inever said it did, when did United beat Chelsea 3 times in Europe this year?

bonerm

1. Barca (Best team in the world by some margin )

2. Real Madrid

3. Chelsea (I think they are actually better than ManU despite league position - they had an awful Nov/Dec and yet still have outside chance of winning the league).

4. ManUnited

5. ManCity

Fuhrer

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Inever said it did, when did United beat Chelsea 3 times in Europe this year?

fair enough, I misread the first post.


Put overall, United have played Chelsea 4 times this year

Twice in Europe, once in the league and once in the Charity Shield


United one three games, lost one.

Will I Amnt

I don't see how people are struggling to separate United and Chelsea for 2nd,I would have thought 3 champions league finals in 4 years clearly puts united ahead if you're looking for the better team in Europe.