How sympathetic are you towards accidental drug overdoses?

m@cc@

I have to say, part of me thinks if you play with fire, etc. Not that I wish death on them but I don't think I have as much sympathy as say someone who crashes their car due to an icy road.

(I'm not putting a poll in as I don't think it's a black and white question)

themadchef

I think im sympathetic to "accidental" anything tbh.

Dudess

Very - whatever about playing with fire, it's still a tragic and premature end to a life.

starbelgrade

I'm unsympathetic towards polls.

Kiera

If its someone taking a load of pills as a cry for help then i'm not sympathetic at all. If its someone who has taken something that doesnt agree with them ie. 'E' or coke with their mates then i'm a tiny bit sympathetic.

seanybiker

Don't feel bad for them at all

kfallon

themadchef wrote: »

I think im sympathetic to "accidental" anything tbh.

Wait til I piss your bed some night :eek: :pac:

bodice ripper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bs7EqlLiSs

Brain Stroking

Very

Daegerty

These stories are usually about some young girl and after the overdose its all

"Dont you feel sorry for this poor misguided girl, her friends and the parents, so tragic" and it would be the drug dealers fault, the boyfriends fault everyone elses fault but the thick bitch who actually sat down and consumed the drugs that killed her.

Before the incident the girl would be just another annoying, rude young tearaway with no regard for those around her except maybe the few scumbags she hangs out with.

it always amazes me how the scummiest slybag in the world will be made out to be a salt of the earth lad after they craok it

Kevin Duffy

Kiera wrote: »

If its someone taking a load of pills as a cry for help then i'm not sympathetic at all. If its someone who has taken something that doesnt agree with them ie. 'E' or coke with their mates then i'm a tiny bit sympathetic.

In despair and cries for help = no sympathy

Knows the risks of illegal drugs and carries on anyway = sympathy

Really? Wow.

boatbuilder

Most people who do drugs know the risks.
No sympathy here I'm afraid.

jive

I have sympathy for those overdosing accidentally on prescribed and/or necessary drugs for medicinal purposes.

I don't have sympathy for those using recreational drugs who take too much. We are better off without those people. Although I do feel sympathy for their friends and especially their family.

Kiera

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

In despair and cries for help = no sympathy

Knows the risks of illegal drugs and carries on anyway = sympathy

Really? Wow.

"tiny bit" more. Cries for help are a load of me bollox. Will never feel sorry for people like that. But yeah if some silly fecker takes a load of pills cause their mates are and they kick the bucket then i'd feel a bit sorry for them. Not much mind you. Both are idiots imo.

Oh_Noes

I don't see the point of this. Sympathy makes no difference to anything whatsoever unless it's acted on.

Would the people saying they've less sympathy refuse to come to the aid of the person who's had the accident?

pragmatic1

Does you line of reasoning extend to smokers, fat people, adrenaline junkies, etc, OP.

Venom

I have zero sympathy for those who die from the use of recreational drugs as the risks are so well known.

Dangerous Man

How could you possibly be unsympathetic to another human being who dies from an accidental overdose? It doesn't make any sense.

Kiera

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Does you line of reasoning extend to smokers, fat people, adrenaline junkies, etc, OP.

How do you overdose on smokes?

Logical Fallacy

boatbuilder wrote: »

Most people who do drugs know the risks.
No sympathy here I'm afraid.

Actually, i would dispute this. Most people who do drugs know the blown out of proportion bull**** that is touted by Government bodies as drug safety...very few people start taking drugs with adequate knowledge of the real dangers and safety issues of drugs.

The fact of the matter is that there is not enough proper information out there to keep people safe. The Irish Government in particular have been hammering the same model for donkeys years, which clearly is not working when it comes to stopping people experimenting with drugs.

pragmatic1

Kiera wrote: »

How do you overdose on smokes?

By smoking too many. Duh.

Logical Fallacy

Kiera wrote: »

How do you overdose on smokes?

It actually doesn't take all that much nicotine to kill someone.

Kiera

pragmatic1 wrote: »

By smoking too many. Duh.

Ok i'm still not getting this? You think if i sat here and smoked fags non stop for say 24hrs i'd die? Or how long would i have to do it for?

Oh_Noes

jive wrote: »

I have sympathy for those overdosing accidentally on prescribed and/or necessary drugs for medicinal purposes.

I don't have sympathy for those using recreational drugs who take too much. We are better off without those people. Although I do feel sympathy for their friends and especially their family.

We're not better off without Phil Lynott, Gerry Ryan (even though I was never a fan) and countless others.

Kiera

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

It actually doesn't take all that much nicotine to kill someone.

Yeah if you inject it!

gosuckonalemon

For those who are unsympathetic. Would you also be unsympathetic towards morbidly obese people who eat their way into an early grave? Not as sudden an OD but a self induced premature death through excess all the same..

And smokers dying from lung cancer for that matter, same premise..

Dudess

Daegerty wrote: »

These stories are usually about some young girl and after the overdose its all

"Dont you feel sorry for this poor misguided girl, her friends and the parents, so tragic" and it would be the drug dealers fault, the boyfriends fault everyone elses fault but the thick bitch who actually sat down and consumed the drugs that killed her.

Before the incident the girl would be just another annoying, rude young tearaway with no regard for those around her except maybe the few scumbags she hangs out with.

it always amazes me how the scummiest slybag in the world will be made out to be a salt of the earth lad after they craok it

I'd totally see it as their fault - I'm just not completely cold though.

themadchef

kfallon wrote: »

Wait til I piss your bed some night :eek: :pac:

If you're in my bed, píssing in it will be the least of your worries bukko! :pac:

Kevin Duffy

Kiera wrote: »

"tiny bit" more. Cries for help are a load of me bollox. Will never feel sorry for people like that. But yeah if some silly fecker takes a load of pills cause their mates are and they kick the bucket then i'd feel a bit sorry for them. Not much mind you. Both are idiots imo.

You do realise at the back of our horrific stats on suicide in Ireland are a lot of people who didn't cry for help, or did and found no sympathy? Now that's a load o' me bollix.

Two friends of mine growing up, one didn't cry out and paid the price, one didn't listen and paid the price. If I could talk to them now

Kadongy

Oh_Noes wrote: »

We're not better off without Phil Lynott, Gerry Ryan (even though I was never a fan) and countless others.

I thought Phil Lynott's death was caused [indirectly] by heroin withdrawal, which is the opposite to an overdose I suppose I remember seeing his mother being interviewed talking about it. I might have remembered incorrectly, so if someone know for sure can verify this please do.

Naikon

It depends on the context surrounding the death. It's not enough to simply state "yes:no" because unusual factors which may have lead to the death may be present, whereas normally they would not. For instance, do you think you are less likely to overdose on a haste following a job loss?

degausserxo

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

For those who are unsympathetic. Would you also be unsympathetic towards...

And smokers dying from lung cancer for that matter, same premise..

tbh yeah. I was very, very close to my aunt who died from lung cancer last year. It's horrible that she's gone and I miss her terribly, but jaysus, it was her own fault. Nobody forced her to smoke 20 a day for 40 odd years, she took it upon herself to do that, just as the majority of drug users who overdose do.

Kiera

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

You do realise at the back of our horrific stats on suicide in Ireland are a lot of people who didn't cry for help, or did and found no sympathy? Now that's a load o' me bollix.

Two friends of mine growing up, one didn't cry out and paid the price, one didn't listen and paid the price. If I could talk to them now

Oi i've had close family members from suicide! That is not what i was talking about so dont twist my words. If some thick fúck wants to take a load of pills to get attention and die as a result of it then i dont feel one bit sorry for them.

strobe

About as sympathetic as I am to accidental horse riding injuries.

pragmatic1

Kiera wrote: »

Ok i'm still not getting this? You think if i sat here and smoked fags non stop for say 24hrs i'd die? Or how long would i have to do it for?

Yes. Also overdose doesnt necessarily mean death.

Aishae

i dont feel sorry for a supposedly intelligent person who - knowing the risks of drug use - still used it.

teens are better educated on drugs these days. when i was in secondary school 15 years ago it was even drilled into us then. so they cant be all misguided about it. but theres also peer pressure to try drugs in some cases. and while you can argue that you shouldnt give in to peer pressure - thats easier said than done. so i do feel some sympathy for cases like this that lead to overdose.

Kevin Duffy

Kiera wrote: »

Oi i've had close family members from suicide! If some thick fúck wants to take a load of pills to get attention and die as a result of it then i dont feel one bit sorry for them.

You're a wonderful human being. God Bless you.

Kiera

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Yes. Also overdose doesnt necessarily mean death.

Ok, can explain how you would overdose on smokes please? I did ask you to explain this already. Seeing as i'm stupid and all.....

AskMyChocolate

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm unsympathetic towards polls.

Oh boy! How lucky are you that you can spell better than most ?;):p

*puts popcorn back in the press*

strobe

Kiera wrote: »

Ok, can explain how you would overdose on smokes please? I did ask you to explain this already. Seeing as i'm stupid and all.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning

Kiera

strobe wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning

Ah but thats saying you'd have to smoke 5 times the amount of a normal smoke at once? Am i getting that right? Therefore unless you really tried and made your own you cant really die from smokes?

/its late and i'm tired. But you cant OD and normal fags.

pragmatic1

Kiera wrote: »

Ok, can explain how you would overdose on smokes please? I did ask you to explain this already. Seeing as i'm stupid and all.....

How do you think Kiera. Seriously.

Dudess

Overdosing on lots of things is a risk - alcohol, high-fat foods (over a longer period of time, granted), prescription meds. If someone dies of a drug overdose, it's the excessive amount that kills them, not the drug alone. So that renders invalid the "They knew the risks of drugs" argument. It does validate a "They knew the risks of overdosing" argument though, but it's awfully heartless and callous to be dismissive of a death on that basis.

Kiera

pragmatic1 wrote: »

How do you think Kiera. Seriously.

Do i need to ask you a 3rd time? Seriously? And here, have one of these too :rolleyes:

jive

TAKE IT EASY ON THE WATER THAT SHUTFF'L KILL YA

strobe

Kiera wrote: »

Ah but thats saying you'd have to smoke 5 times the amount of a normal smoke at once? Am i getting that right? Therefore unless you really tried and made your own you cant really die from smokes?

/its late and i'm tired. But you cant OD and normal fags.

No it just means you have to take a high enough dose in a short enough time frame. Same as with anything. It's unlikely but not impossible.

Logical Fallacy

Kiera wrote: »

Ah but thats saying you'd have to smoke 5 times the amount of a normal smoke at once? Am i getting that right? Therefore unless you really tried and made your own you cant really die from smokes?

/its late and i'm tired. But you cant OD and normal fags.

Where did you get the 5 times thing?

"the amount in about five cigarettes or half a cigar, has the potential to kill an adult who is not a smoker"

You asked how people could overdose on cigarettes and are being told, now you seem to be assuming that people could not overdose on cigarettes.

You can overdose on pretty much anything if you apply yourself.

Also, i think you have a common, but maybe misplaced, understanding of "a cry for help". The term is normally given to things like self destructive behaviour, self harm etc as opposed to failed suicide attempts.

Kiera

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Where did you get the 5 times thing?

"the amount in about five cigarettes or half a cigar, has the potential to kill an adult who is not a smoker"

You asked how people could overdose on cigarettes and are being told, now you seem to be assuming that people could not overdose on cigarettes.

You can overdose on pretty much anything if you apply yourself.

I just find it "out there" that say my Mam who doesnt smoke could have half a cigar in one go and pop her clogs? I've seen how it can kill by injection but not from smoking. I've just never ever heard of that.

Ilovemyusername

You don't know anyone's circumstances, drugs are addictive and a lot of people try to get off them but fail to do so, so they deserve no sympathy? Some people on here would want to get off their high horses and stop being so closed-minded! :mad:

Bucklesman

I feel sympathy for people that die before their time in any circumstances.

diddlybit

I do have some sympathy. Recreational drugs affect people in different ways. I know people that have taken enough to turn your brain into Swiss cheese and are fine now. Others, on their second time taking acid end up screwed up for years. Know way too many guys in mental hospitals because of them. Drugs are bad!

Once meth gets here, the country is screwed (or so my American visitor friend says.)