The 2011 QuarterBack Carousel

Mr. Guappa

So following the draft the QB situation has become somewhat clearer for next season. For better or for worse Carolina have their guy, and the 49ers appear happy to bring Alex Smith back to compete with Kaepernick. The Titans, Vikings and Bengals all drafted QB's early but they may still be looking to bring in a veteran.

Washington and Arizona look set to be the most needy at the moment, while the Bills, Raiders and Dolphins will probably stick with what they have. The Seahawks are an interesting one as they don't appear to be totally behind Hasselbeck or Whitehurst at the moment.

Kevin Kolb and possibly Carson Palmer look to be the pick of those who will be available, while Marc Bulger and Donovan McNabb would be a solid choice for a year ahead of a young QB. Kyle Orton may also be available depending on how much Elway and Fox are behind Tebow. After those the options are Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Troy Smith, Tavaris Jackson and Matt Moore.

Arizona have been heavily linked with Bulger, with McNabb linked to them and the Vikings. The Redskins are the most intriguing one for me - McNabb appears to be as good as gone and they didn't draft a QB.. what way will they go?

f1dan

Matt Flynn and Brian Hoyer are two more guys who may be in play, especially if they can be gotten cheap

Hulk Hands

Day 1 starters for unknown teams imo

Cardinals: McNabb
Panthers: Newton
Seattle: Kolb
Bengals: C Palmer
Vikings: Ponder
49er's: Alex Smith
Broncos: Kyle Orton
Redskins: Young/Hasselbeck
Titans: Locker
Jaguars: Garrard

eagle eye

I can't get my head around the fact that Nate Davis has never gotten a chance to do his thing. I always felt the guy was very talented and watching him in preseason for the 49ers the last two years didn't change that. He still ended up being cut by them though. Then the Seahawks signed him in January and I thought this is where he will get a chance but low and behold they cut him in March. There must be some other problem with the guy that we are unaware of because I really do think the guy is a much better player than Alex Smith, David Carr or Troy Smith who were ahead of him last year.

Kaepernick is a good prospect too imo and he might very well be the starter from early on if he has it. Alex Smith is a free agent so I don't get why people think he will be back for another year. I have a feeling that the 49ers are making a move in free agency as I just cannot see Harbaugh being satisfied with Alex Smith, David Carr and a young prospect(unless he is ready to go from day 1).

adrian522

as far as I can work out a deal with smith has all but been done. Harbaugh has also given smith his playbook, not something that's too likely if there's a chance he won't be back.

Stev_o

eagle eye wrote: »

I can't get my head around the fact that Nate Davis has never gotten a chance to do his thing. I always felt the guy was very talented and watching him in preseason for the 49ers the last two years didn't change that. He still ended up being cut by them though. Then the Seahawks signed him in January and I thought this is where he will get a chance but low and behold they cut him in March. There must be some other problem with the guy that we are unaware of because I really do think the guy is a much better player than Alex Smith, David Carr or Troy Smith who were ahead of him last year.

Kaepernick is a good prospect too imo and he might very well be the starter from early on if he has it. Alex Smith is a free agent so I don't get why people think he will be back for another year. I have a feeling that the 49ers are making a move in free agency as I just cannot see Harbaugh being satisfied with Alex Smith, David Carr and a young prospect(unless he is ready to go from day 1).

Id say it would be to do with Davis's learning disability but honestly it's not like the Seahawks have a complicated offence.

What strikes me is just how accurate Davis is. His passes tend to be on the money straight into the mid region of passers. He doesn't leave floaters he does all the work for his receivers with his passes. Would love some team to take him in cause he could tear people apart given the right mentoring.

Also didn't help that he had that idiot of a coach going to the media and saying he was terrible.

eagle eye

Stev_o wrote: »

Id say it would be to do with Davis's learning disability but honestly it's not like the Seahawks have a complicated offence.

What strikes me is just how accurate Davis is. His passes tend to be on the money straight into the mid region of passers. He doesn't leave floaters he does all the work for his receivers with his passes. Would love some team to take him in cause he could tear people apart given the right mentoring.

Also didn't help that he had that idiot of a coach going to the media and saying he was terrible.

I wasn't aware of the learning disability. Which coach did that? Singletary?

Imo he is one of the worst NFL head coaches ever.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

I wasn't aware of the learning disability. Which coach did that? Singletary?

Imo he is one of the worst NFL head coaches ever.

Yup he is dyslexic.

Here is a good link showing what Singletary said about Davis. Singletary is an epic failure as a human being as well as a Coach. He seems to suggest Davis was lazy and not working hard enough but from other reports players he lived with said he was.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/21806/singletary-breaks-down-49ers-nate-davis

Some fans get too excited about third-string quarterbacks. San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Singletary does not.

He used the word "inconsistent" in describing 49ers third-stringer Nate Davis, then made it clear Davis was not competing with David Carr for the No. 2 job behind Alex Smith. This is pretty much how things work in the NFL. Third-stringers usually do not go charging up depth charts on the strength of a few exciting plays during exhibition games. Davis completed a 60-yarder to Ted Ginn Jr. during the 49ers' 15-10 exhibition victory over the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday night, but he also failed to complete even half his passes overall.

"I think he’s a guy that’s got a lot of flash, a big arm like a lot of kids, a lot of young kids, but you have to learn how to play the position," Singletary told reporters after Davis completed 7 of 16 passes against the Vikings on Sunday.

The comments from Singletary should help the growing list of people asking how prominently Davis might figure into the 49ers' plans.

"You have to learn how to command the huddle, you have to learn how to get people in and out of the huddle and you have to have a presence about you and I just feel that he’s still learning how to do that," Singletary said. "And I don’t know how long it’s going to take. I don’t know how much time we have, but I think it's just nice to see him every now and then make some nice throws and then bang, there’s one play in particular that I’ll talk about -- you have to know where the first-down marker is. You don’t just fall."

Singletary said Davis is competing against himself, not against Carr for the No. 2 job.

"I really like the kid, there is a lot to like about him, but there is a work ethic that’s involved in terms of being a quarterback in the NFL and he’s got to get it, it’s as simple as that," Singletary said. "I'm pulling for him, I’m hoping, but so far it’s inconsistent."

The assumption to this point in Davis' career has been that the 2009 fifth-round draft choice has worked extra hard to overcome a learning disability, making him a sympathetic figure. The comments from Singletary about Davis' work ethic paint another picture. Pretty harsh words, but at least we have a better idea where Davis stands.

Update: Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee provides a fuller quote from Singletary: "Right now Nate Davis is working his tail off to try and learn this system. But in the offseason, that's when you take the time to get that done. And I'm not sure how hard he worked in the offseason in getting that done. So when I talk about work ethic, you just can't turn it on and turn it off. Now that we're in training camp, 'Well, I'm really trying! I'm really trying!' In the offseason, in the OTAs, the minicamps and all those things -- that's when you have to get that done, and that's when you have to stay up and drive the coaches crazy and look at film and ask all the questions you possibly can. And I'm not sure he did that. So now it's a lot that he has to get in a short amount of time. So hopefully he can do that. I don't know."

Another Link here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=70659

49ers gave up on him too quickly in my mind. Singletary wanted a quick fix and didn't get it and was too impatient. He is a sh1te coach also so thats part of the reason why they released him. I would love to know why the Seahwaks didn't keep him though never got a good reason anywhere for it.

GoldFour4

Am I the only one who thinks there isn`t a QB problem in Buffalo ? Fitzpatrick is a good player and put up some good numbers last year , the guy deserves a little respect IMO , it would have been mad for the Bills to draft a QB .

davyjose

What I find inriguing, given the QB rush this year, is that next year's likely 1st and 2nd pick (Luck and Barkley) are streets ahead of anyone other QB in this years Draft.

When a player with 5 months first team college experiebce, whose got picked as much for his legs as for his arm, and with atypical NFL qualities gets picked first, then you know it's not that strong a year for QB's tbh.

tallaghtoutlaws

malachyscott wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks there isn`t a QB problem in Buffalo ? Fitzpatrick is a good player and put up some good numbers last year , the guy deserves a little respect IMO , it would have been mad for the Bills to draft a QB .

I agree with you. I fought in Fitzy's corner on here on many occasions and I stand by what I say he isn't the problem in Buffalo and has shown on many occasions he can do a good enough job to get Buffalo going. If Buffalo get a solid supporting cast on all 3 fronts they could do a good job.

f1dan

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I agree with you. I fought in Fitzy's corner on here on many occasions and I stand by what I say he isn't the problem in Buffalo and has shown on many occasions he can do a good enough job to get Buffalo going. If Buffalo get a solid supporting cast on all 3 fronts they could do a good job.

He managed to get reasonable production from a pretty poor receiving corps too, Evans aside. Drafting a QB would probably have set them back even further.

And if Fitzpatrick is indeed the problem, the Bills will probably in a position to draft one of the better QB's coming out next year.

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

What I find inriguing, given the QB rush this year, is that next year's likely 1st and 2nd pick (Luck and Barkley) are streets ahead of anyone other QB in this years Draft.

When a player with 5 months first team college experiebce, whose got picked as much for his legs as for his arm, and with atypical NFL qualities gets picked first, then you know it's not that strong a year for QB's tbh.

Add in the fact that with the lockout situation teams could easily find themselves with shortened mini-camp and there QB's even less prepared then before. Look at the bengals, with a team short of talent all over I can really see these guys picking top 3 next year, will they really pass up on Luck or Berkley then? Or do they think Dalton will provide them with enough wins this year to avoid a high pick?

I said it during the draft how I was shocked how poor some nfl team are managed, there seems to be little to no forward planning.

spiralism

Regarding QB controversy in Denver: Expect to see Tebow. If the lockout prevents a meaningful camp Orton may get the nod however. If this is not the case, be on the lookout for an Orton trade. I'd go as far as to say he's the best QB that may become available to other teams this offseason.

Elway was initially sceptical about Tebow, but he seems to be on board with him now, which is good to hear.

eagle eye

On Fitzpatrick, I felt he done enough last year to get a shot at keeping the job this year. I am not sold on him yet but he certainly didn't look bad last year.

Stev_o

Denver should be expecting at least a initial 2nd round pick for Orton given us production last year at best maybe they might steal a 1st.

His numbers from the last two years are a sight to behold. Problem is who will make a trade for him? Cardinals? I doubt the Vikings would after going QB in round 1.

neilster

eagle eye wrote: »

I can't get my head around the fact that Nate Davis has never gotten a chance to do his thing. I always felt the guy was very talented and watching him in preseason for the 49ers the last two years didn't change that. He still ended up being cut by them though. Then the Seahawks signed him in January and I thought this is where he will get a chance but low and behold they cut him in March. There must be some other problem with the guy that we are unaware of because I really do think the guy is a much better player than Alex Smith, David Carr or Troy Smith who were ahead of him last year.



Kaepernick is a good prospect too imo and he might very well be the starter from early on if he has it. Alex Smith is a free agent so I don't get why people think he will be back for another year. I have a feeling that the 49ers are making a move in free agency as I just cannot see Harbaugh being satisfied with Alex Smith, David Carr and a young prospect(unless he is ready to go from day 1).

Eagle eye always loves Nate Davis ..will have to watch more about him cos others have sung his praises

Chucky the tree

Stev_o wrote: »

Denver should be expecting at least a initial 2nd round pick for Orton given us production last year at best maybe they might steal a 1st.

His numbers from the last two years are a sight to behold. Problem is who will make a trade for him? Cardinals? I doubt the Vikings would after going QB in round 1.

Despite the great numbers Orton has shown nothing that he can be a franchise QB who can take a team to the Superbowl though. I've never seen a QB buckle as badly under pressure as Orton. I'd be a lot happier taking a risk on Kolb with a first or 2nd then Orton.

stevemac

I think that Orton is Cardinals second choice. There meant to be after Kolb first. Can't see the Bronco's getting any better than a 3rd rounder for him though.

I like Fitzpatrick, think he is underrated. He does have two targets though, Steve Johnson had a great year last year with him.

Het-Field

Am I sick in the head for thinking that Jason Garrett should start with Jon Kitna ?

neilster

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Despite the great numbers Orton has shown nothing that he can be a franchise QB who can take a team to the Superbowl though. I've never seen a QB buckle as badly under pressure as Orton. I'd be a lot happier taking a risk on Kolb with a first or 2nd then Orton.

i know that the final stretch of the season was a nightmare for Orton but Kolb has had three great games and some very mediocre ones...he has the talent as his debut three games testify to ...but he still hasnt put it all together

Peyton Manning

Het-Field wrote: »

Am I sick in the head for thinking that Jason Garrett should start with Jon Kitna ?

Just a bit, yeah!

Sorry, but Romo is vastly, vastly superior to Jon Kitna imo.

tallaghtoutlaws

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Just a bit, yeah!

Sorry, but Romo is vastly, vastly superior to Jon Kitna imo.

I would agree with this. Kitna is like the super sub though. Type of guy you want on your bench when your Franchise QB goes down injured. But thats all he will ever be. He has shown his abilities and I actually do think he is a good QB but he will always be that guy who replaces your starter. Besides he is pushing 40 at this point.

vinny chase

Rumours knocking around the NFL of late seeming to suggest that the Cardinals are going to offer Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to the Eagles for Kevin Kolb.

Anyone else think this is a bad deal for the Cardinals? One of the main reasons why people think they'd be a good landing spot for a QB is the quality they possess elsewhere on the roster, quality such as DRC. When they've just drafted Patrick Peterson they have the opportunity to have two top-quality corners back there, I wouldn't let one go like that.

If you really think Kolb is worth it, give up a 2nd Rounder next year and maybe a 4th if that'll get the deal done, but I wouldn't be so quick to part with a 1st Round talent corner.

Personally I think Kolb is way overrated in any event.

frostie500

vinny chase wrote: »

Rumours knocking around the NFL of late seeming to suggest that the Cardinals are going to offer Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to the Eagles for Kevin Kolb.

Anyone else think this is a bad deal for the Cardinals? One of the main reasons why people think they'd be a good landing spot for a QB is the quality they possess elsewhere on the roster, quality such as DRC. When they've just drafted Patrick Peterson they have the opportunity to have two top-quality corners back there, I wouldn't let one go like that.

If you really think Kolb is worth it, give up a 2nd Rounder next year and maybe a 4th if that'll get the deal done, but I wouldn't be so quick to part with a 1st Round talent corner.

Personally I think Kolb is way overrated in any event.

The Cards are only a year removed from the Kurt Warner era that showed how much talent they have and granted some of their star players from that team have left but if they think that they can get a QB who can win them games and get them back into the playoffs giving up any other player is definitely worth it. The value of a good QB over a good CB is such that in all fairness to DRC its a no brainer as long as the Cards are confident that Kolb is their guy

EveAlex

my man carson palmer would be a great fit for the cards

him and fitzgerald would get on famously i reckon..

i still wouldnt right off orton tho, id take him over Kolb anyday

TaosHum

vinny chase wrote: »

Rumours knocking around the NFL of late seeming to suggest that the Cardinals are going to offer Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to the Eagles for Kevin Kolb.

Anyone else think this is a bad deal for the Cardinals? One of the main reasons why people think they'd be a good landing spot for a QB is the quality they possess elsewhere on the roster, quality such as DRC. When they've just drafted Patrick Peterson they have the opportunity to have two top-quality corners back there, I wouldn't let one go like that.

If you really think Kolb is worth it, give up a 2nd Rounder next year and maybe a 4th if that'll get the deal done, but I wouldn't be so quick to part with a 1st Round talent corner.

Personally I think Kolb is way overrated in any event.

Well, if Whis thinks Kolb is a franchise QB, then yeah pull the trigger on the trade. I mean the Cards did just draft argubly the best corner prospect in years in Patrick Peterson, so you could see the idea behind moving DRC. If Whis thinks hes getting a QB that could save his job/win the division and parting with a very talented corner, then he is right to do it.

If the Eagles are only going to deal Kolb for a 1st rounder, then he will remain in Philly. Noway do I see any GM giving up that much for a player that only warrented a 2nd round draft pick when he was selected, hasn't shown enough on the field to say he has developed into a QB worth parting with a 1st round pick and hasn't proved he can play out-side of a WCO offense (although he did play the spread in college). Also couple that with the fact that it will be August before he could even look at the playbook with a new team. So doing a straight player swap might sway them to deal Kolb.

I personally dont like the trade as the Cards have the makings of a good secondary with the personnel already in place.

vinny chase

frostie500 wrote: »

The Cards are only a year removed from the Kurt Warner era that showed how much talent they have and granted some of their star players from that team have left but if they think that they can get a QB who can win them games and get them back into the playoffs giving up any other player is definitely worth it. The value of a good QB over a good CB is such that in all fairness to DRC its a no brainer as long as the Cards are confident that Kolb is their guy

Better to give up a first rounder than give up a player you spent a first round pick on who turned out to be a solid player at a position that's importance grows every season as the league gets more and more pass friendly.

A first round pick doesn't guarantee you get a good player for it, there have been stacks of misses in recent seasons by teams. I don't see why you take a risk like this, when realistically you can't be absolutely confident in Kolb at this juncture given the limited time he's actually spent under centre in the NFL.

mikemac

I like Kyle Orton or Marc Bulger for Arizona

Bucky Brooks from NFL.com was tipping Tebow to take over and Jake Delhomme to come to Denver as backup. Possible

Orton has a starter position somewhere in the league

frostie500

vinny chase wrote: »

Better to give up a first rounder than give up a player you spent a first round pick on who turned out to be a solid player at a position that's importance grows every season as the league gets more and more pass friendly.

A first round pick doesn't guarantee you get a good player for it, there have been stacks of misses in recent seasons by teams. I don't see why you take a risk like this, when realistically you can't be absolutely confident in Kolb at this juncture given the limited time he's actually spent under centre in the NFL.

But if the only way the Cards can make a deal with the Eagles is to include another player than they have to make the deal. For what its worth I cant imagine why the Eagles wouldnt take draft picks but if the Cards believe that Kolb is the man to take them back to the playoffs and challenge for a Superbowl then they will make the deal that the Eagles demand

bobby wade

Oton officially on the trading block