Is it better to do "messing" in private car parks or public roads?

Signpost

Granted, someone owns the car park. Granted a few rings might give off a negative vibe but in all honest can someone condone hunting people from a remote place like an empty shopping centre car park to a main road? If the authorities wont make a location available for people to go do these stunts is it not better to let them do them off public roads and away from the general public? If you see 50 / 100 / 200 cars in a car park at 2am the chances are you aren't going to go in there unless you plan on seeing some scutting. Is it not in the general publics interest to let them off and roast their tyres for all there worth, even come in and just keep an eye that things don't get out of hand and check every single tyre on every single car coming out to make sure they are still in road worthy condition if they want to make a presence felt for the general road user? I see it al the time where people see the flashing blues and take off in a mad adrenaline rush like their in toyko drift which has to be a significantly larger risk? No matter what the guards try they WON'T stop people doing this kind of activity. I wont say its right, I wont say its wrong but I will say its reality. I have seen events online where groups of boy racers / enthusiasts / general public go to a car park, do as they please and have the police stand back and admire whats going on and make sure everything is in order. It must from a practicality point of view be easier to supervise 1 car park vs 100km radius of road? I know the argument will also be made that people might complain but if two people sat on a wall playing tidily winks for long enough some typical Irish crank would eventually make a complaint! Its Ireland, people will always complain and usually be ignored, why treat this differently? Maybe I'm alone in this belief but thats my pennies worth on the matter. Love to hear what anyone else has to think on this issue.

JimmyCrackCorn

Put your money where your mouth is and organise one instead of moaning. They already exist with property owners permission instead of trespassing. In fact there's one tonight organised by DTD.

Playing the victim and doing what you like is a completely different thing. If I have to get permission to march scouts through a town why would you be any different.

Signpost

Jesus man, wtf like? I asked a question which was intended to start a civil discussion on the forum? I never once asked about running one / asking someone else to run one or anyone to parade around with anyone in a scouts uniform? If you can contribute to a discussion please do so but otherwise would you let someone else give a say on the matter?

Atomic Pineapple

Loads of track days up North, along with drag strip days, drift days and we're catching up down south too with public track days in Mondello and if you join a club theres usually a few private track, drag and drift days organised through them if they're any good.

You even have drag and drifting in Carlow at Casey's drifters as a cheap alternative.

If there's nothing accessible in your area then campaign to have something made accessible.

With a bit of effort you can get to any of the above or get the ball rolling on something in your area. No one has any excuse to me "messing" on public roads or in private car parks.

Mr. Presentable

"Messing"? Acting the mick tbh. Having a modified car doesn't mean you have to be a plonker. That's how people get groups a bad name.

Organise or attend an organised meet, at a suitable venue where other people won't be victimised.

brembo26

there is a place here in Co.Galway as well. out Tuam side afaik.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001497035468

28064212

Signpost wrote: »

Jesus man, wtf like? I asked a question which was intended to start a civil discussion on the forum? I never once asked about running one / asking someone else to run one or anyone to parade around with anyone in a scouts uniform? If you can contribute to a discussion please do so but otherwise would you let someone else give a say on the matter?

Is it better to throw rubbish in a public park or someone's garden? Both options are ignorant

Testament1

Drift day on in Limerick the 21st (I think) of May. Events like these are becoming more and more popular as people realise its a much better way of testing out their cars, rather than doing it in car parks or roads where you run the risk of ending up in court.

Graham_B18C

I can't see anything majorly wrong with this thread, the OP didn't mention that we should all go to a carpark, and he never mentioned organising a meet.

He's only asking opinions on the subject. No need for anyone to attack em. Keep things civil folks.

But my opinion on the matter is, I don't think this should be going on, as Chris mentioned in the other thread that the land does belong to someone so nobody has the right to be thrashing their cars on someone else's property without permission. Look at Ballymount for example, it's a complete disaster, it's in a Business Park on a Sunday night (well outside business hours) but there's trouble at it every week. These things attract the idiots. They just don't work. I can't blame the guards for not allowing it. And I haven't even started on the dodgy driving the people do going to/from these events.

-Chris-

I heard my name... :D

Signpost wrote: »

Granted, someone owns the car park. Granted a few rings might give off a negative vibe but in all honest can someone condone hunting people from a remote place like an empty shopping centre car park to a main road?

Yes, I condone it.

If the property belongs to someone who doesn't want doughnut marks on it or who's worried about the cost of replacing an aluminium bollard or trolley bay, then definitely the doughnut-ers should be moved on.

Signpost wrote: »

If the authorities wont make a location available for people to go do these stunts is it not better to let them do them off public roads and away from the general public?

The authorities should make a location available.
If the authorities don't make a location available, people should lobby and protest until they do.
If you're not provided with a location officially, it doesn't give you the right to choose a location you think is "fine" and do your stunts.

Signpost wrote: »

If you see 50 / 100 / 200 cars in a car park at 2am the chances are you aren't going to go in there unless you plan on seeing some scutting.

What's the point with this bit? Is there a threshold of numbers where trespassing isn't an issue anymore?

Signpost wrote: »

Is it not in the general publics interest to let them off and roast their tyres for all there worth, even come in and just keep an eye that things don't get out of hand and check every single tyre on every single car coming out to make sure they are still in road worthy condition if they want to make a presence felt for the general road user?

I honestly believe that, if this happened, we'd have a million posts in here the next day about Garda bullying of modified car enthusiasts, and how they waited at the entrance and scrutinised every car for defects - a million people asking why the Gardai aren't out catching "real criminals".

Signpost wrote: »

I see it al the time where people see the flashing blues and take off in a mad adrenaline rush like their in toyko drift which has to be a significantly larger risk?

I'm not sure if I understand this point. Are you saying that people evade arrest because they aren't provided with an official place to do doughnuts?

Signpost wrote: »

No matter what the guards try they WON'T stop people doing this kind of activity. I wont say its right, I wont say its wrong but I will say its reality.

Why won't you say if it's right or wrong, it's your thread - get off the fence!

Signpost wrote: »

I have seen events online where groups of boy racers / enthusiasts / general public go to a car park, do as they please and have the police stand back and admire whats going on and make sure everything is in order.

That would be the ideal situation. I presume there are insurance & liability issues otherwise the Gardai would probably consider it "Community Policing".

Have you, or any of the clubs/forums you belong to, approached the Gardai with a proposal regarding this?

Signpost wrote: »

It must from a practicality point of view be easier to supervise 1 car park vs 100km radius of road?

I presume it is.

On the other hand, I always find that when I'm coming home from a go-karting session that I'm far more likely to take the "racing line" on public roads on the way home. Might the concern be that allowing people to do "stunts" might get the blood up, rather than calming people down?

Signpost wrote: »

I know the argument will also be made that people might complain but if two people sat on a wall playing tidily winks for long enough some typical Irish crank would eventually make a complaint! Its Ireland, people will always complain and usually be ignored, why treat this differently?

It probably depends on who complains, and how well they do it.

If the property owner complains, or if the nearby neighbourhood organises a Residents' Association who complain to the local Superintendent in writing, it'll be taken more seriously than one cat-lady ringing up the local station for a moan.

Signpost wrote: »

Maybe I'm alone in this belief but thats my pennies worth on the matter. Love to hear what anyone else has to think on this issue.

See above!! :D

challengemaster

draffodx wrote: »

If there's nothing accessible in your area then campaign to have something made accessible.

With a bit of effort you can get to any of the above or get the ball rolling on something in your area.

Campaigning for something and it actually getting done are two very different things. In the past few years, there's been at least 2 drift tracks closed down due to noise complaints - people aren't willing to provide a place for things to legally happen yet complain when they happen elsewhere....

be it planning permission, noise complaints or whatever other backing the idea won't receive from the public / local authorities / etc, people just take a NIMBY approach to these things. Unfortunately, your suggestion doesn't hold any weight in real-life.

Atomic Pineapple

challengemaster wrote: »

Campaigning for something and it actually getting done are two very different things. In the past few years, there's been at least 2 drift tracks closed down due to noise complaints - people aren't willing to provide a place for things to legally happen yet complain when they happen elsewhere....

be it planning permission, noise complaints or whatever other backing the idea won't receive from the public / local authorities / etc, people just take a NIMBY approach to these things. Unfortunately, your suggestion doesn't hold any weight in real-life.

Of course it does, if thought out and proposed properly it can be done with a bit of work, see caseys drifters or the lad on dtd that runs his own private track.

Obviously starting something up where noise is going to be an issue for surrounding residents isn't the smartest way to start things off.

Talk to the right people , show them its viable and will work and that it will take it off the streets and they will listen.

Obviously it wont happen overnight or take effort but it is possible and if everyone that moaned and complained on websites about it went and done something about it instead then there'd be provisions made. It was the exact same with skate parks years ago.

diarmo111

brembo26 wrote: »

there is a place here in Co.Galway as well. out Tuam side afaik.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001497035468

Yes out in belclare near tuam at the back of some lads garage. Creat craic and its all legal at the end of they day!

YBTurbo

Trying to organise one myself,

As you can see there is little interest here, but I have got very good interest on the drifting sites.

This is a proper track,


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71946054#post71946054

Testament1

YBTurbo wrote: »

Trying to organise one myself,

As you can see there is little interest here, but I have got very good interest on the drifting sites.

This is a proper track,


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71946054#post71946054

Been following that thread over on DI about this. Dont have a RWD myself but my mate is going in his 180 so might head over to this with him.

Hunter21

Ive owned various RWD's, bought them for acting the clown on puplic roads when I was young and foolish
So I speak from experience, its well and good having private yards but to and from the location lads and ladies will always act the goat on the road. Ive gone to meets and locations but it was the buzz of doing it on a public road that gets most people going. Ive grown up (Still only 22) and see no skill attched to doing doughnuts and smoking rubber.

If you've any balls and can afford to blow up the car "diffin" then go into prodrift or rallying.

If some people wonder why they get hassle from guards then its cos your guilty by association.

12gauge dave

Hunter21 wrote: »

Ive owned various RWD's, bought them for acting the clown on puplic roads when I was young and foolish
So I speak from experience, its well and good having private yards but to and from the location lads and ladies will always act the goat on the road. Ive gone to meets and locations but it was the buzz of doing it on a public road that gets most people going. Ive grown up (Still only 22) and see no skill attched to doing doughnuts and smoking rubber.

If you've any balls and can afford to blow up the car "diffin" then go into prodrift or rallying.

If some people wonder why they get hassle from guards then its cos your guilty by association.

ya mate same as im 22 now and am out of the boy racer scene due to lack of money price of petrol and there isnt really a scene anymore is there????
ya it was always the buzz of blackening junctions or new bypasses before they get opened by bertie:P the guards used to feel like my nemisis and now i still dislike the guards but i do reaslise i was a maggot behind the wheel

freestyla

Its just too much private land everywhere.

Organising and campaining simply doesn't work in reality. Very hard. People are too skeptical about cars+youth combination. Private land owners would rather let their abandon rusty place to ghosts than rent it to us.

Something like Casseys drifters is fine but theres no many such organizers or? What do we have on east side here, when feeling to do few donughts?

Mondello yeah but unreasonable prices.

YBTurbo

freestyla wrote: »

Its just too much private land everywhere.

Organising and campaining simply doesn't work in reality. Very hard. People are too skeptical about cars+youth combination. Private land owners would rather let their abandon rusty place to ghosts than rent it to us.

Something like Casseys drifters is fine but theres no many such organizers or? What do we have on east side here, when feeling to do few donughts?

Mondello yeah but unreasonable prices.

Or you can come down here and have the use of a full track for €20.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056231502

freestyla

YBTurbo wrote: »

Or you can come down here and have the use of a full track for €20.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056231502

I might attend

have to sort out one problem first..

YBTurbo

freestyla wrote: »

I might attend

have to sort out one problem first..

Cheers, can you notify me by PM if you are attending please.

Name Car and Location

Trying to get a good turnout

eurofoxy

here in holland its not seen on public roads that much, you get a bit but not as much as i have seen at home.
The cops here organise weekend events almost every weekend and during school holidays etc there are courses for young drivers,
They usually do them in the car parks of football stadiums when there is no game on, they have even been know to close a highway in one direction on a saturday night from say 10 till 2 and let the guys drag there,

But and its the biggest thing, the rules are strict, every car coming along is checked for sound and tyres, and then if they suspect something amiss as a lupo gti just hammered an a4 the car is checked to make sure everything is legal....
They also dont allow betting or gambling.
Everyone pays a small fee usually 5-10 euro this pays for the clean up and getting all the skid marks up......

One massive plus is that there are no vendors there its just about meeting your friends and having a laugh, itsorganised and run by the police so there is no dangerous stuff and everyone attending is brough in convoy to the locations with police escort...

In my opinion its a great way of doing it...

Signpost

Thats sounds class eurofoxy! Me thinks I know where I'm going on holidays this summer!

challengemaster

eurofoxy wrote: »

here in holland its not seen on public roads that much, you get a bit but not as much as i have seen at home.
The cops here organise weekend events almost every weekend and during school holidays etc there are courses for young drivers,
They usually do them in the car parks of football stadiums when there is no game on, they have even been know to close a highway in one direction on a saturday night from say 10 till 2 and let the guys drag there,

But and its the biggest thing, the rules are strict, every car coming along is checked for sound and tyres, and then if they suspect something amiss as a lupo gti just hammered an a4 the car is checked to make sure everything is legal....
They also dont allow betting or gambling.
Everyone pays a small fee usually 5-10 euro this pays for the clean up and getting all the skid marks up......

One massive plus is that there are no vendors there its just about meeting your friends and having a laugh, itsorganised and run by the police so there is no dangerous stuff and everyone attending is brough in convoy to the locations with police escort...

In my opinion its a great way of doing it...

Sounds brilliant. Chances of it ever happening here? Nil.

diarmo111

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkZ7tJjrrMI

:rolleyes:

laoishibee

diarmo111 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkZ7tJjrrMI

:rolleyes:

Hahaha brilliant... i know the chap in the trolley... man fecker!!