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diarmo111

did anyone see crimecall on modified cars. What a joke and people killing and robbing all over the place, cant they use thier resources on them instead :mad:

Atomic Pineapple

The only thing I seen wrong with it is he called them enthusiasts several times when they are clearly not.

Everything else was fine on it, exhaust noise in particular is a serious issue in many areas and if they use the new equipment properly to stamp it out then whats the issue?

If you dont act like a tool in a car you wont get any hassle off the gardai.

diarmo111

yes I agree they are not, and give a bad name. But say some of us that don't go acting the ejgit and get stopped and get fines etc I just think it is not fair.

JimmyCrackCorn

draffodx wrote: »

The only thing I seen wrong with it is he called them enthusiasts several times when they are clearly not.

Everything else was fine on it, exhaust noise in particular is a serious issue in many areas and if they use the new equipment properly to stamp it out then whats the issue?

If you dont act like a tool in a car you wont get any hassle off the gardai.

Has been my personal experience. Once your not making an ass of yourself you get left alone. Generally those who have had reports rang in get hassled.

Iv never had an issue at a checkpoint and it usually ends up with a friendly chat while I hand a mound of paperwork out the window.

-Chris-

diarmo111 wrote: »

yes I agree they are not, and give a bad name. But say some of us that don't go acting the ejgit and get stopped and get fines etc I just think it is not fair.

Fines for what?

JimmyCrackCorn

-Chris- wrote: »

Fines for what?

You cant get a fine without grounds.

Make sure your car is 100pc legal. If your being pulled consistently with no grounds then you have a case for harassment.

The noise limit is very fair, the tint rules are fair and at least the new policy sets a definite limit removing the guard deciding at the scene if he thinks your cars loud.

If it gets the muppets its a win for everyone.

DjKlubster

Apparently theres a little cheat in the exhaust test thing.. If Your Car Doesnt Have a rev counter then they cant test your exhaust.. plus they never test it right.. the law with the test is the car has to be going at 30 miles p/h past the little machine???

Atomic Pineapple

DjKlubster wrote: »

Apparently theres a little cheat in the exhaust test thing.. If Your Car Doesnt Have a rev counter then they cant test your exhaust.. plus they never test it right.. the law with the test is the car has to be going at 30 miles p/h past the little machine???

The machine they have tells the Garda what the car is revving at, they dont need the car to have a rev counter.

And nowhere in law does it state the car has to be going 30 miles per hour. (We dont even use miles per hour anymore)

PaudyW

yeah saw that bit of the show last nite and taught it was very unfair targeting young people and cars, fair enough noisy exhaust in estates is a nightmare, but the amount of guards at the checkpoint and using helicopter was a bit of a waste of money in fairness, many of top end cars have v dark tints and they dont get fined and hassled, its just easier to hassle youngsters they older people with money i guess. im far from a boy racer and dont have much time for modified cars, but really taught it was unfair.

Atomic Pineapple

PaudyW wrote: »

yeah saw that bit of the show last nite and taught it was very unfair targeting young people and cars, fair enough noisy exhaust in estates is a nightmare, but the amount of guards at the checkpoint and using helicopter was a bit of a waste of money in fairness, many of top end cars have v dark tints and they dont get fined and hassled, its just easier to hassle youngsters they older people with money i guess. im far from a boy racer and dont have much time for modified cars, but really taught it was unfair.

They were targeting the cause of the problem, if older people drove around industrial estates acting like idiots they would be targeted too. Any young people that don't wont be targeted - simple.

They were in Ballymount, I presume you don't know much about Ballymounts reputation when it comes to idiots in cars? A large checkpoint is the minimum I'd expect there and fair play for using the helicopter to track dangerous driving. If it wasn't required anywhere else then why not use it?

Also no top end cars come with tints that break the law.

diarmo111

-Chris- wrote: »

Fines for what?

just over a year ago I was just driving into town at night time (below the speed limit) when I was stopped. One of the two guardai said they exhaust was too loud (which it wasnt, and I had a silencer in at the time) and that I had to take off my aftermarket steering wheel, tints, and sunvisor ( which was tiny), needless to say my summons arrived in the post a few weeks later. It is this sort of thing that bugs me most, that we spend money on our cars and cant enjoy them.:mad:

-Chris-

diarmo111 wrote: »

just over a year ago I was just driving into town at night time (below the speed limit) when I was stopped. One of the two guardai said they exhaust was too loud (which it wasnt, and I had a silencer in at the time) and that I had to take off my aftermarket steering wheel, tints, and sunvisor ( which was tiny), needless to say my summons arrived in the post a few weeks later. It is this sort of thing that bugs me most, that we spend money on our cars and cant enjoy them.:mad:

Did it go straight to summons, or did you receive fines which you contested/didn't pay?
Were the tints/s'wheel/sunvisor actually illegal? What did the judge say?

diarmo111

I got a summons and went sraight into the station and explained why I thought it was unfair. Of course they said they couldnt do anything. So I got my solistor to go into the judge and basically explain the crazyness of it all, and he just threw it out in the end ( saying as long as its 100% legit your okay) that was 2 days before it was to be heard. They were legal. The visor was almost a factory one, and the sterring wheell was 100% legal. Alright I didnt have to pay the fine but if it ended up in the courts I would have most likely!??.

Atomic Pineapple

Once you get a summons you have to appear in court, I presume you mean your solicitor appeared for you in court?

diarmo111

no!,he went down to the judge (think it was the monday) and had a "word" so to speak with the judge and rang me to say there was no need to go down as it was thrown out

DjKlubster

draffodx wrote: »

The machine they have tells the Garda what the car is revving at, they dont need the car to have a rev counter.

And nowhere in law does it state the car has to be going 30 miles per hour. (We dont even use miles per hour anymore)

im doubting that very much..

And i didnt mean law... its like the manual of that machine..so if they dont do it that way then they cant do anything about yur exhaust!!

Atomic Pineapple

DjKlubster wrote: »

im doubting that very much..

And i didnt mean law... its like the manual of that machine..so if they dont do it that way then they cant do anything about yur exhaust!!

Doubting what? One of the lads on here had his car tested and the machine told the Garda when he was at the correct amount of revs.

Where can I have a read of this manual?

DjKlubster

well iv heard by word of mouth... One me friends said they got stopped and couldnt be tested beacause of no rev gauge...

And i was just told that by a friend currently looking it up!! But my friend is a reserve gaurds so yano..

Graham_B18C

The test is done at a standstill, a friend of mine (also a bordsie) was tested a few weeks ago. I can't remember if he said they went by his rev counter though

JimmyCrackCorn

diarmo111 wrote: »

I got a summons and went sraight into the station and explained why I thought it was unfair. Of course they said they couldnt do anything. So I got my solistor to go into the judge and basically explain the crazyness of it all, and he just threw it out in the end ( saying as long as its 100% legit your okay) that was 2 days before it was to be heard. They were legal. The visor was almost a factory one, and the sterring wheell was 100% legal. Alright I didnt have to pay the fine but if it ended up in the courts I would have most likely!??.

After that you lodged a complaint to the ombudsman so it wouldn't happen to you again. Or advise your soliciter to write a letter outlining the issue.

If your 100pc legal there are ways and means of dealing with this. It may cost you a day out of work but it will finish it very quick.

DjKlubster

Graham_B18C wrote: »

The test is done at a standstill, a friend of mine (also a bordsie) was tested a few weeks ago. I can't remember if he said they went by his rev counter though

yea they do it at a standstill... but if what i was told is right..Then it wouldnt hold in court cause it wasnt properly conducted.. but could be wrong??even tho this came from a gaurd??

Atomic Pineapple

Sure the NCT noise test is done at a standstill, the test calls for it to be done at a standstill, the only reason the test might be void is because of excessive road noise but again the equipment is set up so that it tests this first.

I doubt anyone in the Garda reserve has anything to do with the traffic corp and would know about the same as the man down the pub on a Saturday night.

DjKlubster

draffodx wrote: »

I doubt anyone in the Garda reserve has anything to do with the traffic corp and would know about the same as the man down the pub on a Saturday night.

Wrong With that statement..Thats most of what reserve gaurds do.. Help out at checkpoints..so theyd know ten times more then the man down the pub on a Saturday night!!

Atomic Pineapple

DjKlubster wrote: »

Wrong With that statement..Thats most of what reserve gaurds do.. Help out at checkpoints..so theyd know ten times more then the man down the pub on a Saturday night!!

Help out at checkpoints means check for papers on a windscreen, nothing to do with actual proper GTC procedures.

You wont see a Garda reserve using the noise or tint equipment for example.

DjKlubster

draffodx wrote: »

Help out at checkpoints means check for papers on a windscreen, nothing to do with actual proper GTC procedures.

You wont see a Garda reserve using the noise or tint equipment for example.

They're still trained to use the equipment

Bosco boy

DjKlubster wrote: »

They're still trained to use the equipment

Reserve members are not trained to use the equipment and will not be trained to use it, they are confined to very limited powers and this part of the road traffic act does not apply to them. They may be present but they cannot do they test. It's mainly traffic corps who will carry out the test.

DjKlubster

Bosco boy wrote: »

Reserve members are not trained to use the equipment and will not be trained to use it, they are confined to very limited powers and this part of the road traffic act does not apply to them. They may be present but they cannot do they test. It's mainly traffic corps who will carry out the test.

You a Gaurd??

Bosco boy

A garda wound'nt ask you that!

DjKlubster

Bosco boy wrote: »

A garda wound'nt ask you that!

What??lol

diarmo111

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

After that you lodged a complaint to the ombudsman so it wouldn't happen to you again. Or advise your soliciter to write a letter outlining the issue.

If your 100pc legal there are ways and means of dealing with this. It may cost you a day out of work but it will finish it very quick.

I didnt lodge a complaint Jimmy it just didnt happen again. I have changed car now and im driving hasle free so far

Signpost

draffodx wrote: »

If you dont act like a tool in a car you wont get any hassle off the gardai.

I am living proof that this doesn't stand firm. I've a completely clean license, never had penalty points, driving convictions etc etc. Don't really ever drink so I can have the use of my car on nights out. Always have my car taxed, insured & NCT'd. Car washed prob 3 times weekly and no money spared in doing anything to the car. Yet, I'm stopped by local enough guards maybe 1 / 2 times per week, have been bagged over 100 times (yes I do keep a record and have been bagged 3 times in 20 minutes previously by different cops), have had my car searched, get my tyres checked (even though I change them at about 75% mark).
Before you say its the car, its an Audi A4 which I lowered, put a kit and highflow exhaust on and that was that. No tinted windows, no neon lights etc. Considering I spent in the region of 1300 on my eventual coil overs alone so that I would have better handling (camber adjustement) you can well imagine the car is not rallied / abused even though I do enjoy watching others at it. Now why am I harrased by cops for having a hobby in my car? Sometimes you would think being a crack addict would be less hassle as they do nothing to deter people in these "hobbies"!

& before its asked I have no criminal convictions or reason for the cops to be hounding me for other reasons.

Bosco boy

Maybe it could be your attitude when your stopped!

Signpost

"license" -> Here you go
"where are you coming from" -> home
"where are you going to" -> gf's gaf / shop / garage / just going for a spin
Countless bullsh!t later -> alright so, go on away

Have actually even started making enquires about making a complaint against one guard for HIS attitute when he stops me as he is completely out of line.

Atomic Pineapple

You make no mention of how you drive, whether you drive up and down towns late at night constantly and you say you enjoy watching others acting the tit so I presume your in with a crowd that conform to the stereotype that real enthusiasts get tarred with and hence make yourself a target.

Bosco boy

Signpost wrote: »

"license" -> Here you go
"where are you coming from" -> home
"where are you going to" -> gf's gaf / shop / garage / just going for a spin
Countless bullsh!t later -> alright so, go on away

Have actually even started making enquires about making a complaint against one guard for HIS attitute when he stops me as he is completely out of line.

He has numbers on his shoulders, make the complaint and get on with it!

Signpost

Car is never driven erraticaly etc and as for "real enthusiast" you prob wont find much more of one that me. I spend pretty much all my wages in some way doing something to one of my cars and after breaking my balls to do so I ensure not to wreck it by stupid behaviour etc so I fail to see why this makes me a target? I probably spend more time on my cars than on all other things in my life combined so don't go making assumptions on things you don't know!
Yes I drive around towns late at night occasionally, much in the same manner as drunks roar, shout and litter around them EVERY weekend, but I do so quitely and non obstructively which I fail to have seen in the law books as illegal??
Yes I enjoy watching people performing advanced driving techniques, who says its acting the tit? You ever attended pro-drift etc?
I defend car enthusiasts EVERY day over people who cant distuinguish yet because the cops can't tell the difference between an enthusiast and a "boyracer" in a POS I get hounded? As a car enthausist do you not feel car drivers are segrated in a disgraceful manner over say drug addicts / brawlers / drunks? IMO they will always hit the easy target who has nothing wrong

JimmyCrackCorn

Signpost wrote: »

-- Quote go bye---

Follow the procedure on the Garda Ombudsman
http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/gsoc-garda-ombudsman-complaints.htm

Solicitors are also good. Though your attitude is not so good.

Signpost

Just for the record, generalising like I did was uncalled for, removed my derogatory language above and sorry if I offended anyone by using it.

Atomic Pineapple

Prodrift and other organised events are different, I thought you meant on public roads.

Signpost

On a slightly different topic to this thread but are people not doing them on public roads because there is no where else to do this kind of driving in Ireland? There is 5 rounds of prodrift per year and a few other charity events etc? I have on countless occasions seen a few lads in isolated empty car parks being cleared from them onto the main roads by guards "making their presence felt". I will be the first to shout out that if there is a danger to people / property / unknowning passersby etc that it should immediately be stopped and the proper action taken but as an example emptying the blackbox car park in galway for the Internation Rally was just inviting a more serious accident happening

TestTransmission

We need pics of this a4

Signpost

Pre new suspension but the same otherwise. (And I actually rose it with the new suspension...!)

dougie-lampkin

draffodx wrote: »

Doubting what? One of the lads on here had his car tested and the machine told the Garda when he was at the correct amount of revs.

Where can I have a read of this manual?

Out of curiosity, what way does the machine read the revs? My rev counter is reading incorrectly at the moment, and my car has no OBD ports to plug into (no injection, no ECU, etc.). Unless the Garda in question happens to be into BL A series engines and can identify the negative pole on my coil, how can he connect the machine to read my revs?

Hopefully a TC member on here can shed some light on how the test is carried out, as I've yet to see one done or even know somebody who's seen it done. I assume it's like the NCT one (Page 84), but 99dB at idle seems a bit mad, a pneumatic jackhammer going flat out is supposedly 99dB at one meter away :eek:

Signpost

Ha this is actually a funny comparison guide...

Bosco boy

Thanks for the private message signpost but I'd rather debate on open forum as long as it's civil. I am a Garda and I know I'm jumping into a forum where most of these topics have already been debated. I just want to give the Garda perspective from dealing with people at checkpoints or other traffic stops.

1. Attitude is vital, be polite, if you happen to have some small issues this will generally earn you a caution, if you have a poor attitude it can work the other way

2. Gardai at checkpoints won't know how often you have been stopped previously or what occurred when you were, they may have some info but not all, so don't be paronoid

3. I get stopped at checkpoints too and if all is in order, give it to them and you have no worrys

4. If you have a passenger with a big mouth in the car get rid of them, i've often seen passengers get drivers into deep crap from abusing the Garda

5. Gardai don't always know the difference between boyracers and car enthusiasts and for the record boy races will claim to be the latter as well when stopped by gardai

in a nut shell have a decent attitude and you'll be fine!

projectgtr

I didnt and wouldnt watch it TBH, its just regurgitated crap that pops up every few months by the media and government who are affraid to actually thake the bull by the horns and actually do something about it by embracing the "scene" and working with it like most other competant countries.

Bosco boy wrote: »

Thanks for the private message signpost but I'd rather debate on open forum as long as it's civil. I am a Garda and I know I'm jumping into a forum where most of these topics have already been debated. I just want to give the Garda perspective from dealing with people at checkpoints or other traffic stops.

1. Attitude is vital, be polite, if you happen to have some small issues this will generally earn you a caution, if you have a poor attitude it can work the other way

2. Gardai at checkpoints won't know how often you have been stopped previously or what occurred when you were, they may have some info but not all, so don't be paronoid

3. I get stopped at checkpoints too and if all is in order, give it to them and you have no worrys

4. If you have a passenger with a big mouth in the car get rid of them, i've often seen passengers get drivers into deep crap from abusing the Garda

5. Gardai don't always know the difference between boyracers and car enthusiasts and for the record boy races will claim to be the latter as well when stopped by gardai

in a nut shell have a decent attitude and you'll be fine!

Great to hear a Gards point of view on this Bosco, i know a fair few Gards that are into their cars and bikes as much as most lads on here, anyway on what you said.......

Thats my experience of things too tbh, i drive what aesthetically would be considered a boy racers car, a twin wing civic with a fairly loud exhaust (still within legal limits) and i have had no issues with the Gardai being stopped or at checkpoints, afull windo and attitude are crucial.

Now i will say there are allways bad apples (goes without saying in all professions) , thats where its good to know your rights and have a decent understanding of the law or in certain peoples cases for peace of mind incar video or audio

Signpost are you the first owner of the car? A friend of mine had issues with his car being constantly pulled, turns out it was flagged on pulse from the previous owner, could be worth a look. He has had no trouble since getting it sorted.

Signpost

No prob discussing it here, didnt know if I would be overstepping a boundary.

1. Attitude is vital, be polite, if you happen to have some small issues this will generally earn you a caution, if you have a poor attitude it can work the other way
I always (even with your man who hounds me) treat them with respect. I never once have got a caution as I've never had anything to be cautioned about.

2. Gardai at checkpoints won't know how often you have been stopped previously or what occurred when you were, they may have some info but not all, so don't be paronoid
Can you explain why x numbers of cars before / after me get waved through yet they always pick out the same cars for their checkpoint? I personally thinks its total hypocrisy on certain guards behalf the people they stop. It is always the young lad who gets bagged yet its always the older lad will chance the "one" (only my opinion, no facts findings or other to back this up!). & just while I have the chance I do appreciate checkpoints and I certainly dont envy ANYONE standing around in rain, hail, shine for prolonged periods of time doing a very repetitive task but I do think that random selection needs to be more random in Ireland. Just from your personal experience watching other guards on duty with you, do you think that 75 year old frail Mary down the road or 24 year old male Signpost is more likely to be "randomly selected" for being brethalised, quizzed on nothings etc?

3. I get stopped at checkpoints too and if all is in order, give it to them and you have no worrys
I never do worry as I dont need to. (General question which I dont care if you answer or not, when asked your name does it follow immediately after badge number [perk of the job so meh!])

4. If you have a passenger with a big mouth in the car get rid of them, i've often seen passengers get drivers into deep crap from abusing the Garda
I carry the gf who is like a mouse and a few very select friends. I dont think I've ever carried anyone in the back of my car. I know who I have with me for obvious reasons as you said above.

5. Gardai don't always know the difference between boyracers and car enthusiasts and for the record boy races will claim to be the latter as well when stopped by gardai
As you are on the "modified cars" section, do you personally know the difference and use some common sense around who you stop? I've no idea of your rank nor do I care tbh as its only a job but do Sgts, Supers etc issue instructions on which type cars to pull in and do you think there needs to be more of a knowledge base available to cops on what they are actually looking for over what they perceive to be seeing?

Again, fair play you will say straight out you are a cop and lay it out as you see it but can you appreciate the side of the genuine car enthausist who doesn't do anything to risk damaging his car yet gets constantly harrased over it? As I said I have no problem with checkpoint but I'd love to know do you think that such segregatin over a few mm of a suspension change etc is justified?

Signpost

projectgtr wrote: »

Signpost are you the first owner of the car? A friend of mine had issues with his car being constantly pulled, turns out it was flagged on pulse from the previous owner, could be worth a look. He has had no trouble since getting it sorted.

First Irish owner, second owner in all. The problem is that the guards are trying to make a big presence felt (which I appreciate) in the community at the minute and this one guard has his heart set on getting everyone driving 1l fiesta's by the looks of it. I have a buddy who is a guard thou so might be worth getting him to check out pulse and just make sure!

Graham_B18C

I've only been pulled over once for no reason other than what I drive, the guards were pretty young and seemed to be just looking for something to give out to me over. That was the only (very minor) unpleasent run in I've had. Been pulled over for speeding once too and the guard couldn't of been nicer (still got done but he was sound about it!). Any of my friends that have cars similar to mine never have any trouble either.

I couldn't agree more with Bosco Boy, attitude is what gets "boy racers" into trouble. Thanks for your input

-Chris-

Signpost wrote: »

I have on countless occasions seen a few lads in isolated empty car parks being cleared from them onto the main roads by guards "making their presence felt".

Just to mention - these carparks do actually belong to someone.

You might be in an empty carpark at night outside Woodies or the Black Box or wherever, but there's nothing to say the manager/owner of the premises didn't drive past and see lads "messing around" outside his premises and give the Gardai an earful.

DjKlubster

Bosco boy wrote: »

I am a Garda and I know I'm jumping into a forum where most of these topics have already been debated.

Just like to say i wasnt trying to be a smart ass when i asked were you a gaurd..

The reason i was asking was that you might be able to tell us what the official way ye have to do the exhaust test is??

And let say you had a loud exhaust on your car and garda stopped you and you were being polite would they let you off?