Bloody Teachers

Kevin joyce

Teachers in this country make me very mad, They get 4 and a half months of the year off and they are still moaning wanting more money. And none of them offered to work extra days for all the school days missed during the snow, They will have a 3 month holiday starting in one month after just having 2 weeks off,Its a disgrace. In the uk they would be working until late july.

UrbanSea

Think you need to be directed toward Ranting and Raving.

Why don't you become a teacher if they have it so handy?

longhalloween

So do you think the kids should work 9-5 with 2 weeks off a year too?

Urgh, I'd hate to deal with most of the spawn I see wandering the streets after school, imagine having to teach them daily.

mikemac

Well become a teacher so why don't ya

Straylight

And exactly how is this a consumer issue? I'm pretty sure that when you were in school you weren't complaining about having three months off during the summer. As for having more holidays only a month after having two weeks off, well that would be the teacher conspiracy to ensure that Easter is at the most favourable date for them so that they can go on holidays.

dudara

Not a Consumer Issue - moved to After Hours

dudara

arybvtcw0eolkf

Aoifey!

From what I can see, a teacher's job is far from easy.

Nolanger

UrbanSea wrote: »

Why don't you become a teacher if they have it so handy?

Because he's male.

newbee22

Become a teacher if you think it's so easy......

wandatowell

why is everybody telling him to become a teacher???

RHunce

OP would you have liked to be in school for 8 hours a day 45 weeks of the year?

Don't be bitter just because you didn't get the points for teaching.

Big Nasty

Here we go again..........

aido179

You guys can't say that just because he thinks they have it easy, He should be a teacher. at least have a constructive response

I totally agree though. Teachers (the majority, not all of them mind but a VAST majority) have it very easy here and don't respect it. They treat students like crap and have serious superiority issues.

I cant believe they keep compaining about their situation! seriously!

As for public servants in general, I dont have a huge amount of respect for the lack of helpfulness or politeness they seem to think is acceptable.

Nolanger

aido179 wrote: »

They treat students like crap and have serious superiority issues.

Especially the natually brighter students. If you've a high IQ and get taught by most Irish school teachers you're fu*ked!

Fremen

aido179 wrote: »

at least have a contructive response

Build a bridge and get over it.

aido179

Infact OP, you should do your best to not be a teacher. Being a teacher is a social disorder.

ChunkyLover_53

Don't hate the Playa OP...Hate The Game.

Word.

Pride Fighter

Kevin joyce wrote: »

Teachers in this country make me very mad, They get 4 and a half months of the year off and they are still moaning wanting more money. And none of them offered to work extra days for all the school days missed during the snow, They will have a 3 month holiday starting in one month after just having 2 weeks off,Its a disgrace. In the uk they would be working until late july.

Home school your kids then.

P_1

Detention for you OP

jive

Well they don't get much as it is anyway so who cares. If they wanted money they should have chosen a different career. It's not exactly the most demanding job (you have a few ****s in every class but if an adult can't handle kids then lol @ them, they're in the wrong job) so I think the pay they get is fair and it should be enough for anyone to live off anyway.

MagicMarker

RHunce wrote: »

OP would you have liked to be in school for 8 hours a day 45 weeks of the year?

Don't be bitter just because you didn't get the points for teaching.

Aren't the people who do shít in the leaving the ones that usually do arts degrees that leads on to teaching?

jive

RHunce wrote: »

OP would you have liked to be in school for 8 hours a day 45 weeks of the year?

Don't be bitter just because you didn't get the points for teaching.

LOL. Go way out of it will ya. Teaching isn't hard to get into and some of the teachers I know have been the thickest people I've met in my life (albeit one of them thick ones was really sound, extremely dumb though - REALLY dumb). Teaching lololololol

ChunkyLover_53

jive wrote: »

LOL. Go away out of it will ya. Teaching isn't hard to get into and some of the teachers I know have been are the thickest people I've met in my life (albeit, one of them thick ones was really sound, extremely dumb though - REALLY dumb). Teaching lololololol (refrian from using text speak)

See me after class. :mad:

:pac:

Fighting Irish

Kevin joyce wrote: »

Teachers in this country make me very mad, They get 4 and a half months of the year off and they are still moaning wanting more money. And none of them offered to work extra days for all the school days missed during the snow, They will have a 3 month holiday starting in one month after just having 2 weeks off,Its a disgrace. In the uk they would be working until late july.

picked the wrong profession? also it wasn't up to the teachers whether the schools were closed or not while it snowed

jive

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

See me after class. :mad:

:pac:

hey the have been isn't necessarily wrong :P:P

I don't know why I hear so much whinging on the teacher front tbh. They go to work and go home like everyone else but get more time off than most people. Living the life, wouldn't mind it!

annieire

Clearly none of the posters above are teachers! :rolleyes:

Nolanger

annieire wrote: »

Clearly none of the posters above are teachers! :rolleyes:

That's because we can ...

UrbanSea

aido179 wrote: »

You guys can't say that just because he thinks they have it easy, He should be a teacher. at least have a constructive response

I totally agree though. Teachers (the majority, not all of them mind but a VAST majority) have it very easy here and don't respect it. They treat students like crap and have serious superiority issues.

I cant believe they keep compaining about their situation! seriously!

As for public servants in general, I dont have a huge amount of respect for the lack of helpfulness or politeness they seem to think is acceptable.

What isn't constructive about telling him to be a teacher? He sounds quite jealous of the time off they get.
It's not like he's complaining about professional footballers getting paid too much and I told him to become one.
Becoming a teacher is actually achievable realistically.

Nolanger

Check out what they do with the bad teachers in Scotland! http://www.gtcs.org.uk/teacher-regulation/disciplinary-hearings-schedule-decisions.aspx

boogle

Nolanger wrote: »

Check out what they do with the bad teachers in Scotland! http://www.gtcs.org.uk/teacher-regulation/disciplinary-hearings-schedule-decisions.aspx

Most of the stuff on there is mad! Sure if a teacher did any of that over here, they'd be out on their ear too.

byhookorbycrook

"Conviction for Perjury." HA!We'd be down a few public reps if that were enforced throughout the professions here.

Rabies

dudara wrote: »

Not a Consumer Issue - moved to After Hours

dudara

Lets move normal rants to R&R please from now on.

General off the cuff discussions are fine in AH.

Grace16

Well I'm in my first year of training to be a Primary School Teacher and if you're talking about primary teachers then you're completely wrong. I haven't a clue about secondary teaching but even just after doing 3 weeks teaching practice, I can see how hard teachers really do have it. You have lesson plans to do for everything you teach which can take ages to prepare. You have to have loads of resources to make sure that you make the lesson interesting for the children and that they can learn in a more 'visual' way. Aside from that, teaching 30 children who are 4 and 5 years old is extremely hard and tiring. It's such a rewarding profession but you have to come in everyday with a smile on your face and listen to the same story, told by the same children, 100's of times in the one day. In most jobs you don't have to be cheery all of the time and can get away with not smiling for 5 minutes. Then you have the more challenging children who can be really hard to deal with. Sure we get holidays but they are completely deserved.
As I said it's one of the most rewarding jobs and even though it's a hard job, it's something that I love to do. You have to be dedicated to do this job. Anyway that's my input on primary teachers

Grace16

Grace16 wrote: »

Well I'm in my first year of training to be a Primary School Teacher and if you're talking about primary teachers then you're completely wrong. I haven't a clue about secondary teaching but even just after doing 3 weeks teaching practice, I can see how hard teachers really do have it. You have lesson plans to do for everything you teach which can take ages to prepare. You have to have loads of resources to make sure that you make the lesson interesting for the children and that they can learn in a more 'visual' way. Aside from that, teaching 30 children who are 4 and 5 years old is extremely hard and tiring. It's such a rewarding profession but you have to come in everyday with a smile on your face and listen to the same story, told by the same children, 100's of times in the one day. In most jobs you don't have to be cheery all of the time and can get away with not smiling for 5 minutes. Then you have the more challenging children who can be really hard to deal with. Sure we get holidays but they are completely deserved.
As I said it's one of the most rewarding jobs and even though it's a hard job, it's something that I love to do. You have to be dedicated to do this job. Anyway that's my input on primary teachers

Try teaching English as Foreign Language. Similar conditions, but salary is about 20K a year, you're not paid for 'breaks' (for example, an hour off between two classes) or preparation, no sick pay, few or no paid holidays and f**k all job security. Teaching is definitely no piece of cake for anyone, but at least school teachers have a reasonable salary and decent conditions. I definitely don't begrudge school teachers, but I also get irritated when I hear them complaining that they don't get paid enough. The starting salary is more than fair, IMO.

byhookorbycrook

TEFL is not like an ordinary classroom . It's unlikely you will have pupils with behavioural difficulties and most of the pupils WANT to be in the class.Secondary teachers who are not permanent work as you do, i.e. do not get paid for hours "off."

byhookorbycrook

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

TEFL is not like an ordinary classroom . I'ts unlikely you will have pupils with behavioural difficulties and most of the pupils WANT to be in the class.Secondary teachers who are not permanent work as you do,i.e. do not get paid for hours "off."

You're wrong there. There are plenty of students who are only there because they need to be for their visa requirements (the majority of students in my current school are in this category), or because someone else has pushed them into learning English. There are plenty of gobsh1tes and disruptive personalities and horrible spoiled brats and that's just the adults. I had a class of 25 Italian teenage boys last month making obscene comments about me in Italian. At least most schoolchildren speak in English. BTW, I was referring to permanent primary/secondary teachers on a salary, not temporary or cover teachers.

m@cc@

jive wrote: »

Well they don't get much as it is anyway so who cares. If they wanted money they should have chosen a different career.

What a load of sh*te. Would you apply the same criteria to nursing? Name me one profession that doesn't have people in it who want more money.

I'm not a teacher but I would hardly call it an easy job. There's many pitfalls such as being open to accusations and being constantly assessed.

The OP is like something from a disgruntled 14-year-old.

Terry

Kevin joyce wrote: »

Teachers in this country make me very mad, They get 4 and a half months of the year off and they are still moaning wanting more money. And none of them offered to work extra days for all the school days missed during the snow, They will have a 3 month holiday starting in one month after just having 2 weeks off,Its a disgrace. In the uk they would be working until late july.

****ing shocking stuff altogether.

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byhookorbycrook

Juniper Rough Gent wrote: »

You're wrong there. There are plenty of students who are only there because they need to be for their visa requirements (the majority of students in my current school are in this category), or because someone else has pushed them into learning English. There are plenty of gobsh1tes and disruptive personalities and horrible spoiled brats and that's just the adults. I had a class of 25 Italian teenage boys last month making obscene comments about me in Italian. At least most schoolchildren speak in English. BTW, I was referring to permanent primary/secondary teachers on a salary, not temporary or cover teachers.

Did a stint of TEFL, so I know the issues. As to most children having English, not so, huge influx of children with English as a second language and the support teachers have been cut left right and centre. That, loss of SNAs,resource hours cut or not given and a class of 30 + .Anyhow, the issue is how some people think teaching is a cakewalk, so let's not get bogged down in different types of teaching.

population

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

TEFL is not like an ordinary classroom . It's unlikely you will have pupils with behavioural difficulties and most of the pupils WANT to be in the class.Secondary teachers who are not permanent work as you do, i.e. do not get paid for hours "off."

I second everything Izzy has said on this. I personally do most of my hours in public schools, a lot of the time in underprivelages areas and you have to put up with every behavioural condition going. When you do your training you are deliberatley placed in an unreal environment of people who do want to learn English and even that is hard going with the prep etc. But when you get out into the real world it is bloody hard as you realise the conditions under which you were trained were completely manufactured. Even if you teach in a private school it can be hell controlling 10 ten year olds who just do not want to be there. Likesay no holiday pay, sickleave or pension. It is the worst of all worlds compared to being an employee of the state.

population

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Did a stint of TEFL, so I know the issues. As to most children having English, not so, huge influx of children with English as a second language and the support teachers have been cut left right and centre. That, loss of SNAs,resource hours cut or not given and a class of 30 + .Anyhow, the issue is how some people think teaching is a cakewalk, so let's not get bogged down in different types of teaching.

The absolute majority of the kids are fluent in English. The cutting of SNA's and class sizes of 30 is a disgrace but there is an education budget in this state and a large amount of that goes towards paying teachers handsomely for their labour.

Tayto!

I've been teaching for three years (primary) and while I think the pay is fair-the job is far from easy! I go into school at 8 every morning (not for a chat in the staffroom) and leave about 5 everyday...I also bring work home with me most days and at weekends.
I, along with most not in permanent contracts, will NOT get paid for the two months "holidays". Would much rather be working and getting paid BUT teachers aside, the children need the breaks too. Coming up to holidays they are usually wired, they need the holidays.

Try a few days in the classroom and OP you'll soon be singing a different tune...

Why is there always such anger directed towards teachers?? Jealousy or what?
We do a good days work for fair pay - why not direct your anger to the politicians, builders and bankers who bankrupted the country?!

byhookorbycrook

population wrote: »

The absolute majority of the kids are fluent in English. The cutting of SNA's and class sizes of 30 is a disgrace but there is an education budget in this state and a large amount of that goes towards paying teachers handsomely for their labour.

35% foreign nationals in a school in Co. Cork-not city, so no, not the vast majority in many schools

pooch90

Nolanger wrote: »

Check out what they do with the bad teachers in Scotland! http://www.gtcs.org.uk/teacher-regulation/disciplinary-hearings-schedule-decisions.aspx

They're not bad teachers, they're bad people.

montane

Tayto! wrote: »

I've been teaching for three years (primary) and while I think the pay is fair-the job is far from easy! I go into school at 8 every morning (not for a chat in the staffroom) and leave about 5 everyday...I also bring work home with me most days and at weekends. !

Is that in between nursing your hangover and your drinking sessions prior to going to Coppers.

end a eknny

m@cc@ wrote: »

What a load of sh*te. Would you apply the same criteria to nursing? Name me one profession that doesn't have people in it who want more money.

I'm not a teacher but I would hardly call it an easy job. There's many pitfalls such as being open to accusations and being constantly assessed.

The OP is like something from a disgruntled 14-year-old.

your right there nurse or also overpaid and under worked and dont let anybody hear you say a bad word about them sure arent they lovely girls always smiling

population

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

35% foreign nationals in a school in Co. Cork-not city, so no, not the vast majority in many schools

You have picked out one school with a 35% non national rate but frankly that does not mean anything. Just because a child was born in another country does not mean that they, having probably been raised in Ireland, do not speak English already. That aside, let us assume that every single school in Ireland has this level of non nationals, even at a 35% figure (for one school again), I stand by what I said that the vast majority of children in Irish schools are fluent in English.

pooch90

population wrote: »

You have picked out one school with a 35% non national rate but frankly that does not mean anything. Just because a child was born in another country does not mean that they, having probably been raised in Ireland, do not speak English already. That aside, let us assume that every single school in Ireland has this level of non nationals, even at a 35% figure (for one school again), I stand by what I said that the vast majority of children in Irish schools are fluent in English.

Is there a point to this argument?
My school 30% English not first language
My class 25%.

delta_bravo

Nolanger wrote: »

Check out what they do with the bad teachers in Scotland! http://www.gtcs.org.uk/teacher-regulation/disciplinary-hearings-schedule-decisions.aspx

A lot of those teachers are probably in prison or awaiting criminal convictions. A lot of the stuff there is sexual abuse and assault. It would be no different in Ireland but the Teaching Council/Department don't publish these decisions

population

pooch90 wrote: »

Is there a point to this argument?
My school 30% English not first language
My class 25%.

My point was following on from something Izzy said. I stated the majority of children in Irish schools speak English. I was challenged on this statement and I responded. As above 75% in your class speak English, therefore I was correct to say what I said